Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
Looks like the price tag ($18M) is for 5 years of work with an ambitious mission statement and new content constantly added. Our cons/neocons had made it sound like it was for a weekend's work. They lied to us for 8 years and I guess it is hard to break a habit. Agencies are starting to see that government needs to be part of this larger information ecosystem, said Sheila Campbell, co- chairwoman of the Federal Web Managers Council. Managing the Web isn't just managing the Web site. It means putting the content out where people are on the Web. Great dot-gov Web Sites 2009 http://gcn.com/Articles/2009/07/27/GCN-Great-Gov-Web-Sites-2009.aspx Go visit these government sites and enjoy a job well done! Don't miss the contrast between the really good government sites and the shabby GCN site. Do note aspx at the end of the GCN URL. (ASP.NET is a web application framework developed and marketed by Microsoft. Ho, ho, ho.) I have analyzed the code of some of these dot-gov sites and, as I wrote before, they are very well crafted. Lots to learn from their example. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
Hold on, you need to give some warning so I can get my hip boots on before you start shoveling this much high end shite. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:01 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Looks like the price tag ($18M) is for 5 years of work with an ambitious mission statement and new content constantly added. Our cons/neocons had made it sound like it was for a weekend's work. They lied to us for 8 years and I guess it is hard to break a habit. Agencies are starting to see that government needs to be part of this larger information ecosystem, said Sheila Campbell, co-chairwoman of the Federal Web Managers Council. Managing the Web isn't just managing the Web site. It means putting the content out where people are on the Web. Great dot-gov Web Sites 2009 http://gcn.com/Articles/2009/07/27/GCN-Great-Gov-Web-Sites-2009.aspx Go visit these government sites and enjoy a job well done! Don't miss the contrast between the really good government sites and the shabby GCN site. Do note aspx at the end of the GCN URL. (ASP.NET is a web application framework developed and marketed by Microsoft. Ho, ho, ho.) I have analyzed the code of some of these dot-gov sites and, as I wrote before, they are very well crafted. Lots to learn from their example. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. If Microsoft made PHP, we'd be constantly talking about how there was another security vulnerability every week... and thats very much PHP's reputation. It has security mis-designs that have carried over since its earliest days, and only recently even barely addressed - and those recent fixes have broken some major code, including drupal. There are lots of good reasons to use drupal... but PHP is the biggest reason to avoid it like industrial farm waste. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: More details please. What kind of site? Also, like Tom I'd like to know what specifically you have against drupal. I know little about it, but the list of big corporations using it is impressive:http://websites.usandv.com/who-is-using-drupal The list includes Sun, Nike, Sony Ericsson, Adobe, FedEx and several television networks, and I believe IBM sells support for it. These people don't seem to have serious problems with it. Besides, its FREE. Just think how much more it would cost if they went with with SharePoint. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
I don't see that many security fixes for php come down the line -- at least not on Linux. There are some, but if you have a good web application firewall, it should be OK, if you use your head. Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com wrote: I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. If Microsoft made PHP, we'd be constantly talking about how there was another security vulnerability every week... and thats very much PHP's reputation. It has security mis-designs that have carried over since its earliest days, and only recently even barely addressed - and those recent fixes have broken some major code, including drupal. There are lots of good reasons to use drupal... but PHP is the biggest reason to avoid it like industrial farm waste. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: More details please. What kind of site? Also, like Tom I'd like to know what specifically you have against drupal. I know little about it, but the list of big corporations using it is impressive:http://websites.usandv.com/who-is-using-drupal The list includes Sun, Nike, Sony Ericsson, Adobe, FedEx and several television networks, and I believe IBM sells support for it. These people don't seem to have serious problems with it. Besides, its FREE. Just think how much more it would cost if they went with with SharePoint. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
On Aug 17, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. That is a bunch of crap. Product of the same propaganda machine that cranks out false stories about OS X. PHP is a programming language. Just like any other programming language, if you don't code securely you don't get a secure application. While flaws in the language itself account for a very small percentage the total, the problems with PHP underscore the difficulty that developers--many of them amateurs--have in locking down applications written in the language, said Peter Mell, senior computer scientist for the NIST and the program manager for the National Vulnerability Database. -- http://www.securityfocus.com/ news/11430 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
Well, you could set up an insecure Drupal website if you didn't really know what you were doing. But given that the list of Drupal's users includes many really big names in IT (including the security company Symantec), e-commerce sites, etc., it would seem that it can't be too hard to set up a fairly safe system. I haven't heard of FedEx or ABC being hacked recently. What CMS would you prefer the govt. to use? From:Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. If Microsoft made PHP, we'd be constantly talking about how there was another security vulnerability every week... and thats very much PHP's reputation. It has security mis- designs that have carried over since its earliest days, and only recently even barely addressed - and those recent fixes have broken some major code, including drupal. There are lots of good reasons to use drupal... but PHP is the biggest reason to avoid it like industrial farm waste. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
