Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
(Damn it, I didn't fix the subject: tag again. Sorry.) I will grant that you can argue this both ways. The way I remember it, version 5.0 was never more than a developer preview, 5.2 was the first true OS X version, and there were big differences in the rendering engine between versions. IE for mac was named the way it was because MS didn't want mac version numbers to get ahead of the windows numbering and appear to be more advanced as a result. On Jul 30, 2009, at 12:00 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: And you're using a .x version as a scale? That's almost honest. Version 5 for OS X was released in 2000. Support ended in 2005, 2 years after development ended, which was the result of a 1997 agreement between Apple and MS. Apple replaced IE with Safari. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
Bottom like is that OS X is extremely hard to hack and these are still no viruses in the wild that attack Macs. Meanwhile there have been 10,000s that have attacked Windows. The latest (June) WildList (http://www.wildlist.org/WildList) shows 753 viruses currently circulating in the wild that attack Windows. That's the truth. Sure. And this is a fairly ignorant stance to take for an IT professional. I suppose when your only tool is a hammer Anyone who reads industry rags should be well aware that the most common vector for attacks to take place today is via 3rd party application exploits. The most exploitable flaws today are not from Windows, but from Adobe Reader, Flash, QuickTime, Java and browsers, to name a few. These are usually the last thing to be patched on any system, which makes them especially yummy for hackers. I've noticed that Apple has stopped updating software on 10.3 systems. QuickTime, Safari and iTunes are way out of patch on some of my Macs and Software Update shows nothing amiss. Odd for a company to abandon a product after only 4 or 5 years. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 29, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: I've noticed that Apple has stopped updating software on 10.3 systems. QuickTime, Safari and iTunes are way out of patch on some of my Macs and Software Update shows nothing amiss. Odd for a company to abandon a product after only 4 or 5 years. Give us a break! The only reason that M$ is still supporting 5 year old operating systems is that they have made such a mess with their upgrades. This makes being terribly backward the new normal. It ain't. Apple supports the current and previous versions of the OS. They price their OS upgrades very reasonably and they have a quality product (not Vista). It is easy for their customers to keep up and they get lots of value with each upgrade. It makes little sense to support X.3. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
Apple supports the current and previous versions of the OS. They price their OS upgrades very reasonably and they have a quality product (not Vista). It is easy for their customers to keep up and they get lots of value with each upgrade. It makes little sense to support X.3. I should add that the Microsoft Office updater on the same Macs is having no trouble finding and installing updates to Office 2004, which is roughly the same age as 10.3. I'm sure they're only doing it to make Apple look bad. Apple rules and MS drools. Everyone knows that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't they sell those on late night cable tv? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Never mind, I get it, it's just the patented Piwowar Hypocrisy Pump in action again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
Now you know what killed Billy Mays. Don't they sell those on late night cable tv? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Never mind, I get it, it's just the patented Piwowar Hypocrisy Pump in action again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:48 AM, TPiwowar wrote: Apple supports the current and previous versions of the OS. They price their OS upgrades very reasonably and they have a quality product (not Vista). It is easy for their customers to keep up and they get lots of value with each upgrade. It makes little sense to support X.3. I kept using Panther until the bitter end, so to speak. That end came as developers pretty much stopped writing Panther code for their apps, and moved on to Tiger and beyond. Panther has issues that were resolved, and more, in Tiger. I still keep Tiger on one machine because it is just a bit slow for Leopard at 1.25 GHz. Tiger works very well on any machine. Panther? That's another story. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
Exactly. He found the exploit and wrote it in a couple hours...took over the mac in about as much time as it takes to go to a web page. Same way most windows machines are taken over. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: But is that not what most hackers do? They examine and look at the OS they want to hack and then through trial and error find the way to do it. Stewart At 07:23 PM 7/22/2009, you wrote: He didn't hack a Mac in 30 seconds. He ran a prepared script. Big difference. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
