Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
You brought it up. Don't if you don't want it discussed. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:13 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 10:43 AM, mike wrote: The last few contests when linux, os x and windows were all on a level playing field, linux was the only one that took any 'work' to get compromised. What does this have to do with ACID? You just want us to avert our eyes from another M$ miserable failure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
Agree about the topic hijacking. Start a new thread people; it's as easy as changing the subject line. The problem with this ACID test is that it wasn't designed by the people that authored the #1 internet browser. If those people wrote the test, their browser would pass it with flying colors, and the others would probably fail. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: What does this have to do with ACID? You just want us to avert our eyes from another M$ miserable failure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
I was mistaken when I called you catatonic, Mike. You are a moron. The Acid Test has absolutely nothing to do with security. You have lost all association with logic. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why do you do this? READ the thread. Tom brought up security. You guys are like broken records, challenge a belief and you can't defend it you start this shit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
No, that misses the point. That only allows the guilty to bury the evidence. The Acid test is only worth paying attention to because it is written a standards organization http://acid3.acidtests.org/, not by the authors of the software to be tested. The tests then measure standards defined by the organization. The vendors are often members of the standards organization and vote on standards. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The problem with this ACID test is that it wasn't designed by the people that authored the #1 internet browser. If those people wrote the test, their browser would pass it with flying colors, and the others would probably fail. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
You are brilliant. Instead of double checking what I said, you call me names. In full is Tom's previous post in which you will notice if you are able to read, about MS and security. I have put it in bold and italics and added color to the important words, have someone read it to you noticing emphasis on the colored words. You do actually need to READ this however to understand it. I don't expect you to elevate any conversation with your single mindedness, but can you at least not lower it. * It will be interesting to see what if any effect this has on hacker activity in the country. Defenders of Microsoft’s security record have previously argued that viruses could be targeted at Internet Explorer as much because it offers the largest pool of potential victims as because of inherent flaws in the browser itself. That explanation has now – albeit on a very small and symbolic scale – lost a little of its credibility in Germany at least.* On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: I was mistaken when I called you catatonic, Mike. You are a moron. The Acid Test has absolutely nothing to do with security. You have lost all association with logic. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why do you do this? READ the thread. Tom brought up security. You guys are like broken records, challenge a belief and you can't defend it you start this shit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
Did you just say tom is droppin' acid (again)? -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly Why do you do this? READ the thread. Tom brought up security. You guys are like broken records, challenge a belief and you can't defend it you start this shit. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Mike, please wake up; you seem to be catatonic. The subject is Acid Test. It is not browser security. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You brought it up. Don't if you don't want it discussed. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:13 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: What does this have to do with ACID? You just want us to avert our eyes from another M$ miserable failure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
-Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:14 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly I was mistaken when I called you catatonic, Mike. You are a moron. The Acid Test has absolutely nothing to do with security. You have lost all association with logic. This is totally uncalled for. It was Tom who brought up security. Mike simply responded. You owe Mike a very, very sincere apology. I take it that you will not be revising your post to call Tom a moron. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: This is totally uncalled for. It was Tom who brought up security. Mike simply responded. Sigh, here we go again. I extracted an interesting quote from a link posted by Mike. Mike's link had nothing to do with ACID. I guess I should have immediately called Mike on his changing of the subject without changing the subject line. Sorry. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
I should have never held that gun your head when you posted that excerpt..hey waitasecond...I never held a gun to your head! Maybe you should have posted an excerpt about IE loss of market share which could be tied to it's non standards compliance? I dunno, just a thought. The security thing never crossed my mind as important, it was about IE's loss of market share. My mistake is I expected some kind of integrity from you. Foiled again! On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:30 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: This is totally uncalled for. It was Tom who brought up security. Mike simply responded. Sigh, here we go again. I extracted an interesting quote from a link posted by Mike. Mike's link had nothing to do with ACID. I guess I should have immediately called Mike on his changing of the subject without changing the subject line. Sorry. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/02/AR2009120203569.html But even today, they still don't play that nicely. As you can see in this video about IE9 http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/IE-9-Standards-and-Interoperability/ , they are still nowhere near passing the Acid3 browser test. Safari, Opera, and Chrome have all now achieved 100/100 scores on the test. Firefox has gotten a 96/100. IE? Well IE8 (the current version) gets a 20/100. And IE9, which isn't out yet, only gets a 32/100. You can try to argue (which Microsoft does) that much of the test is meaningless to everyday browsing, but the fact remains that all its major competitors are able to pass it or are on the verge of passing it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
http://vista.blorge.com/2009/12/02/firefox-overtakes-internet-explorer-in-germany/ On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:45 PM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/02/AR2009120203569.html But even today, they still don't play that nicely. As you can see in this video about IE9 http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/IE-9-Standards-and-Interoperability/, they are still nowhere near passing the Acid3 browser test. Safari, Opera, and Chrome have all now achieved 100/100 scores on the test. Firefox has gotten a 96/100. IE? Well IE8 (the current version) gets a 20/100. And IE9, which isn't out yet, only gets a 32/100. You can try to argue (which Microsoft does) that much of the test is meaningless to everyday browsing, but the fact remains that all its major competitors are able to pass it or are on the verge of passing it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:02 PM, mike wrote: http://vista.blorge.com/2009/12/02/firefox-overtakes-internet-explorer-in-germany/ It will be interesting to see what if any effect this has on hacker activity in the country. Defenders of Microsoft’s security record have previously argued that viruses could be targeted at Internet Explorer as much because it offers the largest pool of potential victims as because of inherent flaws in the browser itself. That explanation has now – albeit on a very small and symbolic scale – lost a little of its credibility in Germany at least. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
