Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
>With all the inconsistencies across the web, one browser doesn't fit all >sites. Can you spare a new wireless Apple Mighty Mouse for a poor, >disadvantaged no-button mouse user? My Mighty Mouse in in my junk box. I would not recommend it. My mouse is a Logitech for around $15. Much better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
> You accuse Safari of "serious problems" but all the issues you list are > personal preferences that you even admit "most people don't" care about. > If these are "serious problems" then what words should we use when > discussing Internet Explorer? > > To label these "serious problems" is like ordering a bottle of wine at a > restaurant and rejecting it as "bad" when it is merely not to your taste. > Not a fair thing to do. > > "Serious problems" would be lack of W3C compliance or being easily > succeptable to malware. These are things that Safari is actually very > good at. > > Those are _my_ reasons for not liking Safari. It has serious problems for me, not necessarily for others, except in Vista. Safari isn't any better than other browsers in making W3C noncompliant pages to load, display and print--depends on how awful the site coding is. No one browser is good for everything, so I use several, to overcome inconsistencies in page code as well as browser code. With all the inconsistencies across the web, one browser doesn't fit all sites. Can you spare a new wireless Apple Mighty Mouse for a poor, disadvantaged no-button mouse user? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
> "Serious problems" would be lack of W3C compliance or being easily > succeptable to malware. These are things that Safari is actually very > good at. Dr. Freud...Paging Dr. Freud...please call your office. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
You accuse Safari of "serious problems" but all the issues you list are personal preferences that you even admit "most people don't" care about. If these are "serious problems" then what words should we use when discussing Internet Explorer? To label these "serious problems" is like ordering a bottle of wine at a restaurant and rejecting it as "bad" when it is merely not to your taste. Not a fair thing to do. "Serious problems" would be lack of W3C compliance or being easily succeptable to malware. These are things that Safari is actually very good at. >>> >I avoid Safari because it has a lot of serious problems, >> >> What "serious problems?" Perhaps you have not looked at it recently? Or >> maybe you are reading reviews written by WFBs? Safari is fine. The same >> code base (Web Kit) is also used by Google's Chrome. > >Safari tries to follow KISS, but it leaves too much out, and gets the >rest wrong. At least the Develop menu isn't hidden any more. > >Most people don't tweak their browsers, but I do. Most people don't use >their browsers for FTP, but I do--Safari uses the Finder for FTP instead >of a browser window. Most people don't share bookmarks across several >browsers, but I do--Safari's bookmarks not only don't work in other >browsers, they can't even open as a web page as with other browsers, and >don't list imported bookmarks properly from the top menu. Most people >don't care about sorting the bookmarks, but I do--SeaMonkey is easiest; >Safari requires a third party app; Firefox 3 broke easy sorting from >FF2. I'd like to have "find as you type" in Safari instead of the Find >dialog box, too. Most people don't care what the underlying code is, but >I do. I don't like XML in browsers, especially for bookmarks [or mail], >unless there's an easy way to edit. > >Even those reasons aren't too bad, except for the bookmarks. I just >don't like having to use a two button mouse when my other browsers just >have click-and-hold for contextual menus. That will change when I get a >new iMac, but it's a silly "feature" that's annoying on a daily basis >when I switch from one browser to another. It doesn't make sense to have >click-and-hold contextual menus on the navigation arrows, but not for >links. Very un-Apple-like inconsistencies. Apple's not following their >own HIGs, but those are only "guidelines" not rules. > >I hope that Chrome is easier to use and to tweak. I expect that it will >be, since it's Google, and open source. Google will probably have a kit >with good directions for that, otherwise we can "Google" for the solutions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
>I avoid Safari because it has a lot of serious problems, What "serious problems?" Perhaps you have not looked at it recently? Or maybe you are reading reviews written by WFBs? Safari is fine. The same code base (Web Kit) is also used by Google's Chrome. Safari tries to follow KISS, but it leaves too much out, and gets the rest wrong. At least the Develop menu isn't hidden any more. Most people don't tweak their browsers, but I do. Most people don't use their browsers for FTP, but I do--Safari uses the Finder for FTP instead of a browser window. Most people don't share bookmarks across several browsers, but I do--Safari's bookmarks not only don't work in other browsers, they can't even open as a web page as with other browsers, and don't list imported bookmarks properly from the top menu. Most people don't care about sorting the bookmarks, but I do--SeaMonkey is easiest; Safari requires a third party app; Firefox 3 broke easy sorting from FF2. I'd like to have "find as you type" in Safari instead of the Find dialog box, too. Most people don't care what the underlying code is, but I do. I don't like XML in browsers, especially for bookmarks [or mail], unless there's an easy way to edit. Even those reasons aren't too bad, except for the bookmarks. I just don't like having to use a two button mouse when my other browsers just have click-and-hold for contextual menus. That will change when I get a new iMac, but it's a silly "feature" that's annoying on a daily basis when I switch from one browser to another. It doesn't make sense to have click-and-hold contextual menus on the navigation arrows, but not for links. Very un-Apple-like inconsistencies. Apple's not following their own HIGs, but those are only "guidelines" not rules. I hope that Chrome is easier to use and to tweak. I expect that it will be, since it's Google, and open source. Google will probably have a kit with good directions for that, otherwise we can "Google" for the solutions. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
> That is fairly meaningless. Only if you can't count anything above single digits. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
> Are any of those unfixed? Frequent security patches is the sign of a > good product you can trust. Like Microsoft? You may have a point there. > It is the vendors who don't patch quickly enough that leave their > customers in horrible shape. Like Apple? Like leaving serious Quicktime and DNS bugs unpatched for months? Shorter version: there is no such thing as a secure browser or OS, just varying degrees. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
>Found: 67 Secunia Security Advisories >http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=safari That is fairly meaningless. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What "serious problems?" Perhaps you have not looked at it recently? Or > > maybe you are reading reviews written by WFBs? Safari is fine. The same > > code base (Web Kit) is also used by Google's Chrome. > > What's a little carpet bombing among friends? > > Found: 67 Secunia Security Advisories > http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=safari > > Nope, no security problems here...nosireenothing to see > folks...move along... > Are any of those unfixed? Frequent security patches is the sign of a good product you can trust. It is the vendors who don't patch quickly enough that leave their customers in horrible shape. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
> What "serious problems?" Perhaps you have not looked at it recently? Or > maybe you are reading reviews written by WFBs? Safari is fine. The same > code base (Web Kit) is also used by Google's Chrome. What's a little carpet bombing among friends? Found: 67 Secunia Security Advisories http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=safari Nope, no security problems here...nosireenothing to see folks...move along... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rv: Selection of Browser to Print Entertainment Cou
>I avoid Safari because it has a lot of serious problems, What "serious problems?" Perhaps you have not looked at it recently? Or maybe you are reading reviews written by WFBs? Safari is fine. The same code base (Web Kit) is also used by Google's Chrome. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
