[CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
Tony, I tried your suggestion, one percent own wealth Google said: No results found for one percent own wealth., Results for one percent own wealth (without quotes): Then all ten hits on the page were germane. - Bing said: We did not find any results for one percent own wealth. Try one of these related suggestions One Percent Motorcycle Club One Percent Realty The One Percent Doctrine HBO Jamie Johnson One Percent Movie 1 Percent One Percent Pipes Other resources that may help you: Get additional search tips by visiting Web Search Help. If you cannot find a page that you know exists, send the address to us. - Bing had NO meaningful results! - On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Tony B wrote: 1% own is a really bad search, so let's not blame the search engine. First, it uses the % sign, which is often an operator. But worse, it's too short to get a meaningful response. That Google was able to get it on your first page probably has to do with you having browsed a story about it recently. Especially if you have Google Desktop installed. A much better search would be one percent own wealth, where pretty much any engine - Bing included - will put meaningful results on page one. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Alvin Auerbachalvin.auerb...@verizon.net wrote: Google: 2nd hit was what I wanted. I checked the first 100 hits from Bing, and found nothing. I did a find on each Bing page for 1% None of the first 100 Bing hits had that term. I then stopped checking. Search term: 1% own Google's second hit: World's richest 1% own 40% of all wealth, UN report discovers ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
I never use bing, but I couldn't resist on this one. I searched for one percent own wealth and all of the first 15 links given were germane. All of them. http://www.bing.com/search?q=one+percent+own+wealthgo=form=QBLHqs=n Perhaps we need to start a site 'let me bing that for you' since some can't seem to use it. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Alvin Auerbach alvin.auerb...@verizon.netwrote: Tony, I tried your suggestion, one percent own wealth Google said: No results found for one percent own wealth., Results for one percent own wealth (without quotes): Then all ten hits on the page were germane. - Bing said: We did not find any results for one percent own wealth. Try one of these related suggestions One Percent Motorcycle Club One Percent Realty The One Percent Doctrine HBO Jamie Johnson One Percent Movie 1 Percent One Percent Pipes Other resources that may help you: Get additional search tips by visiting Web Search Help. If you cannot find a page that you know exists, send the address to us. - Bing had NO meaningful results! - On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Tony B wrote: 1% own is a really bad search, so let's not blame the search engine. First, it uses the % sign, which is often an operator. But worse, it's too short to get a meaningful response. That Google was able to get it on your first page probably has to do with you having browsed a story about it recently. Especially if you have Google Desktop installed. A much better search would be one percent own wealth, where pretty much any engine - Bing included - will put meaningful results on page one. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Alvin Auerbachalvin.auerb...@verizon.net wrote: Google: 2nd hit was what I wanted. I checked the first 100 hits from Bing, and found nothing. I did a find on each Bing page for 1% None of the first 100 Bing hits had that term. I then stopped checking. Search term: 1% own Google's second hit: World's richest 1% own 40% of all wealth, UN report discovers ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: Bing had NO meaningful results! Did it not say... Other resources that may help you: Google That would be a terrible oversight. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
Google said: No results found for one percent own wealth., Results for one percent own wealth (without quotes): Then all ten hits on the page were germane. - Bing said: We did not find any results for one percent own wealth. Your search shouldn't have been quoted. The quotes meant that you were searching for pages containing the literal phrase one percent own wealth, of which there apparently are none. Only use quotes when you're searching for a specific, exact phrase. Google found results because it removed the quotes and tried again. Bing didn't do that. What Google did is certainly helpful, and Bing should do it too. But that doesn't change the fact that the original search was incorrect... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
Tony did not suggest: one percent own wealth. He suggested: one percent own wealth. So that's what I used as a search term. Note that Google, on its own, tried the search without the quotes when it didn't get results with the quotes, whereas Bing did not do that, or even suggest that. On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, mike wrote: I never use bing, but I couldn't resist on this one. I searched for one percent own wealth and all of the first 15 links given were germane. All of them. http://www.bing.com/search?q=one+percent+own+wealthgo=form=QBLHqs=n Perhaps we need to start a site 'let me bing that for you' since some can't seem to use it. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Alvin Auerbach alvin.auerb...@verizon.netwrote: Tony, I tried your suggestion, one percent own wealth Google said: No results found for one percent own wealth., Results for one percent own wealth (without quotes): Then all ten hits on the page were germane. - Bing said: We did not find any results for one percent own wealth. Try one of these related suggestions One Percent Motorcycle Club One Percent Realty The One Percent Doctrine HBO Jamie Johnson One Percent Movie 1 Percent One Percent Pipes Other resources that may help you: Get additional search tips by visiting Web Search Help. If you cannot find a page that you know exists, send the address to us. - Bing had NO meaningful results! - On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Tony B wrote: 1% own is a really bad search, so let's not blame the search engine. First, it uses the % sign, which is often an operator. But worse, it's too short to get a meaningful response. That Google was able to get it on your first page probably has to do with you having browsed a story about it recently. Especially if you have Google Desktop installed. A much better search would be one percent own wealth, where pretty much any engine - Bing included - will put meaningful results on page one. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Alvin Auerbachalvin.auerb...@verizon.net wrote: Google: 2nd hit was what I wanted. I checked the first 100 hits from Bing, and found nothing. I did a find on each Bing page for 1% None of the first 100 Bing hits had that term. I then stopped checking. Search term: 1% own Google's second hit: World's richest 1% own 40% of all wealth, UN report discovers ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
