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I have lost track of this .. Is there any fix for it ? Bernard Damian Gatabria wrote: This leads me to believe that it *is* a new problem, but now you introduce doubt. And I had it so neatly wrapped up in a little package. Sigh. Perhaps it is an old problem that had been fixed but has returned? Jay hmm.. well i can't say i *did* something to encounter that issue, i simply bumped into it months ago while i was testing a bucketload of TTF fonts all over the system.. i don't recall ever updating the box in question (other than installing kde3), so it was probably stock freetype, and the s p a c i n g p r o b l e m seemed to get worse or much worse, according to the font i chose. The most problematic was gnome-terminal. after some time i gave up trying to fix it... the last time i tried to use it, it would create a window so wide it didn't fit in the screen. (1024x768 screen) Obviously not many people experienced this in 8.2, so it's possible that it showed up only under certain circumstances that i'm not able to guess.. Damian
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El Lun 25 Nov 2002 22:45, Bernard Varaine escribió: I have lost track of this .. Is there any fix for it ? Bernard Check this out, it was posted by Danny Tholen a few days ago. Damian hmm, I think this is what I meant to cover with point 5 of the section I wrote in the Fontdeuglification howto: 5 . My fixed fonts do not appear or look _very_ wrong in the KDE konsole or similar programs! I noted that somehow a lot of fixed font do not tell Xft that they are fixed, and thus, mono spaced. Therefore only a part of the font is displayed. We can manually set the spacing for these fonts (this assumes you have fixed aliased with mono as in question 3 above): match any family == mono edit spacing = mono; Note that this assumed fixed is aliased with mono! (otherwise replace the first mono with fixed. I do not had the time to try what is the correct way of doing this in the new fontconfig, but I'm sure you can find out:) Danny
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On Sunday 24 November 2002 05:08, Damian Gatabria wrote: By the way, my terminal fonts were s t r e t c h e d o u t l i k e t h i s until I set them to unicode. i've seen it too, however i was able to reproduce it with MDK 8.2, so it's no new issue. (konsole and gnome-terminal seem to have problems with TTF fonts.) hmm, I think this is what I meant to cover with point 5 of the section I wrote in the Fontdeuglification howto: 5 . My fixed fonts do not appear or look _very_ wrong in the KDE konsole or similar programs! I noted that somehow a lot of fixed font do not tell Xft that they are fixed, and thus, mono spaced. Therefore only a part of the font is displayed. We can manually set the spacing for these fonts (this assumes you have fixed aliased with mono as in question 3 above): match any family == mono edit spacing = mono; Note that this assumed fixed is aliased with mono! (otherwise replace the first mono with fixed. I do not had the time to try what is the correct way of doing this in the new fontconfig, but I'm sure you can find out:) Danny
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On Saturday 23 November 2002 11:08 pm, Damian Gatabria honored me with this communique: El Dom 24 Nov 2002 00:50, Jay DeKing escribió: On Saturday 23 November 2002 11:15 am, Buchan Milne honored me with this communique: On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Damian Gatabria wrote: El Sáb 23 Nov 2002 04:45, Bernard Varaine escribió: BTW fonts 9 and less don't show up in OO... but zooming fix the issue !!! heh. zooming IN seems to fix the issue, but going back to scale 100% (at least here) leaves you back with invisible fonts.. and then, if i keep zooming out, every other font starts dissapearing as well... Noting of course that OO.o sets AA by *pixel size* not by point size, you should probably just turn off AA in OO.o, or adjust the *pixel* size tha OO.o starts doing AA at. By default this is something like 8 pixels, while IMHO, it should