Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
Thank you both for your responses. I hope I'm not beating the question to death here, but is it possible to reverse engineer closed information on things like Intel MBs' memory controller registers? On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:16 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: How long does it take? You need to do this in stages. - take a supported board, make some change to it (change the print messages!), do the full build/burn/test - take a new board, but which is almost identical to a supported board, do it again - take a new board, with some new chip, do it again. And then you're almost ready. And, you almost certainly still can't do it if it's a new intel part, with ONE exception: you can shoot for a board with an FSP-supported chipset, or you could do the Quark, which would be truly wonderful to have. Or you could go for an ARM board. Want to help with one? Or an AMD board, which generally is far more friendly in the x86 world than Intel at present. ron -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:16:31 PM ron minnich wrote: you can shoot for a board with an FSP-supported chipset, or you could Please avoid FSP like the plague. Programatically, it will be the worst pain you will have ever dealt with. do the Quark, which would be truly wonderful to have. Quark comes with firmware source code IIRC. Shouldn't be hard to integrate that under vendorcode/ and do a proper coreboot port. Alex -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:41 AM, lee.changhan changhan...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you both for your responses. I hope I'm not beating the question to death here, but is it possible to reverse engineer closed information on things like Intel MBs' memory controller registers? How much time do you have? Given enough time and money it can be done. ron -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
ron minnich wrote: you could do the Quark, which would be truly wonderful to have. mrnuke wrote: Quark comes with firmware source code IIRC. I read a little about the quark soc and it seems to have some pretty tight signature checks on firmware. I got the impression that it was unpossible to use any other firmware than the UEFI it comes with. //Peter -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: I read a little about the quark soc and it seems to have some pretty tight signature checks on firmware. I got the impression that it was unpossible to use any other firmware than the UEFI it comes with. I'm forwarding a question to intel. ron -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: I read a little about the quark soc and it seems to have some pretty tight signature checks on firmware. I got the impression that it was unpossible to use any other firmware than the UEFI it comes with. Word from Intel: hook up a dediprog and reprogram. The signature check only applies if UEFI is controlling the flashing. Likely for secure boot parts... Should not be for base (non-ecc and non secure). For Galileo, hook up dediprog and reprogram. Sounds like a documentation clarification is needed on release notes. So we're good to go. Makes sense, there's no EC on galileo, it's more like our original targets (e.g. i440bx) than the newer stuff. It's a nice simple embedded CPU. ron -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
ron minnich wrote: On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: I read a little about the quark soc and it seems to have some pretty tight signature checks on firmware. I got the impression that it was unpossible to use any other firmware than the UEFI it comes with. Word from Intel: hook up a dediprog and reprogram. https://communities.intel.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadBody/21828-102-2-25120/329676_QuarkDatasheet.pdf https://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-21828 The top of page 38 (1.2 Component Overview) reads: To enable secure applications, the SoC features an on-die Boot ROM that is used to establish a hardware Root of Trust (RoT). The immutable code located within the Boot ROM is used to initiate an iterative firmware authentication process ensuring only trusted code is executed when taking the platform out of reset. Sounds like a documentation clarification is needed on release notes. Sounds like it.. //Peter -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 04:53:26 PM Peter Stuge wrote: mrnuke wrote: Quark comes with firmware source code IIRC. I read a little about the quark soc and it seems to have some pretty tight signature checks on firmware. I got the impression that it was unpossible to use any other firmware than the UEFI it comes with. Hey, if you can modify the firmware at will, you can kill those checks. I don't remember where I found the source. Someone on IRC pointed it out. IIRC, it was a non-copyleft license, similar to BSD. For someone that has both the time and knowledge, it's worth a shot to port coreboot to it. The board is only $60. It's one of those things where the sum of the parts blows up... We ask intel to tell us how to init their memory controller... they tell us how to init their memory controller on the quark... we ignore the quark because of unverified concerns. This is a pretty good chance to tell intel, libre software works, bitch! rather than have them tell us open source doesn't work, bitch! You all think about it, Alex -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 08:26:46 PM Peter Stuge wrote: the SoC features an on-die Boot ROM that is used to establish a hardware Root of Trust (RoT). RoT sounds about right. Alex -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
So I'm continuing my discussion with intel, they are being quite responsive. Peter, thanks for pushing on this, we need the answer! ron -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
ron minnich wrote: So I'm continuing my discussion with intel, they are being quite responsive. Peter, thanks for pushing on this, we need the answer! I'm looking forward to the outcome of the discussion! //Peter -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
It's not the time that's the biggest issue here, it's the documentation. Since around the time of the i945 chipset, Intel has stopped sharing data crucial to coreboot development, mainly the location and configuration information on the memory controller registers, these docs are now only available under a very high level NDA, possibly internal-only. This is now stuffed into their MRC code and part of a binary blob. For this reason, coreboot is mostly aimed at AMD-based systems these days. AMD has been very supportive of the coreboot project. -Corey -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
[coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
