Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-02 Thread David K Watson

When I opened it in Acrobat Reader I couldn't copy.
The document properties in Acrobat shows
Content Copying:  Not allowed
Content Copying for Accessibility:  Allowed
Apparently, different viewers interpret these properties
differently, since (as others have reported) it can be copied
from it when it is opened in Safari using whatever (non-Adobe)
PDF plugin I have, and likewise for Preview or in a little app
called PDFview.

Since it can be copied from using Evince in linux, I guess
the solution isn't necessarily Get a Mac.

Something else that would work is to run it through an OCR
program, most of these can now be used with any PDF that
can be opened.


You're right, that doc is protected. If you can't talk them into
sending you one that isn't, you may be forced to ocr.

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote:

link

http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf





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[CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread gerald
what is the easiest way to get a quote from a pdf into a microsoft cut and 
paste format.

i want about half a page from a 250 page document.  i do this fairly often.  


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'm sure that there is a way to defeat this, probably by using a full
featured pdf editor, but it may be what the author(s) wanted.

Yes, but that would be an illegal violation of the DMCA and we don't do 
illegal here. If the document is locked for copying you must bring that 
up with the document owner, not circumvent their settings.

If I asked if there is a way to hack TurboTax to give me a large, 
undeserved tax refund, would you tell me how?


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
what is the easiest way to get a quote from a pdf into a microsoft cut and 
paste format.

Select the text with the Select Text tool. Then Copy and paste it.

If that doesn't work, check Document Properties (Security) to see if it 
is locked. You may need to get a password to unlock the document.


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Tony B
In Foxit Reader (free) I just select the cursor icon (next to the hand
icon) and copy away. Failing that, you can always just print it out
and ocr it.


On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:52 AM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote:
 what is the easiest way to get a quote from a pdf into a microsoft cut and 
 paste format.

 i want about half a page from a 250 page document.  i do this fairly often.


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread gerald
it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report).  i 
presume it is made with  Adobe software as the feds have long been a big 
supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs 
into house.

i cannot imagine they would lock it.  however, when i try to do cut and paste 
in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out.

i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master 
password  so i guess the document is locked. 


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Tony B
Linkage?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:10 PM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote:
 it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report).  i 
 presume it is made with  Adobe software as the feds have long been a big 
 supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs 
 into house.

 i cannot imagine they would lock it.  however, when i try to do cut and paste 
 in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out.

 i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master 
 password  so i guess the document is locked.


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Jordan
I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf 
and was able to cut and paste freely.
The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but 
Preview on Mac OS X had no problem.


gerald wrote:

it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report).  i 
presume it is made with  Adobe software as the feds have long been a big 
supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs 
into house.

i cannot imagine they would lock it.  however, when i try to do cut and paste 
in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out.

i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master password  so i guess the document is locked. 

  



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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Tony B
You're right, that doc is protected. If you can't talk them into
sending you one that isn't, you may be forced to ocr.

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote:
 link

 http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf 
and was able to cut and paste freely.
The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but 
Preview on Mac OS X had no problem.

Good point. Sometimes the browser plugins don't let you do everything you 
should be able to do. It is best to download the file and open it in 
Preview or Acrobat Reader, or even better with the full version of 
Acrobat.


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 02:10 PM 2/1/2009, gerald wrote:
it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report).  i 
presume it is made with  Adobe software as the feds have long been a big 
supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs 
into house.

i cannot imagine they would lock it.  however, when i try to do cut and paste 
in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out.

i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master 
password  so i guess the document is locked. 

Some/many .pdf files are scanned, and therefore total bitmaps.  There is no 
text information in them at all.  If you want to extract text information from 
the .pdf file, the only recourse is to OCR it.  Some OCR programs will process 
a .pdf file directly.  Or, as someone else has said, you could print the 
document and then scan/OCR the paper copy.  OmniPage Pro is stated to have the 
capability to OCR .pdf files directly, but I've never tried to do that.  I have 
used OminPage Pro OCR in conjunction with scanning a paper document, although 
not recently.  

Kleptomania 2.6 from http://www.structurise.com/ is a program (systray utility) 
for OCRing small amounts of text.  But it has to learn the fonts that it will 
be OCRing.  So if the .pdf document uses a font that isn't installed on your 
computer, you will not get good results.  I use Kleptomania occasionally to 
capture (copy) error messages when the Windows copy command doesn't work.  
Structurise has been in business for a long time.  I have Kleptomania 1.0 from 
1998.

All of the above only for making legal copies, of course.

