[Callers] Re: OT - Calling and US Taxes

[Read Weaver via Contra Callers]

Not the place for specific tax advice, ‘cause I’ll contradict Joe here and say 
that you can definitely still deduct expenses after 3 years of losses, you just 
may not be able to claim the loss (i.e., reduce your overall claimed income and 
hence tax bill).

Also, you only have to make quarterly payments if when you file your taxes at 
the end of the year you'll owe (i.e., write a check to the IRS for) more than 
$1000 (pretty sure that’s the current amount). If you’ve got a job that 
withholds tax from your pay, you can change your W-2 to have more withheld, 
instead of filing quarterly. And iirc, the first year you owe more than $1000 
you won’t have to pay a penalty. (Bear in mind, if you’re trying to figure out 
where you are wrt that $1000, that self-employment tax is about twice as much 
as Social Security, ‘cause you’re paying both the employer and employee parts.)

You may just want to wait till you file taxes this year (maybe do it a little 
early), and pay for in-person tax help this year—my guess is you’ll see that 
it’s simple enough that after that you don’t need extra help. But I have a 
small simple side business and I found that the walk-through that online 
commercial tax filing (it needs to include the self-employment forms) was all I 
needed. Turbo Tax seems to be everyone’s favorite, though now that I know how 
it works I use a cheaper one.

Also, the librarian is your friend—ask this same question at your library. And 
there may be local help for small businesses. Were I’ve lived, tax help during 
tax season often happened at the library, so they may have that info too.

And I’ll say again—this isn’t the place for tax advice: don’t assume what I 
said is right either.


> On Jan 10, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Joe Kwiatkowski via Contra Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Slipped fingers. The IRS.gov  website allows you to make 
> estimated tax payments on line. You can also download the forms and 
> instructions if you want. If you don't make a "profit" in your first three 
> years, the IRS calls it a hobby. You still have to pay taxes, but you can't 
> deduct expenses   Find a tax shop or a book on small businesses. JKLasser has 
> some good thouough books.
> 
> Joe Kwiatkowski
> 
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Don Veino via Contra Callers 
>  > wrote:
> OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money, right? 
> ;-)
> 
> But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least 
> covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS may 
> expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.
> 
> I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it 
> involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the income and 
> including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at the 
> Fed/State/Local level. The trick is how.
> 
> Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct advice on 
> the topic?
> 
> (Apologies for the intrusion of the Real World into our magic place...)
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[Callers] Re: Easy 4X4 Coconut Custard

[Paul Wilde via Contra Callers]

And, you don't even have to CA twirl at end
if you want to cut down on teaching time or
groups not ready for CA twrl.

B-2 All 8 circle L to trade places w/ other line
  Balance ring and turn around to face new
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[Callers] Re: Easy but super fun 4X4 contras

[Paul Wilde via Contra Callers]

Amy,

Hi!  Was it Do Si Three by Linda Leslie?

3 face 3 (youngest dancer in the middle, makes it even better)

A-1 Hands 6 Circle L
   Circle R (back to place)
A-2 Ends (opposites) DoSiDo
  Middles  "   DoSiDo
B-1 Ends Swing
  Middles Swing
B-2 L of 3 F & B
  F and pass thru (opposite by R sh)
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[Callers] Re: Easy but super fun 4X4 contras

[Don Heinold via Contra Callers]

 Hi Emily!
My fav 4X4 dance is Coconut Cream Pie by Lynn Ackerson. It is very forgiving 
and fun. Here it is discussed in a previous sharedweight 
discussion:https://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/2019-May/004013.htmlIt's
 a great dance and have used it many times. 

Cheers,
Don Heinold, from Rhode Island



On Friday, January 10, 2020, 10:39:34 PM EST, Emily Addison via Contra 
Callers  wrote:  
 
 Hi fellow contra callers :)
I was wondering if you have suggestions for very easy but SUPER FUN 4X4 contras.
I occasionally call to a room of quite new contra dancers and I'd like to have 
a few 4X4 which have some kind of great hook or wonderful energy but that are 
accessible.
Thanks for the consideration :)Emily in Ottawa
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[Callers] Re: Easy but super fun 4X4 contras

[Amy Cann via Contra Callers]

Are you dead set on 4x4?

There's a good/superfun/easy 3x3 but I'll be darned if I can think of
it at the moment... I'll get back to you...