really be more like 16 or 20. Buchan Hmm ... I don't use anti-aliasing. Haven't tried that for the OO problems. By the way, my terminal fonts were s t r e t c h e d o u t l i k e t h i s until I set them to unicode. i've seen it too, however i was able to reproduce it with MDK 8.2, so it's no new issue. (konsole and gnome-terminal seem to have problems with TTF fonts.) Damian How did you reproduce it with MDK 8.2? The reason I ask is, there was a sudden outbreak of this problem here on the cooker list when freetype2 was updated. Coincidence? Perhaps, but the problem happened *immediately* after the update. When I logged back in after updating freetype2, my konsole had the s t r e t c h e d font problem - though the assigned font was just the medium size from the Konsole menu, nothing TrueType about it, except that it looked like Courier (Bold), which I had not been using. I hadn't even been using a Courier font. In fact, since updating a few more packages from the cooker (not sure which one fixed the problem) I'm not using the Unicode font in Konsole, but rather the Adobe Courier (I change fonts a lot, and it felt right this time). The default Konsole fonts are still toast. This leads me to believe that it *is* a new problem, but now you introduce doubt. And I had it so neatly wrapped up in a little package. Sigh. Perhaps it is an old problem that had been fixed but has returned? Jay -- Drinking makes such fools of people, and people are such fools to begin with, that it's compounding a felony. -- Robert Benchley
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This leads me to believe that it *is* a new problem, but now you introduce doubt. And I had it so neatly wrapped up in a little package. Sigh. Perhaps it is an old problem that had been fixed but has returned? Jay hmm.. well i can't say i *did* something to encounter that issue, i simply bumped into it months ago while i was testing a bucketload of TTF fonts all over the system.. i don't recall ever updating the box in question (other than installing kde3), so it was probably stock freetype, and the s p a c i n g p r o b l e m seemed to get worse or much worse, according to the font i chose. The most problematic was gnome-terminal. after some time i gave up trying to fix it... the last time i tried to use it, it would create a window so wide it didn't fit in the screen. (1024x768 screen) Obviously not many people experienced this in 8.2, so it's possible that it showed up only under certain circumstances that i'm not able to guess.. Damian
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El Sáb 23 Nov 2002 04:45, Bernard Varaine escribió: BTW fonts 9 and less don't show up in OO... but zooming fix the issue !!! Oh, and just a side note... i rebuilt my X server (left it compiling over night) ... now my TTF fonts are back.. so my official statement regarding this problem is: !?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!? Damian
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El Sáb 23 Nov 2002 04:45, Bernard Varaine escribió: BTW fonts 9 and less don't show up in OO... but zooming fix the issue !!! heh. zooming IN seems to fix the issue, but going back to scale 100% (at least here) leaves you back with invisible fonts.. and then, if i keep zooming out, every other font starts dissapearing as well... Damian
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Damian Gatabria wrote: El Sáb 23 Nov 2002 04:45, Bernard Varaine escribió: BTW fonts 9 and less don't show up in OO... but zooming fix the issue !!! heh. zooming IN seems to fix the issue, but going back to scale 100% (at least here) leaves you back with invisible fonts.. and then, if i keep zooming out, every other font starts dissapearing as well... Noting of course that OO.o sets AA by *pixel size* not by point size, you should probably just turn off AA in OO.o, or adjust the *pixel* size tha OO.o starts doing AA at. By default this is something like 8 pixels, while IMHO, it should really be more like 16 or 20. Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] About OO vanishing posts, please try this!
