Re: [COOT] problem with refining DNA

2010-02-04 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
Le 4 févr. 2010 à 04:37, Norman Zhu a écrit :

 hello there
 
   I am in the process of refining a protein structure complexed to DNA
 promoter site.  I ran into difficulty as i try to move a few bases into
 patch of electron density that is obviously meant for them.  dragging the
 bases with real space refine zone and/or regularize zone neither break open
 the phosphate back bone bounds or turn everything into knots.  
   I know there is nothing wrong with the naming convention of my bases
 since I changed them from DT to Td after similar blog.  
  Any suggestion on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Norm
 

Hi Norm,

Depending on the resolution of your data you may need to turn down the matrix 
weight in refinement parameters. I tipically put this down to 30 (compared to 
the default value of 60) and for really lower resolution (say 3 or worse) I may 
go as down as 20.

HTH,


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Re: [COOT] problem with refining DNA

2010-02-04 Thread Paul Emsley

Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote:

Le 4 févr. 2010 à 04:37, Norman Zhu a écrit :

  

hello there

  I am in the process of refining a protein structure complexed to DNA
promoter site.  I ran into difficulty as i try to move a few bases into
patch of electron density that is obviously meant for them.  dragging the
bases with real space refine zone and/or regularize zone neither break open
the phosphate back bone bounds or turn everything into knots.  
  I know there is nothing wrong with the naming convention of my bases
since I changed them from DT to Td after similar blog.  
 Any suggestion on this matter would be greatly appreciated.


Norm




Hi Norm,

Depending on the resolution of your data you may need to turn down the matrix 
weight in refinement parameters. I tipically put this down to 30 (compared to 
the default value of 60) and for really lower resolution (say 3 or worse) I may 
go as down as 20.

  


I frequently use 6.0 or even 2.0 sometimes.

Paul


Re: [COOT] problem with refining DNA

2010-02-04 Thread Mark A. White
FYI,  

I just used a Matrix Weight of 2.0e-5, yes that's a weight of 0.2,
on a rather poor 2.9A map generated from a PHS file (XtalView format
text filecreated from the CNS omitmap.coeff map output).  I have not
noted any real problems with REFMAC generated MTZ files, so the
weighting must be optimized for REFMAC generated maps.

Mark


On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 06:22 -0600, Paul Emsley wrote:

 Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote:
  Le 4 févr. 2010 à 04:37, Norman Zhu a écrit :
 

  hello there
 
I am in the process of refining a protein structure complexed to DNA
  promoter site.  I ran into difficulty as i try to move a few bases into
  patch of electron density that is obviously meant for them.  dragging the
  bases with real space refine zone and/or regularize zone neither break open
  the phosphate back bone bounds or turn everything into knots.  
I know there is nothing wrong with the naming convention of my bases
  since I changed them from DT to Td after similar blog.  
   Any suggestion on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
 
  Norm
 
  
 
  Hi Norm,
 
  Depending on the resolution of your data you may need to turn down the 
  matrix weight in refinement parameters. I tipically put this down to 30 
  (compared to the default value of 60) and for really lower resolution (say 
  3 or worse) I may go as down as 20.
 

 
 I frequently use 6.0 or even 2.0 sometimes.
 
 Paul


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[COOT] problem with refining DNA

2010-02-03 Thread Norman Zhu
hello there

   I am in the process of refining a protein structure complexed to DNA
promoter site.  I ran into difficulty as i try to move a few bases into
patch of electron density that is obviously meant for them.  dragging the
bases with real space refine zone and/or regularize zone neither break open
the phosphate back bone bounds or turn everything into knots.  
   I know there is nothing wrong with the naming convention of my bases
since I changed them from DT to Td after similar blog.  
  Any suggestion on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Norm