Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 04:08, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. IIRC for GC it would be handsome guys delivering refreshments between bouts of perfect coding. :) How rumours can spread.. I just remember a post by one of your current or former workmates saying something about it. If I'm out of line just smack me around a little. :) Kind of things that are dangerous to believe when they come second-hand, especially from a male/childish set of coworkers :). Oh! After all the things we lived together! You are so rude! -- Warly
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:08, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IIRC for GC it would be handsome guys delivering refreshments between bouts of perfect coding. :) How rumours can spread.. They're probably just jealous because nobody's offered _them_ pretty girls to help with their coding. I know a few, and they're all too busy being geniuses (wunderkind) to want to move somewhere where a computer becomes an ordinateur for no good reason. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:08, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Kind of things that are dangerous to believe when they come second-hand, especially from a male/childish set of coworkers :). Agree. After what I was once accused of by allegedly sober mature adults, being declared gay would be fairly mild. Besides, any accuser'd be struggling to find anyone who (a) knew me and (b) believed them. (-: I've suffered three rounds of serious conviction by rumour so far in my life, perhaps the funniest was being accused of sleeping with a cousin (although nobody would ever actually come out and say it) who subsequently fell pregnant* by another completely different cousin who, it later turned out, had been shafting her for many years. Very pretty girl, great friend too, would make an outstanding programmer if she ever decided to do that. The rumours continued even after both the cousin concerned *and* my wife had roundly abused the principal rumour mongers, but they stopped fairly smartly not long before the delivery. Cheers; Leon * French is bizarre, English is much worse. What do we say, Oops, I tripped and fell pregnant? (-:
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: keeping the Drakes happy
On 7 Nov 2003, [iso-8859-15] François Pons wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there anything that either Mandrake or we could do to make your job noticeably more survivable? Thanks Leon for your though... Well, I'am not actually completely dead :) There are still some parts of me trying to continue to live :) I'am not working on the dark side, should I have to say it :) Still, sad to see you go, hopefully you'll find the time to keep contributing! d.
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. IIRC for GC it would be handsome guys delivering refreshments between bouts of perfect coding. :) How rumours can spread.. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: keeping the Drakes happy
Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:29, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As of now, there is no room for hiring or paying more. What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? I don't understand. Is there anything that either Mandrake or we could do to make your job noticeably more survivable? Ah I see now. Well I think not. We feel very lucky to work for Mandrake actually, a very versatile and enjoyable work. And we never forget we get paid for what we do, where a large number of contributors just help us for free. So we don't complain much. Well actually I speak for myself and a few others, of course other developers may/will think differently :). I live on the other side of the planet, so I have no idea what would make your day, or the collective day of the crew at your office. Messages of encouragement? Photos of Pascal's nice girls with offers of hospitality for your next holiday? Surprise free pizza (or French equivalent? Crepes? Give us a head count and preferences, invite fpons along too) for lunch? Free food and accommodation for any Drake that attends LCA2004? Thanks for the proposals :). Each time we *don't* install MS-Windows and MS-Office, we save ourselves roughly USD$400 in licence fees (MS SQL Server? I don't have that much money). If we put aside just 10% of that each time into a keep the Drakes happy fund and 2% towards club membership then we still save 88% and just the crew reading this list (call it 100 people installing an average of one system a month and you get USD$48,000 a year in the slush fund plus USD$9600 a year to the Club) ought to be able to employ a Drake or two by themselves - or keep the existing Drakes swamped in luxuries. (-: I guess good money from free software fans should go to Mandrake or to GNU (or to Debian, etc). We employees are already paid, let's not forget that's first a job we chose. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: keeping the Drakes happy
Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somehow I think that pizza is also available and well liked in France. Yes (by younger people mostly). I'm sure they don't snack on coq au vin and gaufres for lunch, just like We actually snack much on sandwiches with french baguette. Very few pizzas and burgers for lunch. the cafeteria here at York doesn't serve bangers and mash or prime rib with horseradish and Yorkshire pudding very often. Kinda wish they did though. Could be enjoyable (Yorkshire pudding rulz - got friends near Ipswich/UK). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. IIRC for GC it would be handsome guys delivering refreshments between bouts of perfect coding. :) How rumours can spread.. May I forward his mail to some Swiss people I'm thinking about ? :-)
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 04:08, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. IIRC for GC it would be handsome guys delivering refreshments between bouts of perfect coding. :) How rumours can spread.. I just remember a post by one of your current or former workmates saying something about it. If I'm out of line just smack me around a little. :) -- Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Uncompensated Mandrake Guinea Pigs, Inc.