Mike, can you defend this couple of hours with reference? I recall reading that he spent several days or a few weeks finding the vulnerability and writing the exploit script before the Pwn2own competition (I searched, but found no reference to offer). Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Exactly. He found the exploit and wrote it in a couple hours...took over the mac in about as much time as it takes to go to a web page. Same way most windows machines are taken over. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, mike wrote: Exactly. He found the exploit and wrote it in a couple hours...took over the mac in about as much time as it takes to go to a web page. Same way most windows machines are taken over. So now 30 seconds morphs into a couple hours. If I took the trouble to push you on the facts that would eventually morph to a couple of months or probably longer. So what you wrote is a crock and you won't admit it. You are just spreading misinformation. Bottom like is that OS X is extremely hard to hack and these are still no viruses in the wild that attack Macs. Meanwhile there have been 10,000s that have attacked Windows. The latest (June) WildList (http://www.wildlist.org/WildList) shows 753 viruses currently circulating in the wild that attack Windows. That's the truth. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 22, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: But is that not what most hackers do? In 30 seconds? Not even Windows is that easy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom you either did not read what I wrote, or misunderstood. They all do their homework. That is what makes these dudes/dudettes so dangerous. They find the exploits and write the code for them. And given time I am sure they wills tart working on hacking Mac's more often and finding the exploits. If you were not so fun to exploit would we take the time to do it? :-) Stewart At 10:43 AM 7/23/2009, you wrote: On Jul 22, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: But is that not what most hackers do? In 30 seconds? Not even Windows is that easy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
Tom didn't misunderstand, he just refuses reality. His apple fan bois-ism is too meaningful to him. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Tom you either did not read what I wrote, or misunderstood. They all do their homework. That is what makes these dudes/dudettes so dangerous. They find the exploits and write the code for them. And given time I am sure they wills tart working on hacking Mac's more often and finding the exploits. If you were not so fun to exploit would we take the time to do it? :-) Stewart At 10:43 AM 7/23/2009, you wrote: On Jul 22, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: But is that not what most hackers do? In 30 seconds? Not even Windows is that easy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
Sure. http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11461 Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a relevant few paragraphs. I love at the end where he practically talks to Tom. In all he found the flaw friday morning, wrote the exploit in a couple hours and then the exploit took seconds to take down the mac. *At about 10 p.m., the New York City-based security expert sat down and started looking in likely places for a serious bug that could satisfy the challenge. Several months ago, he had done some poking around the Mac OS X's operating system and applications looking for vulnerabilities and found a few promising places in the software that could hide flaws, Dai Zovi said. Checking the suspect code early Friday morning, Dai Zovi discovered a single flaw.* * I only found one, he said. But by later that morning, I had a working exploit.* * Despite their success, Dai Zovi and Macaulay are not maintaining that the Mac OS X is any more or less secure than, say, a Windows Vista system or some variant of Unix. While Macaulay uses a MacBook installed with Windows Vista, Dai Zovi considers himself a Mac fanboy and uses Macs regularly. The contest just shows that Mac users have to worry about vulnerabilities just as much as other computer users, Dai Zovi said. It's a fact of life with which all security experts are familiar, but to which some Mac users seem resistant.* * It works. It is real. This is not something that I have made up, Dai Zovi said. It seems that a lot of people harbor the belief that the Mac doesn't have these problems, but it does.* On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Mike, can you defend this couple of hours with reference? I recall reading that he spent several days or a few weeks finding the vulnerability and writing the exploit script before the Pwn2own competition (I searched, but found no reference to offer). Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Exactly. He found the exploit and wrote it in a couple hours...took over the mac in about as much time as it takes to go to a web page. Same way most windows machines are taken over. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
I see where you get that from, but for me, the fact that this all occurs over months (Several months ago, he had done some poking around the Mac OS X's operating system and applications looking for vulnerabilities and found a few promising places) leaves me with a different sense of timing. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Sure. http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11461 Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a relevant few paragraphs. I love at the end where he practically talks to Tom. In all he found the flaw friday morning, wrote the exploit in a couple hours and then the exploit took seconds to take down the mac. *At about 10 p.m., the New York City-based security expert sat down and started looking in likely places for a serious bug that could satisfy the challenge. Several months ago, he had done some poking around the Mac OS X's operating system and applications looking for vulnerabilities and found a few promising places in the software that could hide flaws, Dai Zovi said. Checking the suspect code early Friday morning, Dai Zovi discovered a single flaw.* * I only found one, he said. But by later that morning, I had a working exploit.* * Despite their success, Dai Zovi and Macaulay are not maintaining that the Mac OS X is any more or less secure than, say, a Windows Vista system or some variant of Unix. While Macaulay uses a MacBook installed with Windows Vista, Dai Zovi considers himself a Mac fanboy and uses Macs regularly. The contest just shows that Mac users have to worry about vulnerabilities just as much as other computer users, Dai Zovi said. It's a fact of life with which all security experts are familiar, but to which some Mac users seem resistant.* * It works. It is real. This is not something that I have made up, Dai Zovi said. It seems that a lot of people harbor the belief that the Mac doesn't have these problems, but it does.* On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Mike, can you defend this couple of hours with reference? I recall reading that he spent several days or a few weeks finding the vulnerability and writing the exploit script before the Pwn2own competition (I searched, but found no reference to offer). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