Buchan Milne wrote: Noting of course that OO.o sets AA by *pixel size* not by point size, you should probably just turn off AA in OO.o, or adjust the *pixel* size tha OO.o starts doing AA at. By default this is something like 8 pixels, while IMHO, it should really be more like 16 or 20. Buchan Turning AA off make all font disappear turning it back on and chnaging the pixel size to 16 or 20 make only font size above 14 to be visible. chnaging it back down to 5 or less make font asspear until they 9 Bernard smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On Saturday 23 November 2002 11:15 am, Buchan Milne honored me with this communique: On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Damian Gatabria wrote: El Sáb 23 Nov 2002 04:45, Bernard Varaine escribió: BTW fonts 9 and less don't show up in OO... but zooming fix the issue !!! heh. zooming IN seems to fix the issue, but going back to scale 100% (at least here) leaves you back with invisible fonts.. and then, if i keep zooming out, every other font starts dissapearing as well... Noting of course that OO.o sets AA by *pixel size* not by point size, you should probably just turn off AA in OO.o, or adjust the *pixel* size tha OO.o starts doing AA at. By default this is something like 8 pixels, while IMHO, it should really be more like 16 or 20. Buchan Hmm ... I don't use anti-aliasing. Haven't tried that for the OO problems. By the way, my terminal fonts were s t r e t c h e d o u t l i k e t h i s until I set them to unicode. -- Drinking makes such fools of people, and people are such fools to begin with, that it's compounding a felony. -- Robert Benchley
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El Dom 24 Nov 2002 00:50, Jay DeKing escribió: On Saturday 23 November 2002 11:15 am, Buchan Milne honored me with this communique: On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Damian Gatabria wrote: El Sáb 23 Nov 2002 04:45, Bernard Varaine escribió: BTW fonts 9 and less don't show up in OO... but zooming fix the issue !!! heh. zooming IN seems to fix the issue, but going back to scale 100% (at least here) leaves you back with invisible fonts.. and then, if i keep zooming out, every other font starts dissapearing as well... Noting of course that OO.o sets AA by *pixel size* not by point size, you should probably just turn off AA in OO.o, or adjust the *pixel* size tha OO.o starts doing AA at. By default this is something like 8 pixels, while IMHO, it should really be more like 16 or 20. Buchan Hmm ... I don't use anti-aliasing. Haven't tried that for the OO problems. By the way, my terminal fonts were s t r e t c h e d o u t l i k e t h i s until I set them to unicode. i've seen it too, however i was able to reproduce it with MDK 8.2, so it's no new issue. (konsole and gnome-terminal seem to have problems with TTF fonts.) Damian
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Did try but no luck... Bernard Damian Gatabria wrote: El Vie 22 Nov 2002 01:38, Damian Gatabria escribió: El Vie 22 Nov 2002 01:23, Bernard Varaine escribió: cannot see any of menu in OO... and I don't know it well enough to try changing default font setup anyone can take me thru it .. Bernard dang. forgot an intermediate step. here it goes again. go to the sixth drop-down menu in the main toolbar. (that's counting from left to right) select the last option in that menu. expand the first tree. go to the 9th branch of that tree. you will see two drop-down lists. just type lucida on the second. push the first button at the bottom of the dialogue. if that doesn't work, repeat the same steps but this time type lucida on both the drop-down lists. HTH Damian
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reupdated Cooker today. install abiword at the same time and OO is workign again... fonts are visible again in UI... strange Bernard Varaine wrote: Did try but no luck... Bernard Damian Gatabria wrote: El Vie 22 Nov 2002 01:38, Damian Gatabria escribió: El Vie 22 Nov 2002 01:23, Bernard Varaine escribió: cannot see any of menu in OO... and I don't know it well enough to try changing default font setup anyone can take me thru it .. Bernard dang. forgot an intermediate step. here it goes again. go to the sixth drop-down menu in the main toolbar. (that's counting from left to right) select the last option in that menu. expand the first tree. go to the 9th branch of that tree. you will see two drop-down lists. just type lucida on the second. push the first button at the bottom of the dialogue. if that doesn't work, repeat the same steps but this time type lucida on both the drop-down lists. HTH Damian -- Digital Objects Ltd Internet security / Web hosting design / Web enabled applications PO Box 60510, Titirangi Waitakere City Phone: 0800 LETS DOIT (538736) Fax: +64 9 8128 368 www.digitalobjects.co.nz smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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El Sáb 23 Nov 2002 02:09, Bernard Varaine escribió: reupdated Cooker today. install abiword at the same time and OO is workign again... fonts are visible again in UI... strange ..wow! can you see fonts smaller than 8pt in OO and all? Damian