On 1/10/20, jmitchell.nc--- via Contra Callers
 wrote:
> I'm a big fan of Rick Mohr's "Dance All Night". Its also good for teaching
> a grand R&L before doing a square. It's on his website.
>
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[Callers] Easy but super fun 4X4 contras

[jmitchell.nc--- via Contra Callers]

I'm a big fan of Rick Mohr's "Dance All Night". Its also good for teaching
a grand R&L before doing a square. It's on his website.
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[Callers] Easy but super fun 4X4 contras

[Emily Addison via Contra Callers]

Hi fellow contra callers :)

I was wondering if you have suggestions for very easy but SUPER FUN 4X4
contras.

I occasionally call to a room of quite new contra dancers and I'd like to
have a few 4X4 which have some kind of great hook or wonderful energy but
that are accessible.

Thanks for the consideration :)
Emily in Ottawa
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[Callers] Re: OT - Calling and US Taxes

[Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers]

You generally only need to pay estimated taxes if you're earning enough
from your calling that this is a major part of your overall income.  So I
don't pay estimated taxes, and just file my Schedule C (sole
proprietorship) with my contra dance income and expenses along with the
rest of our taxes.

Jeff

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:15 PM Joe Kwiatkowski via Contra Callers <
contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Slipped fingers. The IRS.gov website allows you to make estimated tax
> payments on line. You can also download the forms and instructions if you
> want. If you don't make a "profit" in your first three years, the IRS calls
> it a hobby. You still have to pay taxes, but you can't deduct expenses
> Find a tax shop or a book on small businesses. JKLasser has some good
> thouough books.
>
> Joe Kwiatkowski
>
> Sent from BlueMail 
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Don Veino via Contra Callers <
> contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money,
>> right? ;-)
>>
>> But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least
>> covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS may
>> expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.
>>
>> I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it
>> involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the income
>> and including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at the
>> Fed/State/Local level. The trick is *how*.
>>
>> Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct advice
>> on the topic?
>>
>> (Apologies for the intrusion of the *Real World* into our magic place...)
>>
>> --
>>
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[Callers] Re: OT - Calling and US Taxes

[Joe Kwiatkowski via Contra Callers]

Slipped fingers. The IRS.gov website allows you to make estimated tax payments 
on line. You can also download the forms and instructions if you want. If you 
don't make a "profit" in your first three years, the IRS calls it a hobby. You 
still have to pay taxes, but you can't deduct expenses   Find a tax shop or a 
book on small businesses. JKLasser has some good thouough books.

Joe Kwiatkowski

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On Jan 10, 2020, 5:06 PM, at 5:06 PM, Don Veino via Contra Callers 
 wrote:
>OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money,
>right? ;-)
>
>But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least
>covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS
>may
>expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.
>
>I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it
>involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the
>income
>and including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at
>the
>Fed/State/Local level. The trick is *how*.
>
>Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct
>advice
>on the topic?
>
>(Apologies for the intrusion of the *Real World* into our magic
>place...)
>
>
>
>
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[Callers] Re: OT - Calling and US Taxes

[Don Veino via Contra Callers]

Yes, of course that was my first stop. :-) And I found it dense in language
and not that helpful in the practical aspects of *Getting It Done*. If you
have a more specific link to a helpful guide to the topic I'll happily
follow it.

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:09 PM Joe Kwiatkowski  wrote:

> Did you look at irs.gov?
>
> Sent from BlueMail 
>
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[Callers] Re: OT - Calling and US Taxes

[Joe Kwiatkowski via Contra Callers]

Did you look at irs.gov?

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On Jan 10, 2020, 5:06 PM, at 5:06 PM, Don Veino via Contra Callers 
 wrote:
>OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money,
>right? ;-)
>
>But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least
>covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS
>may
>expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.
>
>I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it
>involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the
>income
>and including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at
>the
>Fed/State/Local level. The trick is *how*.
>
>Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct
>advice
>on the topic?
>
>(Apologies for the intrusion of the *Real World* into our magic
>place...)
>
>
>
>
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[Callers] OT - Calling and US Taxes

[Don Veino via Contra Callers]

OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money,
right? ;-)

But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least
covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS may
expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.

I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it
involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the income
and including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at the
Fed/State/Local level. The trick is *how*.

Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct advice
on the topic?

(Apologies for the intrusion of the *Real World* into our magic place...)
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