Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Looking for info on

[jeanette molloy via CoTyroneList]

Hi Pat, I wonder if your William and Ann Taggart could be William Taggart and 
Ann Sharp Or Shearp  who would be my gg great grandparents . My g grandfather 
born 1851 Thomas Taggart their son. I’ve nothing more on them except for what 
Elwyn has kindly sent me.. the only ancestry hint for Ann Sharp is from one of 
my fathers paternal cousins who got the info from me I have other siblings of 
Thomas Taggart and will send list tomorrow as it’s very late in Scotland 
Jeanette 

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> On 28 Jun 2020, at 02:21, Pat via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I’m also looking for some Taggart’s from Co Tyrone. My gggrandfather was 
> Francis Taggart. He is the only Francis Taggart in the Griffiths Valuation in 
> 1864. He lived in Liscloon Lower near Donaghedy.   His wife was Mary 
> Brisland. They were married in Cumber Upper on 02/12/1833 They came to the US 
> in 1880. Mary died six months after they arrives. His son, John Taggart, my 
> grandfather, came to the US in 1868. John married Margaret McKeever, who was 
> from Moneycannon, in NYC in 1872. Johns brothers were William and Francis, 
> who also came to the US. Francis’s parents were William and Ann Taggart. We 
> believe Williams parents were Francis and Dorothy Taggart who had Ann, 1758, 
> James,1760, John, 1767, William, 1769 and Margaret 1771. They lived in 
> Donaghmore or Castelcaulfield. The naming sequence looks right but I can’t 
> find anything on that side of the pond. Any suggestions?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 14:43, elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jeanette,
>> 
>> Thomas Taggart’s marriage in Glasgow in 1871 records that his parents were
>> William Taggart (farm labourer) and Ann Sharp and both were still alive at
>> that date.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Irish RC parish records on Ancestry have a record of a Letitia Taggart
>> baptised on 21.7.1846 to William Taggart & Ann Shearp in the parish of
>> Drumragh, Co Tyrone (Omagh). Those parish records only start in 1846, and
>> then there’s a gap 1847 to 1853 so if that’s your family and where Thomas
>> was born in 1851 there won't be a record of his baptism.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633038#page/5/mode/1up
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Note that Letitia’s baptism record says the father was protestant. So a
>> mixed marriage.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I searched to see if I could find a marriage or death in Ireland for
>> Letitia Taggart but without success. She may have died before 1864 in which
>> case there will be no record, or she may have left Ireland.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Griffiths Valuation for 1860 only has 1 William Taggart in Drumgath. He had
>> a share in a house in Fountain Lane, Omagh. Given that his occupation in
>> 1871 was stated to be a farm labourer, I’d wonder if that was the right
>> man, living in the middle of a town.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I looked for a possible death for William Taggart 1871 onwards and found
>> this one in 1884 in Castle Lane Omagh (aged 84), informant was his son
>> William.  Can’t say if it’s your family. Could be, but I'd need more
>> information to know.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06307/4808275.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Did your Thomas have a daughter named Letitia by any chance? (Families
>> tended to repeat names so it might be a clue, especially with a lightly
>> unusual name like Letitia).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can’t help you with James Griffen. Caldon might be Caledon but there’s no
>> James Griffen there in the 1860s in Griffiths.  Can you give us some dates
>> and other information to put this into context?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Elwyn
>> 
>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 21:09, jeanette molloy via CoTyroneList <
>>> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> James Griffen near Caldon looks like Emmaville
>>> Thomas Taggart 1851-1919 died Glasgow Scotland married to Ann McCulloch
>>> 1852-1901 death Glasgow Scotland. Connections to Pomeroy Co. Tyrone
>>> 
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Looking for info on

[Pat via CoTyroneList]

Hi. I’m also looking for some Taggart’s from Co Tyrone. My gggrandfather was 
Francis Taggart. He is the only Francis Taggart in the Griffiths Valuation in 
1864. He lived in Liscloon Lower near Donaghedy.   His wife was Mary Brisland. 
They were married in Cumber Upper on 02/12/1833 They came to the US in 1880. 
Mary died six months after they arrives. His son, John Taggart, my grandfather, 
came to the US in 1868. John married Margaret McKeever, who was from 
Moneycannon, in NYC in 1872. Johns brothers were William and Francis, who also 
came to the US. Francis’s parents were William and Ann Taggart. We believe 
Williams parents were Francis and Dorothy Taggart who had Ann, 1758, 
James,1760, John, 1767, William, 1769 and Margaret 1771. They lived in 
Donaghmore or Castelcaulfield. The naming sequence looks right but I can’t find 
anything on that side of the pond. Any suggestions?