This is no different than what the hackers do with WinOS. You think they find the exploits over night? It takes some skill and work to do it. Now before you blast me let me say this. All OS's are exploitable. Some make it easier than others so they gravitate to this, Plus remember with Windoze at 90+% of all computers being used they will hack and crack at Windows all day long as it gives them the best returns. I am not defending the programmers as I am sure they could make it harder. Stewart At 12:41 PM 7/23/2009, you wrote: I see where you get that from, but for me, the fact that this all occurs over months (Several months ago, he had done some poking around the Mac OS X's operating system and applications looking for vulnerabilities and found a few promising places) leaves me with a different sense of timing. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Sure. http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11461 Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a relevant few paragraphs. I love at the end where he practically talks to Tom. In all he found the flaw friday morning, wrote the exploit in a couple hours and then the exploit took seconds to take down the mac. *At about 10 p.m., the New York City-based security expert sat down and started looking in likely places for a serious bug that could satisfy the challenge. Several months ago, he had done some poking around the Mac OS X's operating system and applications looking for vulnerabilities and found a few promising places in the software that could hide flaws, Dai Zovi said. Checking the suspect code early Friday morning, Dai Zovi discovered a single flaw.* * I only found one, he said. But by later that morning, I had a working exploit.* * Despite their success, Dai Zovi and Macaulay are not maintaining that the Mac OS X is any more or less secure than, say, a Windows Vista system or some variant of Unix. While Macaulay uses a MacBook installed with Windows Vista, Dai Zovi considers himself a Mac fanboy and uses Macs regularly. The contest just shows that Mac users have to worry about vulnerabilities just as much as other computer users, Dai Zovi said. It's a fact of life with which all security experts are familiar, but to which some Mac users seem resistant.* * It works. It is real. This is not something that I have made up, Dai Zovi said. It seems that a lot of people harbor the belief that the Mac doesn't have these problems, but it does.* On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Mike, can you defend this couple of hours with reference? I recall reading that he spent several days or a few weeks finding the vulnerability and writing the exploit script before the Pwn2own competition (I searched, but found no reference to offer). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
I don't know, I took him at his word. He looked at OS X as a whole and found some questionable places...friday he went looking again and actually found the exploit (he had not found this before this) and within a couple hours wrote an exploit. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: I see where you get that from, but for me, the fact that this all occurs over months (Several months ago, he had done some poking around the Mac OS X's operating system and applications looking for vulnerabilities and found a few promising places) leaves me with a different sense of timing. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Sure. http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11461 Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a relevant few paragraphs. I love at the end where he practically talks to Tom. In all he found the flaw friday morning, wrote the exploit in a couple hours and then the exploit took seconds to take down the mac. *At about 10 p.m., the New York City-based security expert sat down and started looking in likely places for a serious bug that could satisfy the challenge. Several months ago, he had done some poking around the Mac OS X's operating system and applications looking for vulnerabilities and found a few promising places in the software that could hide flaws, Dai Zovi said. Checking the suspect code early Friday morning, Dai Zovi discovered a single flaw.* * I only found one, he said. But by later that morning, I had a working exploit.* * Despite their success, Dai Zovi and Macaulay are not maintaining that the Mac OS X is any more or less secure than, say, a Windows Vista system or some variant of Unix. While Macaulay uses a MacBook installed with Windows Vista, Dai Zovi considers himself a Mac fanboy and uses Macs regularly. The contest just shows that Mac users have to worry about vulnerabilities just as much as other computer users, Dai Zovi said. It's a fact of life with which all security experts are familiar, but to which some Mac users seem resistant.* * It works. It is real. This is not something that I have made up, Dai Zovi said. It seems that a lot of people harbor the belief that the Mac doesn't have these problems, but it does.* On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Mike, can you defend this couple of hours with reference? I recall reading that he spent several days or a few weeks finding the vulnerability and writing the exploit script before the Pwn2own competition (I searched, but found no reference to offer). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
