Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Aug 5, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: O Tom! Tell us another one! Tell us about the time where Goldilocks, One more example of contemptuous IT's attitude toward the people who really get the work done. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
The MO of Windows IT is typically to run a highly centralized operation. That is how they define efficiency. Another statement stuffed with ignorance. By all means, stay decentralized, if your time is worth nothing. You and your zero value time can have fun visiting every computer individually to configure, administer and maintain it. At least now we have solved the mystery of the cubicle burglar at Tom's clients' offices. You may want to explain to your staff at some point why all of your office supplies are so mismatched and have other companies names on the pens. I know how to centralize and stay in contact with my user base. Clearly you have not learned that lesson yet. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
One more example of contemptuous IT's attitude toward the people who really get the work done. So, when you rescued the beautiful princess from the evil dragon, how did you bill her? Flat rate or time and materials? That asbestos underwear can't be cheap. I'm sure she has a block hour agreement now, in case of poison apples and cursed spinning wheels. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: So, when you rescued the beautiful princess from the evil dragon, how did you bill her? Flat rate or time and materials? That asbestos underwear can't be cheap. I'm sure she has a block hour agreement now, in case of poison apples and cursed spinning wheels. Say, are you at work right now? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
Multitasking man, mutlitasking. Say, are you at work right now? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Say, are you at work right now? M$ pays him to harass us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: By all means, stay decentralized, if your time is worth nothing. You and your zero value time can have fun visiting every computer individually to configure, administer and maintain it. As I wrote previously: what's good for IT vs. what's good for the workers and the organization. The cops call it community policing. The military figured out the same thing in Iraq and now Afghanistan. It works for the same reasons. You can't manage effectively from 50,000 feet in the air. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
Silly me, and here I thought all the FCC did was to harass George Carlin and Gilda Radner (both dead) which albeit makes them completely useless now; thank goodness for TJP...now they have something to do!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep] On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Say, are you at work right now? M$ pays him to harass us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
As I wrote previously: what's good for IT vs. what's good for the workers and the organization. What is good for the business is what is good for IT. Full stop. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
M$ pays him to harass us. Nah. I do that for free. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
Hehee... m$ pays Tom to harass them ...makes it seem like a level playing field !! -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright [mailto:jswri...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep] M$ pays him to harass us. Nah. I do that for free. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money already invested in Windows apps. Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new platform. Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us have budgets and limited resources. We have to live within our means. We can run Windows on our Macs. We can run Windows programs without Windows. We can run Mac OS X on our Macs. We can run Linux on our Macs. Buy one, get two/three free. Macs have longer useful life than PCs. Buy one, get three/four free. Living within our means includes planning ahead and getting the most useful and long-lived computer. A PC that costs $700 is more expensive than a Mac that costs $1200 due to installed hardware/software, versatility and longevity of the Macs. Plan ahead. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
How do you run windows programs without window on a mac? That asked, I have the opposite experience with pc's, they continue to run with no issues. Cheap hardware is cheap hardware, just because you can buy a cheap pc doesn't mean you should. Sent from my iPod On Aug 5, 2009, at 4:23 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money already invested in Windows apps. Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new platform. Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us have budgets and limited resources. We have to live within our means. We can run Windows on our Macs. We can run Windows programs without Windows. We can run Mac OS X on our Macs. We can run Linux on our Macs. Buy one, get two/three free. Macs have longer useful life than PCs. Buy one, get three/four free. Living within our means includes planning ahead and getting the most useful and long-lived computer. A PC that costs $700 is more expensive than a Mac that costs $1200 due to installed hardware/ software, versatility and longevity of the Macs. Plan ahead. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
We can run Windows on our Macs. We can run Windows programs without Windows. We can run Mac OS X on our Macs. We can run Linux on our Macs. Buy one, get two/three free. Macs have longer useful life than PCs. Buy one, get three/four free. If I buy or build a PC, I only have to buy one OS license, not 2. I can run Linux on my PC as well (Ubuntu via Wubi) and I have no need for OS X, not that Apple allows it to be virtualized to begin with. Living within our means includes planning ahead and getting the most useful and long-lived computer. A PC that costs $700 is more expensive than a Mac that costs $1200 due to installed hardware/software, versatility and longevity of the Macs. A PC. There is no such thing. You Mac people need to get your heads around the monolith. There are dozens of brands and probably hundreds of models all of varying degrees of price and quality. Your statement has no validity in that regard. You might as well substitute Chevys and Fords. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Mike wrote: How do you run windows programs without window on a mac? WINE * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Mike wrote: That asked, I have the opposite experience with pc's, they continue to run with no issues. A lot of it depends on how you define the word run. The MO of Windows IT is typically to run a highly centralized operation. That is how they define efficiency. Every time a PC is started software, patches, settings, policies, etc. download and the user has to go get a cup of coffee or maybe two. They use the Policy Editor to play god. IT rarely touches actual user computers and hasn't a clue about the daily problems users face. For example, I have seen departments where only one computer was able to print and people had to line up there. Since IT was never around they didn't have a clue that there were problems. IT thinks everything runs. Even working with Macs, it is not uncommon for me to go on site to deal with a single, small problem and then spend the whole day fixing problems that IT never knew about. People track me down or when I go back to where I left my bag I will find a bunch of notes waiting for me. Sometimes IT gets annoyed. They ask: Why don't they talk to us? I've asked users the same question. They tell me: You get things fixed. IT doesn't. They don't know what we do. IT is out of touch. So IT thinks everything is running fine, but that is because they are out of touch. Users hate their guts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
The MO of Windows IT is typically to run a highly centralized operation. That is how they define efficiency. Every time a PC is started software, patches, settings, policies, etc. download and the user has to go get a cup of coffee or maybe two. They use the Policy Editor to play god. IT rarely touches actual user computers and hasn't a clue about the daily problems users face. For example, I have seen departments where only one computer was able to print and people had to line up there. Since IT was never around they didn't have a clue that there were problems. IT thinks everything runs. O Tom! Tell us another one! Tell us about the time where Goldilocks, carrying her $300 netbook, poisons the bears' porridge and the other one where the Gepetto chops up his wooden puppet for firewood on a cold Winter's night in Redmond. Your stories are always the best! A, you're only going to tell the one about the brave and handsome consultant who slays the evil dragon again, aren't you? That's all you ever tell us anymore. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Living within our means includes planning ahead and getting the most useful and long-lived computer. A PC that costs $700 is more expensive than a Mac that costs $1200 due to installed hardware/software, versatility and longevity of the Macs. It is quite rare to see a Mac user give up that platform in favor of Windows when we are talking about personal use of a computer. It is much more likely that a Windows user will move to Macintosh. The only folks who might tend to disagree with this are also likely to be birthers. They tend to disagree with anything that is different from what they have gotten used to. Yes, those Windows users can use their software investment on newer Macintosh machines, so that old line is out the window (oops, no pun intended.) So we are either strictly down to initial financial outlay, or as I have said before, comfort levels. Macs just don't look like computers are supposed to look. They look weird. They mostly look like they are made of metal. Aren't computers supposed to be made of plastic? Aren't desktop computers supposed to have boxy towers in a putty gray? What tha...?? Comfort levels. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