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 04:08, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. IIRC for GC it would be handsome guys delivering refreshments between bouts of perfect coding. :) How rumours can spread.. I just remember a post by one of your current or former workmates saying something about it. If I'm out of line just smack me around a little. :) Kind of things that are dangerous to believe when they come second-hand, especially from a male/childish set of coworkers :). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: keeping the Drakes happy
Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there anything that either Mandrake or we could do to make your job noticeably more survivable? Thanks Leon for your though... Well, I'am not actually completely dead :) There are still some parts of me trying to continue to live :) I'am not working on the dark side, should I have to say it :) Francois.
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As of now, there is no room for hiring or paying more. What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? I don't understand. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As of now, there is no room for hiring or paying more. What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? I don't understand. Maybe he plans to provide you with nice girls bringing coffee or tea to your desk :-)
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 16:47:28 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? I don't understand. Maybe he plans to provide you with nice girls bringing coffee or tea to your desk :-) What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. -- What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), Non-Violence in Peace and War
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 09:52, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 16:47:28 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? I don't understand. Maybe he plans to provide you with nice girls bringing coffee or tea to your desk :-) What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. IIRC for GC it would be handsome guys delivering refreshments between bouts of perfect coding. :) There really wasn't a need for you to be quite so rude, Gotz. He was just being friendly. -- Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Uncompensated Mandrake Beta Testers, Inc.
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Götz Waschk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 16:47:28 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? I don't understand. Maybe he plans to provide you with nice girls bringing coffee or tea to your desk :-) What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. I would prefer too, but it's really more difficult to find :-)
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 17:14:42 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Götz Waschk wrote: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. I would prefer too, but it's really more difficult to find :-) Depends on where you're looking. When I was a CS student, there were almost no females, but this has changed a bit. In my Processor Architecture class there is 1/3 female students, so there might be a new generation of coding girls. -- What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), Non-Violence in Peace and War
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Götz Waschk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 17:14:42 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Götz Waschk wrote: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. I would prefer too, but it's really more difficult to find :-) Depends on where you're looking. When I was a CS student, there were almost no females, but this has changed a bit. In my Processor Architecture class there is 1/3 female students, so there might be a new generation of coding girls. Impressive ! Here that didn't change :/
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pascal Terjan wrote: Götz Waschk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 17:14:42 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Götz Waschk wrote: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. But if they write good code, it means they need to be paid more ... I would prefer too, but it's really more difficult to find :-) Depends on where you're looking. When I was a CS student, there were almost no females, but this has changed a bit. In my Processor Architecture class there is 1/3 female students, so there might be a new generation of coding girls. Impressive ! Here that didn't change :/ You think CS is bad? We (B.Eng - Mech) started with 80 guys and 4 girls (one more joined us in 2nd year), 25 guys and no girls graduated at the end of the 4 year course. 3 girls left Engineering, 2 changed to Industrial. Chem eng, Industrial, Civil and Eletrical are a bit better off (in that order, Chem eng has the highest proportion). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qn1orJK6UGDSBKcRAi16AJ9F/YuVIUwKrAjFHZeVZNtHdXGkfgCgjmLS BLp9QBXWDU8+Y/K64qNEjSw= =ukgZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On 11/06/2003 11:57:13 AM, Buchan Milne wrote: You think CS is bad? We (B.Eng - Mech) started with 80 guys and 4 girls (one more joined us in 2nd year), 25 guys and no girls graduated at the end of the 4 year course. 3 girls left Engineering, 2 changed to Industrial. Wow. Here in Canada, university enrollment is like 60% female IIRC. In science, it isn't quite as good, more like 50%. Graduate school in science, more like 40%, but still not bad at all. Go Canada! Austin
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Thu Nov 06 11:58 -0500, Austin wrote: On 11/06/2003 11:57:13 AM, Buchan Milne wrote: You think CS is bad? We (B.Eng - Mech) started with 80 guys and 4 girls (one more joined us in 2nd year), 25 guys and no girls graduated at the end of the 4 year course. 3 girls left Engineering, 2 changed to Industrial. Wow. Here in Canada, university enrollment is like 60% female IIRC. In science, it isn't quite as good, more like 50%. Graduate school in science, more like 40%, but still not bad at all. Go Canada! In the US, it's a similar overall ratio, but most of the female enrollment is in the mushy liberal arts... CS and a few of the engineering disciplines are about all that keeps the 55 females for 45 males ratio from getting even more skewed. Indeed, some of the exclusively liberal arts schools are actually having to institute admissions preferences for males to ensure some level of diversity on campus... -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fate is just the weight of circumstances... Currently playing: Led Zeppelin - In Through the Out Door - Fool In Th Linux 2.4.22-8mdk 12:37:00 up 10:37, 7 users, load average: 0.22, 0.13, 0.05
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Austin wrote: On 11/06/2003 11:57:13 AM, Buchan Milne wrote: You think CS is bad? We (B.Eng - Mech) started with 80 guys and 4 girls (one more joined us in 2nd year), 25 guys and no girls graduated at the end of the 4 year course. 3 girls left Engineering, 2 changed to Industrial. Wow. Here in Canada, university enrollment is like 60% female IIRC. In science, it isn't quite as good, more like 50%. Graduate school in science, more like 40%, but still not bad at all. Go Canada! nah..it means there not much smart guys in Canada :P d.