No blast, Rev; that was part of my point. Finding vulnerabilities and creating exploits takes time and thought. Irrespective of which OS you plan to attack. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- This is no different than what the hackers do with WinOS. You think they find the exploits over night? It takes some skill and work to do it. Now before you blast me let me say this. All OS's are exploitable. Some make it easier than others so they gravitate to this, Plus remember with Windoze at 90+% of all computers being used they will hack and crack at Windows all day long as it gives them the best returns. I am not defending the programmers as I am sure they could make it harder. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Okay: I go to the library and study for an undisclosed amount of time, bring the results of my research home, and after several weeks or a few months, I organize my notes and write a brief report from my notes in 15 minutes. I would not then say that I just spent 15 minutes writing that report. Unless I was trying to boast, maybe (and didn't care that I was being less than honest doing so). Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't know, I took him at his word. He looked at OS X as a whole and found some questionable places...friday he went looking again and actually found the exploit (he had not found this before this) and within a couple hours wrote an exploit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 23, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: You think they find the exploits over night? It takes some skill and work to do it. As I recall, I love you virus was written by somebody taking a beginners VBS programming class, infecting 10 percent of all computers connected to the Internet and causing about $5.5 billion in damage on its first day of spread. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILOVEYOU * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 23, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: And given time I am sure they wills tart working on hacking Mac's more often and finding the exploits. Given time the Sun will supernova? So what -- I won't be here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 23, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote: Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a relevant few paragraphs. I love at the end where he practically talks to Tom. In all he found the flaw friday morning, wrote the exploit in a couple hours and then the exploit took seconds to take down the mac. Can somebody whose full-time job is looking for exploitable flaws find any? Of course they can. Does it matter? Nope. What matters is viruses in the wind. Are there any for Mac OS X? Nope. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Too true, mac os is safe regardless of it's less then stellar security, but in the end, safe. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote: Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a relevant few paragraphs. I love at the end where he practically talks to Tom. In all he found the flaw friday morning, wrote the exploit in a couple hours and then the exploit took seconds to take down the mac. Can somebody whose full-time job is looking for exploitable flaws find any? Of course they can. Does it matter? Nope. What matters is viruses in the wind. Are there any for Mac OS X? Nope. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No just regular logic without your weird outlook. Less than stellar meaning when put to the test as in the last few pwn to own contests, it fails. My home has never been broken into...this does not lead me to believe that it is an impossibility. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:50 PM, mike wrote: Too true, mac os is safe regardless of it's less then stellar security, but in the end, safe. How do you define less then stellar security? Looking at Apple's excellent record and then looking at M$'s defective product, WFBs declare that Apple can't be excellent because Windows isn't. Typical WFB logic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:50 PM, mike wrote: Too true, mac os is safe regardless of it's less then stellar security, but in the end, safe. How do you define less then stellar security? Looking at Apple's excellent record and then looking at M$'s defective product, WFBs declare that Apple can't be excellent because Windows isn't. Typical WFB logic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:42 PM, mike wrote: No just regular logic without your weird outlook. Less than stellar meaning when put to the test as in the last few pwn to own contests, it fails. My home has never been broken into...this does not lead me to believe that it is an impossibility. Fantasy land. So when the cops come to your house to do a security audit do you think you have been burglarized? How silly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Depends on where you live. Stewart At 09:42 PM 7/23/2009, you wrote: Fantasy land. So when the cops come to your house to do a security audit do you think you have been burglarized? How silly. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] OS X blackhat training
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/20/advanced_mac_osx_rootkits/ Advanced rootkit design techniques from a OS X security expert. You know the guy that hacked a mac in like 30 seconds. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 22, 2009, at 6:38 PM, mike wrote: Advanced rootkit design techniques from a OS X security expert. You know the guy that hacked a mac in like 30 seconds. He didn't hack a Mac in 30 seconds. He ran a prepared script. Big difference. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But is that not what most hackers do? They examine and look at the OS they want to hack and then through trial and error find the way to do it. Stewart At 07:23 PM 7/22/2009, you wrote: He didn't hack a Mac in 30 seconds. He ran a prepared script. Big difference. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