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On Thursday 21 November 2002 11:08 pm, Damian Gatabria honored me with this communique: About the fonts dissapearing in OO, i think i've narrowed the search for the bug a little bit. After upgrading to the latest freetype, all fonts size 8 or smaller are NOT rendered. Simply open up OO, type some stuff, change the font size to 8 or smaller and voila, the text goes away. Anyone else gets the same behavior? Damian My invisible fonts were size 10. Even pushing them up to 12 didn't make them visible; neither did increasing the cell sizes both vertically and horizontally. Changing the zoom ratio was the only workaround I have found. Jay -- Drinking makes such fools of people, and people are such fools to begin with, that it's compounding a felony. -- Robert Benchley
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My invisible fonts were size 10. Even pushing them up to 12 didn't make them visible; neither did increasing the cell sizes both vertically and horizontally. Changing the zoom ratio was the only workaround I have found. Jay So, these font glitches can vary so much i have recently installed kde 3.0.5 from the unsupported RPMS available (Therefore i upgraded Qt) and now i have neither AA nor TTF fonts! and any font smaller than 9pt is invisible here in OO... Apparently, the small fonts are invisible is related to freetype2 whereas all the rest of the weirdness is related to Qt, however: i tried to roll back to the old freetype2 i had been using, (a tweaked RPM made by Texstar) since an upgrade to freetype2 is what broke stuff first -- and my problem with fonts in OO persisted :o? So maybe Qt is to blame? Damian
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BTW fonts 9 and less don't show up in OO... but zooming fix the issue !!! Damian Gatabria wrote: My invisible fonts were size 10. Even pushing them up to 12 didn't make them visible; neither did increasing the cell sizes both vertically and horizontally. Changing the zoom ratio was the only workaround I have found. Jay So, these font glitches can vary so much i have recently installed kde 3.0.5 from the unsupported RPMS available (Therefore i upgraded Qt) and now i have neither AA nor TTF fonts! and any font smaller than 9pt is invisible here in OO... Apparently, the small fonts are invisible is related to freetype2 whereas all the rest of the weirdness is related to Qt, however: i tried to roll back to the old freetype2 i had been using, (a tweaked RPM made by Texstar) since an upgrade to freetype2 is what broke stuff first -- and my problem with fonts in OO persisted :o? So maybe Qt is to blame? Damian -- Digital Objects Ltd Internet security / Web hosting design / Web enabled applications PO Box 60510, Titirangi Waitakere City Phone: 0800 LETS DOIT (538736) Fax: +64 9 8128 368 www.digitalobjects.co.nz smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[Cooker] About OO vanishing posts, please try this!
About the fonts dissapearing in OO, i think i've narrowed the search for the bug a little bit. After upgrading to the latest freetype, all fonts size 8 or smaller are NOT rendered. Simply open up OO, type some stuff, change the font size to 8 or smaller and voila, the text goes away. Anyone else gets the same behavior? Damian
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cannot see any of menu in OO... and I don't know it well enough to try changing default font setup anyone can take me thru it .. Bernard Damian Gatabria wrote: About the fonts dissapearing in OO, i think i've narrowed the search for the bug a little bit. After upgrading to the latest freetype, all fonts size 8 or smaller are NOT rendered. Simply open up OO, type some stuff, change the font size to 8 or smaller and voila, the text goes away. Anyone else gets the same behavior? Damian
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El Vie 22 Nov 2002 01:23, Bernard Varaine escribió: cannot see any of menu in OO... and I don't know it well enough to try changing default font setup anyone can take me thru it .. Bernard sure. go to the sixth drop-down menu in the main toolbar. (that's counting from left to right) select the last option in that menu. expand the first tree. you will see two drop-down lists. just type lucida on the second. push the first button at the bottom of the dialogue. if that doesn't work, repeat the same steps but this time type lucida on both the drop-down lists. HTH Damian
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El Vie 22 Nov 2002 01:38, Damian Gatabria escribió: El Vie 22 Nov 2002 01:23, Bernard Varaine escribió: cannot see any of menu in OO... and I don't know it well enough to try changing default font setup anyone can take me thru it .. Bernard dang. forgot an intermediate step. here it goes again. go to the sixth drop-down menu in the main toolbar. (that's counting from left to right) select the last option in that menu. expand the first tree. go to the 9th branch of that tree. you will see two drop-down lists. just type lucida on the second. push the first button at the bottom of the dialogue. if that doesn't work, repeat the same steps but this time type lucida on both the drop-down lists. HTH Damian
