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On Jul 31, 2009, at 7:18 PM, mike wrote: Next day, six weeks...whatever... I accept your resignation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You must have missed the part where apple was notified of this security issue weeks ago...I know you wouldn't choose to ignore facts like that. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:01 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 7:18 PM, mike wrote: Next day, six weeks...whatever... I accept your resignation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 29, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: iPhone SMS attack to be unleashed at Black Hat Apple on Friday released iPhone Software Update 3.0.1, which fixes the SMS vulnerability demonstrated at the Black Hat security conference on Thursday. Next-day service on security fixes. Hard to beat that! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Next day, six weeks...whatever... On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:00 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: iPhone SMS attack to be unleashed at Black Hat Apple on Friday released iPhone Software Update 3.0.1, which fixes the SMS vulnerability demonstrated at the Black Hat security conference on Thursday. Next-day service on security fixes. Hard to beat that! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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iPhone owners, of course, have nothing to worry about on these grounds. Oh no, nothing at all. iPhone SMS attack to be unleashed at Black Hat http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136012/iPhone_SMS_attack_to_be_unlea shed_at_Black_Hat?source=rss_news * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Also check out Zdziarski's website for a lengthy attack on health care reform... http://www.zdziarski.com/ I'm sure in your twisted world-view, this is supposed to be an indictment of his intelligence or trustworthiness. Don't let those tarring skills go to waste Thanks for the tip. He's actually radically improving my opinion of MFBs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The trick is to install an alternative kernel (operating system) on the device and then copy the data off. I don't know that there is any computer that can't be defeated this way. That's not the point. The point was to demonstrate how easy it is to hack a device that someone drags with them everywhere. The article also illustrated how any app in the App store could be perverted once it was approved for use. For years we've cracked Windows passwords by mounting the drive with a Linux kernel. The Mac OS DVD includes a utility to reset passwords. This is not news. Very true. But his point is how pathetic the encryption is on the iPhone. He was able to do it so quickly, it could be done while you go to the bathroom at a restaurant and leave your iPhone behind. I can easily envision a corporate/guvmint espionage scenario involving switching out iPhones for the purpose on stealing sensitive information. I expect to see this demonstrated on Burn Notice soon. If you have lost physical control of your computer you have lost the data too. I guess this will be news to boneheaded IT directors, but should not be news to anyone on this List. I'm guessing that the article was intended for an audience a little bigger than this list. Feeling a such swagger in your ego so that your world is defined by this list? Is this 1995-AOL-envy? Maybe, just maybe, it was intended for the gibbering fanbois who insist on using a consumer-level product as an enterprise device. I recall many posts and articles by boneheaded IT directors who were concerned early on about the iPhone's lax security and how they were shut down by the gibbering fanboi CEO and/or pressure from fanboi staff who insisted on bringing them into the enterprise. My Blackberry has 256-bit AES encryption and can wipe itself when disconnected from the server for too long, as when a simple thief swipes it for resale later. I haven't read anything about how easily p0wned they are either. There are many, many options for centrally managing and securing Blackberries that iPhones simply don't have. A BB can be config'ed to wipe after x number of bad passwords attempts. iPhones can be remotely told to wipe their drives. That is probably your best defense. Something easily defeated by removing the SIM card. Are you sure you read the article? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yet another belligerent ass! t.piwowar wrote: Also check out Zdziarski's website for a lengthy attack on health care reform... http://www.zdziarski.com/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But a correct belligerent ass. Sent from my iPod On Jul 25, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Yet another belligerent ass! t.piwowar wrote: Also check out Zdziarski's website for a lengthy attack on health care reform... http://www.zdziarski.com/ *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yet another belligerent ass! Mike wrote: But a correct belligerent ass. Sent from my iPod On Jul 25, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Yet another belligerent ass! t.piwowar wrote: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Being an ass doesn't piss people off, it's when they are right they get angry about it...see Jordan for details. :) On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Yet another belligerent ass! Mike wrote: But a correct belligerent ass. Sent from my iPod On Jul 25, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Yet another belligerent ass! t.piwowar wrote: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 25, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: That's not the point. The point was to demonstrate how easy it is to hack a device that someone drags with them everywhere. On Jul 25, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Very true. But his point is how pathetic the encryption is on the iPhone. As I read my email, I'm listening to NPR's This American Life. The story is about Iranian interrogators and how they beat bizarre confessions out of poor innocents. I couldn't help seeing a parallel to Jeff's railings. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. CONFESS! CONFESS! What I said is precisely the point. If you lose physical control of any device, the information in the device can be hacked by someone who is an expert. In some cases (e.g. Windows) you don't even have to be an expert: a quick Google search will lead to quick and easy methods. This is nothing that is unique to the iPhone. It is just one more example of something we should all already know. What is noteworthy is that Apple is trying to do better than average. It does encrypt data in a way that requires an experienced hacker to bypass and it does provide a way to remotely erase the stored data. I spit on the Supreme Ayatollah. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 25, 2009, at 12:35 PM, mike wrote: Being an ass doesn't piss people off, it's when they are right they get angry about it...see Jordan for details. :) And this guy is definitely far right. To deserve our attention it takes a lot more than the ability to pull off a minor computer trick. We judge people by the whole of what they do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A more important story to be watching... Microsoft to fix critical hole in IE http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10295592-245.html Note that M$ has admitted to a serious problem, but has not issued any fix. iPhone owners, of course, have nothing to worry about on these grounds. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We judge people by the whole of what they do. Or in your case, what they believe. He's a double heretic! Shun him! Shun him! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And you are left...it's not about right or left, the first question should be, is the info correct? The next is, do I care? I've read many parts of the bill, those things he lists are in it...so the question is, do you care? On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:03 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 25, 2009, at 12:35 PM, mike wrote: Being an ass doesn't piss people off, it's when they are right they get angry about it...see Jordan for details. :) And this guy is definitely far right. To deserve our attention it takes a lot more than the ability to pull off a minor computer trick. We judge people by the whole of what they do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 25, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote: I've read many parts of the bill, those things he lists are in it...so the question is, do you care? Propaganda. There is no bill at this point. There are at least 3 very different proposed bills circulating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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What I said is precisely the point. If you lose physical control of any device, the information in the device can be hacked by someone who is an expert. In some cases (e.g. Windows) you don't even have to be an expert: a quick Google search will lead to quick and easy methods. REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL! This is nothing that is unique to the iPhone. It is just one more example of something we should all already know. NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS. MOVE ALONG, MOVE ALONG. What is noteworthy is that Apple is trying to do better than average. It does encrypt data in a way that requires an experienced hacker to bypass and it does provide a way to remotely erase the stored data. WE'RE STRIVING FOR A C+. I spit on the Supreme Ayatollah. THERE'S AN APP FOR THAT. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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iPhone owners, of course, have nothing to worry about on these grounds. Oh no, nothing at all. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enrls=com.microsoft%3Aen-usq=iphone+vulner abilitiesaq=foq=aqi= Results 1 - 10 of about 2,620,000 for iphone vulnerabilities. (0.13 seconds) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Who uses IE? On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:15 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: A more important story to be watching... Microsoft to fix critical hole in IE http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10295592-245.html Note that M$ has admitted to a serious problem, but has not issued any fix. iPhone owners, of course, have nothing to worry about on these grounds. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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As I said, you are far left and carrying the big O's water, move along don't pay attention, we'll pass another 1000 page bill in hours before anyone can read it. Keeping it somewhat on our grounds, O was supposed to post bills online for five days for public comment before passage...guess that's not happening. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 25, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote: I've read many parts of the bill, those things he lists are in it...so the question is, do you care? Propaganda. There is no bill at this point. There are at least 3 very different proposed bills circulating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Not only that the Senate has not passed anything yet and if it does it all goes to a conference committee, and you never know what will come out of one of those. I am just hoping they come up with something that will help us middle class folks whose insurance is higher than all get out. Stewart At 12:39 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote: Propaganda. There is no bill at this point. There are at least 3 very different proposed bills circulating. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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All these things are dynamic, but the website listed some details in the bills that are proposed. Keep the faith Rev, God knows I have none when it comes to the rats in DC. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Not only that the Senate has not passed anything yet and if it does it all goes to a conference committee, and you never know what will come out of one of those. I am just hoping they come up with something that will help us middle class folks whose insurance is higher than all get out. Stewart At 12:39 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote: Propaganda. There is no bill at this point. There are at least 3 very different proposed bills circulating. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Who uses IE? I do. I like IE8 a lot. It's the first version of IE I've ever liked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I still can't get past not having search plug ins. I might use chrome or safari if it just had some good search options. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Who uses IE? I do. I like IE8 a lot. It's the first version of IE I've ever liked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I still can't get past not having search plug ins. I might use chrome or safari if it just had some good search options. Search works fine. It's not having add-ons like Adblock and NoScript that sinks IE for me. I also like how Firefox will spell-check forum/blog postings on the fly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Search doesn't work fine unless I just want one search engine...I have over a dozen I use all the time. Check out mycroft for available plug ins for FF. And I'd not use IE, I just can't get past it's...past. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't get past not having search plug ins. I might use chrome or safari if it just had some good search options. Search works fine. It's not having add-ons like Adblock and NoScript that sinks IE for me. I also like how Firefox will spell-check forum/blog postings on the fly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 25, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL! And watch out for those guys on the motorcycles waving truncheons. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Boy you must live in a rough neighborhood. Stewart At 02:04 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote: And watch out for those guys on the motorcycles waving truncheons. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There is so much money against doing what the public wants and needs right now that I think all we can hope for is a step in the right direction. If we could get something in there that is not insurance it would be good. Every other industrialized country in the world has single payer healthcare. t.piwowar wrote: On Jul 25, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote: I've read many parts of the bill, those things he lists are in it...so the question is, do you care? Propaganda. There is no bill at this point. There are at least 3 very different proposed bills circulating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Just this past May my mother fell in France and broke both her femurs. My mother has both Medicare and Tricare for life. (My father was retired military reserves) Medicare will not cover you outside the US. Tricare will cover her surgery and hospital stay but it had to be paid for up front. Total cost (All inclusive) for surgeries and hospital stay of one week was $12,000 US. Same stay and surgeries in the US would have been approximately $50,000. US health care has found ways to line every ones pocket for a simple procedure. Have some blood drawn and you will get two to three bills. Doctors office for drawing blood, lab for running tests, and pathologist for reviewing lab results. Now that is criminal and outrageous. There is a better way to do this and it is going to take some time, but it is about time they start addressing it. Stewart At 02:54 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote: There is so much money against doing what the public wants and needs right now that I think all we can hope for is a step in the right direction. If we could get something in there that is not insurance it would be good. Every other industrialized country in the world has single payer healthcare. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I was thinking about this issue of needing more time the other day. I've come to the conclusion we need to treat congress as we do children. After all, they act just like children. Can you imagine telling your child to check everything in his room, categorize what he wants and doesn't, decide where he wants to put the stuff he wants to keep, form a plan and after all that, clean his room. Does anyone seriously think any of that would get done? I think we need to get something going. If parts of it are broke, revise it. We can even revise the constitution if we decide we need to. That option is built in. Jeff M On Jul 25, 2009, at 10:46 AM, mike wrote: As I said, you are far left and carrying the big O's water, move along don't pay attention, we'll pass another 1000 page bill in hours before anyone can read it. Keeping it somewhat on our grounds, O was supposed to post bills online for five days for public comment before passage...guess that's not happening. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jul 25, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote: I've read many parts of the bill, those things he lists are in it...so the question is, do you care? Propaganda. There is no bill at this point. There are at least 3 very different proposed bills circulating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: There is a better way to do this and it is going to take some time, but it is about time they start addressing it. This health insurance mess reminds me of the oil dependency mess. Both subjects have been talked and talked and talked about for many years, yet those entrenched forces making very handsome profits off of both have managed to keep everything as it has been with no result other than making it more and more difficult for us little folks to maintain our financial equilibrium and well-being. Bribery works, and money flowing to elected representatives from corporations is nothing but that. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No, it is a corporation exercising on behalf of its stockholders the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Matthew On Jul 25, 2009, at 5:17 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Bribery works, and money flowing to elected representatives from corporations is nothing but that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: No, it is a corporation exercising on behalf of its stockholders the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Say what? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There is redress for actual grievances and then there is outright blackmail and corporate bribery. I think Congress has found a way to make bribery and blackmail look like redress. Stewart At 07:06 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: No, it is a corporation exercising on behalf of its stockholders the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Say what? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote:] I think Congress has found a way to make bribery and blackmail look like redress. Not just Congress. The corporations are also involved. They both refer to the activity as free speech. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If congress did not encourage and allow it corporations would not do it. It is a two way street of greed. Stewart At 07:50 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote:] I think Congress has found a way to make bribery and blackmail look like redress. Not just Congress. The corporations are also involved. They both refer to the activity as free speech. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: If congress did not encourage and allow it corporations would not do it. Encourage it? Members of Congress quite openly ask, and in some cases, virtually demand money from corporations in exchange for their services on behalf of those constituents. Been reading the news stories of late about the gush of money from the pharmaceutical industry to those members of Congress who are intimately involved in the health care reform issue? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That is what I am talking about. Real campaign reform would look like this: All monies raised for campaign expenses must be raised within the sate of residence congress people live in. NO corporate monies allowed. No monies from out of state and no PAC's. Wisconsin had one of the tightest rules on lobbyists. NO MONIES no lunches no freebies. A congress critter wants to be reelected than the people of his area of representation can fund his campaign, not the DNC not the RNC and especially not their club the Congressional campaign fund. Get money out of the equation and you would be surprised at those not willing or wanting to run, and how much cheaper government could be run. It has always amazed me that these folks spend so much money for a job that pays so little (to hear them speak.) I could stand to earn as much as them. Or even half. Stewart At 08:57 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote: Encourage it? Members of Congress quite openly ask, and in some cases, virtually demand money from corporations in exchange for their services on behalf of those constituents. Been reading the news stories of late about the gush of money from the pharmaceutical industry to those members of Congress who are intimately involved in the health care reform issue? Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 25, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Boy you must live in a rough neighborhood. Cguysville * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] iPhone 3GS encryption useless
[T]he ... encryption included with the iPhone 3GS is so weak it can be cracked in two minutes with a few pieces of readily available freeware. It is kind of like storing all your secret messages right next to the secret decoder ring, said Jonathan Zdziarski, an iPhone developer and a hacker who teaches forensics courses on recovering data from iPhones. I don't think any of us [developers] have ever seen encryption implemented so poorly before http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/iphone-encryption/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone 3GS encryption useless
[T]he ... encryption included with the iPhone 3GS is so weak it can be cracked in two minutes with a few pieces of readily available freeware. It is kind of like storing all your secret messages right next to the secret decoder ring, said Jonathan Zdziarski, an iPhone developer and a hacker who teaches forensics courses on recovering data from iPhones. I don't think any of us [developers] have ever seen encryption implemented so poorly before Cleary, the author is a WFB. Were he a MFB, he would have been hunted down by now by the others in the compound. “Your organization has to be culturally ready to accept a certain degree of risk,” Kidd said. “I can say we’ve secured everything as tight as a button, but that won’t be true…. Our culture is such that our general manager is saying, ‘I’m willing to take the risk for the value of the applications.’” Fanboi stupid is, as fanboi stupid does. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone 3GS encryption useless
On Jul 24, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: [T]he ... encryption included with the iPhone 3GS is so weak it can be cracked in two minutes with a few pieces of readily available freeware. The trick is to install an alternative kernel (operating system) on the device and then copy the data off. I don't know that there is any computer that can't be defeated this way. For years we've cracked Windows passwords by mounting the drive with a Linux kernel. The Mac OS DVD includes a utility to reset passwords. This is not news. If you have lost physical control of your computer you have lost the data too. I guess this will be news to boneheaded IT directors, but should not be news to anyone on this List. iPhones can be remotely told to wipe their drives. That is probably your best defense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone 3GS encryption useless
Also check out Zdziarski's website for a lengthy attack on health care reform... http://www.zdziarski.com/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