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> On Jun 27, 2020, at 14:43, elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jeanette,
> 
> Thomas Taggart’s marriage in Glasgow in 1871 records that his parents were
> William Taggart (farm labourer) and Ann Sharp and both were still alive at
> that date.
> 
> 
> 
> Irish RC parish records on Ancestry have a record of a Letitia Taggart
> baptised on 21.7.1846 to William Taggart & Ann Shearp in the parish of
> Drumragh, Co Tyrone (Omagh). Those parish records only start in 1846, and
> then there’s a gap 1847 to 1853 so if that’s your family and where Thomas
> was born in 1851 there won't be a record of his baptism.
> 
> 
> 
> https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633038#page/5/mode/1up
> 
> 
> 
> Note that Letitia’s baptism record says the father was protestant. So a
> mixed marriage.
> 
> 
> 
> I searched to see if I could find a marriage or death in Ireland for
> Letitia Taggart but without success. She may have died before 1864 in which
> case there will be no record, or she may have left Ireland.
> 
> 
> 
> Griffiths Valuation for 1860 only has 1 William Taggart in Drumgath. He had
> a share in a house in Fountain Lane, Omagh. Given that his occupation in
> 1871 was stated to be a farm labourer, I’d wonder if that was the right
> man, living in the middle of a town.
> 
> 
> 
> I looked for a possible death for William Taggart 1871 onwards and found
> this one in 1884 in Castle Lane Omagh (aged 84), informant was his son
> William.  Can’t say if it’s your family. Could be, but I'd need more
> information to know.
> 
> 
> 
> https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06307/4808275.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> Did your Thomas have a daughter named Letitia by any chance? (Families
> tended to repeat names so it might be a clue, especially with a lightly
> unusual name like Letitia).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Can’t help you with James Griffen. Caldon might be Caledon but there’s no
> James Griffen there in the 1860s in Griffiths.  Can you give us some dates
> and other information to put this into context?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Elwyn
> 
>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 21:09, jeanette molloy via CoTyroneList <
>> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>> 
>> James Griffen near Caldon looks like Emmaville
>> Thomas Taggart 1851-1919 died Glasgow Scotland married to Ann McCulloch
>> 1852-1901 death Glasgow Scotland. Connections to Pomeroy Co. Tyrone
>> 
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList]

Rick, good topic. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the lessee is sometimes 
described as “Representatives of.“ May be to avoid having to draw up a new 
lease until it was absolutely necessary say when the lessor changed.

