Re: [coreboot] Are any Chromebooks able to run fully libre?

2014-01-04 Thread Sam Kuper
On Jan 4, 2014 12:56 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:

 Sam Kuper wrote:
  Brossard

 Not a very nice word around here.

Sorry; I didn't know there was bad feeling.

 Don't take people's word for things, Sam, but do more research yourself.

 The internet and even people presenting at conferences are not
 indisputable sources.

Very much agreed; but we each have to start somewhere :)

 Brossard included the abbreviation PIC in one of the slides for his
 talk about how he supposedly created a backdoored BIOS (using an open
 source x86 firmware implementation).

 He identified PIC as one of the components on PC mainboards.

 Unfortunately he seems to think that PIC refers to the family of
 microcontrollers developed by Microchip instead of what it really
 refers to; something very different, a quite well-understood and
 rather fundamental component for everyone with strong knowledge about
 PC technology.

What would you recommend as a good primer (textbook; website; manual;
whatever) that would give someone with limited experience enough knowledge
to avoid making that mistake and others like it?

Many thanks,

Sam
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Re: [coreboot] Are any Chromebooks able to run fully libre?

2014-01-04 Thread Sam Kuper
On Jan 4, 2014 12:56 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:

 Sam Kuper wrote:
  Brossard

 Not a very nice word around here.

 Don't take people's word for things, Sam

For clarity, do you think Brossard was wrong about microcode? If so, please
could you explain why?

He and Blank - and indeed Stallman - aren't the only authorities who've
stated misgivings about (closed-source) microcode updates.

Thanks again,

Sam
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Re: [coreboot] Are any Chromebooks able to run fully libre?

2014-01-04 Thread David Hubbard
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:

 What would you recommend as a good primer (textbook; website; manual;
 whatever) that would give someone with limited experience enough knowledge
 to avoid making that mistake and others like it?

 I think Peter means the IBM PC architecture: the legacy layer on layer
from the original IBM PC to modern laptops. To a first approximation,
Coreboot can be considered an attempt to replace a big chunk of it with
free software, so I'd guess most people on this list would never confuse
the Programmable Interrupt Controller with the Microchip PIC CPU. After
Coreboot hands over control to the OS kernel, it's really amazing how much
abstraction hides the reality of the system from the OS. (And then the OS
hides even more details from userspace, and so forth.)

To directly answer what you asked, start here:
http://wiki.osdev.org/Main_Page - it may take a while, especially if you're
not the intended audience (writing a custom OS from scratch), but it's a
good overview.

Regards,
David
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Re: [coreboot] New laptop: Lenovo ThinkPad X230 tablet, with dumps to go with it

2014-01-04 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.09.2012 05:47, Keith Hui wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm back. With a new laptop.
 
 I'm now rocking a Lenovo x230 tablet,

http://review.coreboot.org/#/c/4614/





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[coreboot] does coreboot support kvm WPCE775x other questions

2014-01-04 Thread dhan.war

hi all

i am using toshiba satellite c850d-m5010. the kvm is disabled by default 
in BIOS. it seems to me that many laptop manufacturers does not fully 
support kvm.


my output of the superiotool :
# superiotool
superiotool r6637
Found Nuvoton WPCE775x / NPCE781x (id=0x00, rev=0x01) at 0x2e

i did a search on website  it points to me 2 links only [[a]  [b]].
the link [a] is silent about BIOS  CB.
the link [b] is silent about datasheets  comment.

the output of superiotool -V also states that dump is available.

there is also a request to add WPCE775x on mailing list [c]  there 
seems to no answer to the thread.


my questions:
[1] does coreboot support kvm ?
[2] can i install coreboot on Nuvoton WPCE775x / NPCE781x ?
[3] does the support for Nuvoton WPCE775x / NPCE781x is added in coreboot ?
[4] what does the dump available mean in output of superiotool -V ?

if you need any further information please let me know. please also 
provide appropriate commands if it involves any packages.


thank you reading the message patiently. even though i am subscribed to 
mailing list, please always cc me.


[a] http://www.coreboot.org/Superiotool
[b] http://www.coreboot.org/Embedded_controller
[c] http://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2010-July/059274.html

regards,
dhan.war

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Re: [coreboot] does coreboot support kvm WPCE775x other questions

2014-01-04 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello!
Can you enable the KVM functions?
 Part of the problem with laptops is that there is a thing on them
called an Embedded Controller, EC for short. Those devices do all of
the housekeeping chores that the main system has delegated to them.
For example certain functions are on it.

To that end most laptops aren't supported because these devices are
proprietary in their designs and the programing of them.
-
Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com
This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again.


On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:55 AM, dhan.war wardhan.v@gmail.com wrote:
 hi all

 i am using toshiba satellite c850d-m5010. the kvm is disabled by default in
 BIOS. it seems to me that many laptop manufacturers does not fully support
 kvm.

 my output of the superiotool :
 # superiotool
 superiotool r6637
 Found Nuvoton WPCE775x / NPCE781x (id=0x00, rev=0x01) at 0x2e

 i did a search on website  it points to me 2 links only [[a]  [b]].
 the link [a] is silent about BIOS  CB.
 the link [b] is silent about datasheets  comment.

 the output of superiotool -V also states that dump is available.

 there is also a request to add WPCE775x on mailing list [c]  there seems to
 no answer to the thread.

 my questions:
 [1] does coreboot support kvm ?
 [2] can i install coreboot on Nuvoton WPCE775x / NPCE781x ?
 [3] does the support for Nuvoton WPCE775x / NPCE781x is added in coreboot ?
 [4] what does the dump available mean in output of superiotool -V ?

 if you need any further information please let me know. please also provide
 appropriate commands if it involves any packages.

 thank you reading the message patiently. even though i am subscribed to
 mailing list, please always cc me.

 [a] http://www.coreboot.org/Superiotool
 [b] http://www.coreboot.org/Embedded_controller
 [c] http://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2010-July/059274.html

 regards,
 dhan.war

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