Hi, I have some info about my motherboard here according to the FAQ page to see if anyone can tell me about the compatibility between my BIOS and coreboot. 1. Gigabyte GA-Z77-HD3 Motherboard Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz 2. lspci -tvnn -[:00]-+-00.0 Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller [8086:0150] +-01.0-[01]--+-00.0 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450] [1002:6779] |\-00.1 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6400 Series] [1002:aa98] +-14.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller [8086:1e31] +-16.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 [8086:1e3a] +-1a.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 [8086:1e2d] +-1b.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1e20] +-1c.0-[02]-- +-1c.2-[03]00.0 Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] +-1c.3-[04-05]00.0-[05]-- +-1d.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 [8086:1e26] +-1f.0 Intel Corporation Z77 Express Chipset LPC Controller [8086:1e44] +-1f.2 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 4-port SATA Controller [IDE mode] [8086:1e00] +-1f.3 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller [8086:1e22] \-1f.5 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 2-port SATA Controller [IDE mode] [8086:1e08] 3. superiotool -dV superiotool r6637 Probing for ALi Super I/O at 0x3f0... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xff Probing for ALi Super I/O at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xff Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x8728, rev=0x1 Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=legacy/it8661f) at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=legacy/it8671f) at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x15c... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x164e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O at 0x164e... Failed. Returned data: chip_id=0x Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O (sid=0xfc) at 0x164e... Failed. Returned data: sid=0xff, id=0x, rev=0x00 Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: chip_id=0x Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O (sid=0xfc) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: sid=0xff, id=0x, rev=0x00 Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: chip_id=0x Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O (sid=0xfc) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: sid=0xff, id=0x, rev=0x00 Probing for SMSC Super I/O (idregs=0x20/0x21) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data:
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
On 03.02.2014 17:37, lee.changhan wrote: Hi, I have some info about my motherboard here according to the FAQ page to see if anyone can tell me about the compatibility between my BIOS and coreboot. Your motherboard is not compatible with coreboot. 1. Gigabyte GA-Z77-HD3 Motherboard Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz 2. lspci -tvnn -[:00]-+-00.0 Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller [8086:0150] +-01.0-[01]--+-00.0 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450] [1002:6779] |\-00.1 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6400 Series] [1002:aa98] +-14.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller [8086:1e31] +-16.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 [8086:1e3a] +-1a.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 [8086:1e2d] +-1b.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1e20] +-1c.0-[02]-- +-1c.2-[03]00.0 Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] +-1c.3-[04-05]00.0-[05]-- +-1d.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 [8086:1e26] +-1f.0 Intel Corporation Z77 Express Chipset LPC Controller [8086:1e44] +-1f.2 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 4-port SATA Controller [IDE mode] [8086:1e00] +-1f.3 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller [8086:1e22] \-1f.5 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 2-port SATA Controller [IDE mode] [8086:1e08] 3. superiotool -dV superiotool r6637 Probing for ALi Super I/O at 0x3f0... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xff Probing for ALi Super I/O at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xff Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x8728, rev=0x1 Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=legacy/it8661f) at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=legacy/it8671f) at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x15c... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x164e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O at 0x164e... Failed. Returned data: chip_id=0x Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O (sid=0xfc) at 0x164e... Failed. Returned data: sid=0xff, id=0x, rev=0x00 Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: chip_id=0x Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O (sid=0xfc) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: sid=0xff, id=0x, rev=0x00 Probing for Nuvoton Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data:
Re: [coreboot] Motherboard Not on Support MB List - Specs
Okay thanks. It also said on the FAQ it takes years to port to the motherboard. How long does it take programmers with low level C experience to port to a specific motherboard design? Also, is there a priority list of motherboards that coreboot is being port to? On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko phco...@gmail.com wrote: On 03.02.2014 17:37, lee.changhan wrote: Hi, I have some info about my motherboard here according to the FAQ page to see if anyone can tell me about the compatibility between my BIOS and coreboot. Your motherboard is not compatible with coreboot. 1. Gigabyte GA-Z77-HD3 Motherboard Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz 2. lspci -tvnn -[:00]-+-00.0 Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller [8086:0150] +-01.0-[01]--+-00.0 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450] [1002:6779] |\-00.1 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6400 Series] [1002:aa98] +-14.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller [8086:1e31] +-16.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 [8086:1e3a] +-1a.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 [8086:1e2d] +-1b.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1e20] +-1c.0-[02]-- +-1c.2-[03]00.0 Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] +-1c.3-[04-05]00.0-[05]-- +-1d.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 [8086:1e26] +-1f.0 Intel Corporation Z77 Express Chipset LPC Controller [8086:1e44] +-1f.2 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 4-port SATA Controller [IDE mode] [8086:1e00] +-1f.3 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller [8086:1e22] \-1f.5 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 2-port SATA Controller [IDE mode] [8086:1e08] 3. superiotool -dV superiotool r6637 Probing for ALi Super I/O at 0x3f0... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xff Probing for ALi Super I/O at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xff Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for Fintek Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: vid=0x, id=0x Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x25e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x8728, rev=0x1 Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=standard) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8502e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8761e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=it8228e) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=0x87,0x87) at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=legacy/it8661f) at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for ITE Super I/O (init=legacy/it8671f) at 0x370... Failed. Returned data: id=0x, rev=0xf Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x2e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x4e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x15c... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for NSC Super I/O at 0x164e... Failed. Returned data: port=0xff, port+1=0xff Probing for