But that doesn't change the fact that the original search was incorrect... The test is not to see which person can parse his search in the most efficient manner for the search engine. The test is to see which search engine can respond in the most efficient manner for the person, even if the person does not parse his search in the most efficient manner. This reminds me of a story from long ago, told to me by my mother: The boss wants to test which of two people is best for him to hire. He tells each of them to go to the grocery store next door to see if they have onions. The first person reports back, Yes, they have onions. The second person reports back, Yes, they have onions, and they're $1.00 a pound; and they have 5 lb. bags for $4.00. The second person gets hired, instead of the first person. Google gets used, instead of Bing. On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Google said: No results found for one percent own wealth., Results for one percent own wealth (without quotes): Then all ten hits on the page were germane. - Bing said: We did not find any results for one percent own wealth. Your search shouldn't have been quoted. The quotes meant that you were searching for pages containing the literal phrase one percent own wealth, of which there apparently are none. Only use quotes when you're searching for a specific, exact phrase. Google found results because it removed the quotes and tried again. Bing didn't do that. What Google did is certainly helpful, and Bing should do it too. But that doesn't change the fact that the original search was incorrect... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
Well, we all knew today's searches are personalized, didn't we? Long gone are the days of one index with an identical set of results for all of us. I thought it would go without saying you wouldn't include the quotes. :) Agreed the engine should have known to try it with and without quotes. A human would have. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Alvin Auerbachalvin.auerb...@verizon.net wrote: Tony did not suggest: one percent own wealth. He suggested: one percent own wealth. So that's what I used as a search term. Note that Google, on its own, tried the search without the quotes when it didn't get results with the quotes, whereas Bing did not do that, or even suggest that. On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, mike wrote: I never use bing, but I couldn't resist on this one. I searched for one percent own wealth and all of the first 15 links given were germane. All of them. http://www.bing.com/search?q=one+percent+own+wealthgo=form=QBLHqs=n Perhaps we need to start a site 'let me bing that for you' since some can't seem to use it. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Alvin Auerbach alvin.auerb...@verizon.netwrote: Tony, I tried your suggestion, one percent own wealth Google said: No results found for one percent own wealth., Results for one percent own wealth (without quotes): Then all ten hits on the page were germane. - Bing said: We did not find any results for one percent own wealth. Try one of these related suggestions One Percent Motorcycle Club One Percent Realty The One Percent Doctrine HBO Jamie Johnson One Percent Movie 1 Percent One Percent Pipes Other resources that may help you: Get additional search tips by visiting Web Search Help. If you cannot find a page that you know exists, send the address to us. - Bing had NO meaningful results! - On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Tony B wrote: 1% own is a really bad search, so let's not blame the search engine. First, it uses the % sign, which is often an operator. But worse, it's too short to get a meaningful response. That Google was able to get it on your first page probably has to do with you having browsed a story about it recently. Especially if you have Google Desktop installed. A much better search would be one percent own wealth, where pretty much any engine - Bing included - will put meaningful results on page one. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Alvin Auerbachalvin.auerb...@verizon.net wrote: Google: 2nd hit was what I wanted. I checked the first 100 hits from Bing, and found nothing. I did a find on each Bing page for 1% None of the first 100 Bing hits had that term. I then stopped checking. Search term: 1% own Google's second hit: World's richest 1% own 40% of all wealth, UN report discovers ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
The test is not to see which person can parse his search in the most efficient manner for the search engine. Well, I don't think the decision to quote or not relates to phrasing a search in the most efficient manner for the search engine. This is some pretty basic stuff; it's not some arcane syntax for some particular search engine. I don't know of any search that wouldn't interpret that as find me all pages containing the exact phrase 'one percent own wealth'. The only question is, what should the search engine do when it fails? In my own experience, if I search for an exact phrase, and there are no hits, and Google tries again without the quotes, the results rarely have what I was looking for, since it doesn't actually exist. It worked in this case, but that's because the unquoted version was what he really wanted. But most of the time, it won't. So try again without quotes is not, in my opinion, nearly as useful as it would seem. None of this, of course, to say that Bing shouldn't have tried it without quotes. I already said that it probably should have. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: The first person reports back, Yes, they have onions. The second person reports back, Yes, they have onions, and they're $1.00 a pound; and they have 5 lb. bags for $4.00. Bing's advertising implies that Bing comes back with a delicious plate of Blooming Onions. On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: The test is to see which search engine can respond in the most efficient manner for the person, even if the person does not parse his search in the most efficient manner. Would it even occur to M$ that the customer expects them to be at their service and not the other way around? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
Quoting Alvin Auerbach alvin.auerb...@verizon.net: Tony, I tried your suggestion, one percent own wealth Tried the original search on Yahoo! It *suggested* these as search terms: top 1% own 1% ownership richest 1% own top 1% own 90% 1% owns Now if you go with the original, you get useless results. If you pick one of the suggested terms, the results are much ore on target. Gotta go with Tony on this one. It's not a good search term. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tony's Search [Was Google: 2nd hit. Bing: Not in 100 hits}
On Aug 1, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Reid Katan wrote: Gotta go with Tony on this one. It's not a good search term. Or as M$ would say... 00x2351000 rg=A601749071084-2 vq=h609124650458-12 za=73q4r98072186 qw=5123451564415 Press CTRL-ALT-DEL to continue... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