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On 11/06/2003 01:24:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. Here in Canada, university enrollment is like 60% female IIRC. In science, it isn't quite as good, more like 50%. Graduate school in science, more like 40%, but still not bad at all. Go Canada! nah..it means there not much smart guys in Canada :P That's funny Danny. I wrote that and then deleted it before I send the message. :-) Austin
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: sexy tea ladies
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:52, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 16:47:28 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Maybe he plans to provide you with nice girls bringing coffee or tea to your desk :-) What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. When I started Engineering at the University of Western Australia in 1980, there were four very popular girls out of about 600 engineering students. Now I think the enrolments are closer to 60/40%. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: keeping the Drakes happy
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:29, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As of now, there is no room for hiring or paying more. What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? I don't understand. Is there anything that either Mandrake or we could do to make your job noticeably more survivable? I live on the other side of the planet, so I have no idea what would make your day, or the collective day of the crew at your office. Messages of encouragement? Photos of Pascal's nice girls with offers of hospitality for your next holiday? Surprise free pizza (or French equivalent? Crepes? Give us a head count and preferences, invite fpons along too) for lunch? Free food and accommodation for any Drake that attends LCA2004? Each time we *don't* install MS-Windows and MS-Office, we save ourselves roughly USD$400 in licence fees (MS SQL Server? I don't have that much money). If we put aside just 10% of that each time into a keep the Drakes happy fund and 2% towards club membership then we still save 88% and just the crew reading this list (call it 100 people installing an average of one system a month and you get USD$48,000 a year in the slush fund plus USD$9600 a year to the Club) ought to be able to employ a Drake or two by themselves - or keep the existing Drakes swamped in luxuries. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:40, Levi Ramsey wrote: In the US, it's a similar overall ratio, but most of the female enrollment is in the mushy liberal arts... CS and a few of the As a historian, I feel bound to say... watch it, pal ;) -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons: keeping the Drakes happy
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:32, Leon Brooks wrote: Surprise free pizza (or French equivalent? Crepes? LOL. Damn that was funny! Somehow I think that pizza is also available and well liked in France. I'm sure they don't snack on coq au vin and gaufres for lunch, just like the cafeteria here at York doesn't serve bangers and mash or prime rib with horseradish and Yorkshire pudding very often. Kinda wish they did though. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca
[Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:21, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Francois has stopped working for Mandrake. He's not anymore a MandrakeSoft employee since Mon 3 Nov. How long before Mandrake can afford to pay enough wages to make the stress worthwhile? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:21, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Francois has stopped working for Mandrake. He's not anymore a MandrakeSoft employee since Mon 3 Nov. How long before Mandrake can afford to pay enough wages to make the stress worthwhile? The company is fully commited to building the necessary environment to get out of the current observation and protection period from the French Commercial Court. January 2004 should be the climax. As of now, there is no room for hiring or paying more. But you know that most employees at technical department are almost as concerned with Linux stuff as the many contributors out there, which allows for not only considering wages in the job offer. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:26, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:21, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Francois has stopped working for Mandrake. He's not anymore a MandrakeSoft employee since Mon 3 Nov. How long before Mandrake can afford to pay enough wages to make the stress worthwhile? The company is fully commited to building the necessary environment to get out of the current observation and protection period from the French Commercial Court. January 2004 should be the climax. Three months. Oh, well, hopefully the rest of you can hold fast. As of now, there is no room for hiring or paying more. What else would make Mandrake a more attractive workplace for you? But you know that most employees at technical department are almost as concerned with Linux stuff as the many contributors out there, which allows for not only considering wages in the job offer. True. Cheers; Leon