Fred Holmes


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread db

MS Office Document Imaging will OCR also...

db

Fred Holmes wrote:

At 02:10 PM 2/1/2009, gerald wrote:
  

it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report).  i 
presume it is made with  Adobe software as the feds have long been a big 
supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs 
into house.

i cannot imagine they would lock it.  however, when i try to do cut and paste 
in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out.

i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master password  so i guess the document is locked. 



Some/many .pdf files are scanned, and therefore total bitmaps.  There is no text information in them at all.  If you want to extract text information from the .pdf file, the only recourse is to OCR it.  Some OCR programs will process a .pdf file directly.  Or, as someone else has said, you could print the document and then scan/OCR the paper copy.  OmniPage Pro is stated to have the capability to OCR .pdf files directly, but I've never tried to do that.  I have used OminPage Pro OCR in conjunction with scanning a paper document, although not recently.  


Kleptomania 2.6 from http://www.structurise.com/ is a program (systray utility) for 
OCRing small amounts of text.  But it has to learn the fonts that it will be 
OCRing.  So if the .pdf document uses a font that isn't installed on your computer, you 
will not get good results.  I use Kleptomania occasionally to capture (copy) error 
messages when the Windows copy command doesn't work.  Structurise has been in business 
for a long time.  I have Kleptomania 1.0 from 1998.

All of the above only for making legal copies, of course.

Fred Holmes


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Some/many .pdf files are scanned, and therefore total bitmaps.  There is 
no text information in them at all.  If you want to extract text 
information from the .pdf file, the only recourse is to OCR it.  Some OCR 
programs will process a .pdf file directly.

Adobe Acrobat includes built-in OCR capability. 


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Abby Fine reader does this also.

Stewart

At 03:54 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote:
Some/many .pdf files are scanned, and therefore total 
bitmaps.  There is no text information in them at all.  If you want 
to extract text information from the .pdf file, the only recourse is 
to OCR it.  Some OCR programs will process a .pdf file 
directly.  Or, as someone else has said, you could print the 
document and then scan/OCR the paper copy.  OmniPage Pro is stated 
to have the capability to OCR .pdf files directly, but I've never 
tried to do that.  I have used OminPage Pro OCR in conjunction with 
scanning a paper document, although not recently.


Kleptomania 2.6 from http://www.structurise.com/ is a program 
(systray utility) for OCRing small amounts of text.  But it has to 
learn the fonts that it will be OCRing.  So if the .pdf document 
uses a font that isn't installed on your computer, you will not get 
good results.  I use Kleptomania occasionally to capture (copy) 
error messages when the Windows copy command doesn't 
work.  Structurise has been in business for a long time.  I have 
Kleptomania 1.0 from 1998.


All of the above only for making legal copies, of course.

Fred Holmes


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Jordan

No problem copying and pasting with Preview.
Interesting!

gerald wrote:

link

http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf 
  



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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread gerald
document is protected  all locked up.  as suggested by above, wife opened it 
in mac preview and can copy it.  so much for protection  thanks. for info.

At 04:44 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote:
I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf 
and was able to cut and paste freely.
The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but 
Preview on Mac OS X had no problem.

Good point. Sometimes the browser plugins don't let you do everything you 
should be able to do. It is best to download the file and open it in 
Preview or Acrobat Reader, or even better with the full version of 
Acrobat.


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread rleesimon
do a simple screenshot, save as bmp and do ocr ...many free ocr apps out
there allovertheplace ...

-Original Message-
From: gerald [mailto:ger...@slawecki.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: cut and paste a pdf


document is protected  all locked up.  as suggested by above, wife opened
it in mac preview and can copy it.  so much for protection  thanks. for
info.

At 04:44 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote:
I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf
and was able to cut and paste freely.
The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but 
Preview on Mac OS X had no problem.

Good point. Sometimes the browser plugins don't let you do everything 
you
should be able to do. It is best to download the file and open it in 
Preview or Acrobat Reader, or even better with the full version of 
Acrobat.


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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread John DeCarlo
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:52 AM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote:

 what is the easiest way to get a quote from a pdf into a microsoft cut and
 paste format.

 i want about half a page from a 250 page document.  i do this fairly often.


I didn't see anyone mention the Snapshot Tool in Adobe Reader.

Sometimes you don't really have to have the text, just something readable in
your document.

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Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf

2009-02-01 Thread Michael Fernando
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009, gerald wrote:

 http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf

evince (Document Viewer) in Ubuntu works ok with cut'n'paste.
File - Properties reports Security: No


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