Peter

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> On 28 Jun 2020, at 6:20 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all …I've been having difficulty finding information concerning how 
> tenancy was passed along from generation to generation on the plantation 
> farms. What was the legal framework for inheriting the lease on the farm that 
> the family had been occupying … in our case for at least 150 years prior to 
> the land acts at the end of the 19th century? Hoping somebody might be able 
> to steer me somewhere on this issue.
> Also, any insight on how a decision was made within a family regarding which 
> son (or daughter) would assume responsibility for the lease?
> Thanks, as always …
>  Rick Smoll
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elwyn soutter 
> To: James McKane 
> Cc: Rick Smoll ; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
> 
> Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 8:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633
> 
> Rick, Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo”meaning “cow land.” 
> According to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”,a ballyboe was “A 
> small Irish land division which, before the plantation,represented the 
> territory within which several families worked the land.Although the real 
> area of the ballyboe varied greatly with the quality of theland, it was 
> assumed by the plantation surveyors to contain 60 acres ofprofitable land in 
> most areas of north-west Ulster. Many modern townlands haveevolved from these 
> ballyboes.” Not all land in Ireland was requisitionedby the Crown at the time 
> of the Plantation. At least a third remained in thehands of local Irish 
> landlords, normally provided they agreed to be loyal tothe Crown.  An obvious 
> example would bethe Maguires who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of land were 
> declared forfeitfollowing the 1641 uprising and reallocated. Details in the 
> Down survey: http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php Robinson spends 
> some time discussing theorigins of settler names in Tyrone, and to what 
> extent Scottish undertakers hadScots tenants, and English undertakers had 
> English tenants. The implicationbeing that they originated in their landlords 
> respective estates. However therewas evidently a lot of mixing. For example 
> on p122 he says:  The evidence of Scots settling outsidetheir allocated 
> baronies of Strabane and Mountjoy is supplemented by a statementof Lord 
> Audley’s in 1614 when he claimed that his estate of Finagh and Rarone inOmagh 
> barony had as many Scots as English in it. Although there is considerable 
> degree ofcontinuity between 1630 and 1666 in the distributional pattern of 
> Britishsettlement, and indeed in the persistence of English and Scottish 
> localities,the actual surnames on most estates did change dramatically. This 
> turnover ofpersonnel cannot be attributed simply to the ravages of the 1641 
> rebellion, forcomparable changes can be observed between 1622 and 1630. A 
> high degree oftenant mobility is a striking characteristic of plantation 
> settlement, despitethe continuity of settlement patterns.” He goes on to 
> discuss colonial spread. “In1622 the percentage of Scots on any Tyrone estate 
> was closely related towhether or not the estate was Scottish owned, and only 
> marginally related tothe physical distance from Londonderry as the natural 
> entry point for Scottishsettlers. However by 1630 the gap between the 
> statistical significance of thesetwo factors had narrowed, and by 1666 it was 
> the distance from Londonderrywhich was most significant. This supports the 
> model of colonization outlinedabove, whereby the process of direct 
> plantation, with subsequent internalmigration operated simultaneously with 
> that of colonial spread. Furthermore thecontention that colonial spread 
> became relatively more important than directplantation with time is also 
> supported.” (This continues for pages but you willhopefully get the general 
> drift.  Manysettlers in Tyrone and particularly the Scots arrived via 
> Londonderry and movedacross Tyrone. Some stayed put and some moved about. 
> After 40 years colonialspread meant that a significant percentage were no 
> longer in the place wherethey first settled). Loughterush is in the barony of 
> Omagh East.For me, the absence of Morrisons in that part of Tyrone in the 
> Muster Rolls (iec 1630) strongly suggests your ancestors must have there 
> arrived afterthat.  There’s only 1 Morison in Tyronein the Muster Rolls, a 
> Robert Morsion in Strabane barony. Perhaps your familywere connected to him 
> and moved south to Loughterush. So colonial spread? Your question is whether 
> Audley brought theMorisons over? I doubt he brought them over himself because 
> he 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Looking for info on

[elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList]

Jeanette,

Thomas Taggart’s marriage in Glasgow in 1871 records that his parents were
William Taggart (farm labourer) and Ann Sharp and both were still alive at
that date.



Irish RC parish records on Ancestry have a record of a Letitia Taggart
baptised on 21.7.1846 to William Taggart & Ann Shearp in the parish of
Drumragh, Co Tyrone (Omagh). Those parish records only start in 1846, and
then there’s a gap 1847 to 1853 so if that’s your family and where Thomas
was born in 1851 there won't be a record of his baptism.



https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633038#page/5/mode/1up



Note that Letitia’s baptism record says the father was protestant. So a
mixed marriage.



I searched to see if I could find a marriage or death in Ireland for
Letitia Taggart but without success. She may have died before 1864 in which
case there will be no record, or she may have left Ireland.



Griffiths Valuation for 1860 only has 1 William Taggart in Drumgath. He had
a share in a house in Fountain Lane, Omagh. Given that his occupation in
1871 was stated to be a farm labourer, I’d wonder if that was the right
man, living in the middle of a town.



I looked for a possible death for William Taggart 1871 onwards and found
this one in 1884 in Castle Lane Omagh (aged 84), informant was his son
William.  Can’t say if it’s your family. Could be, but I'd need more
information to know.



https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06307/4808275.pdf



Did your Thomas have a daughter named Letitia by any chance? (Families
tended to repeat names so it might be a clue, especially with a lightly
unusual name like Letitia).





Can’t help you with James Griffen. Caldon might be Caledon but there’s no
James Griffen there in the 1860s in Griffiths.  Can you give us some dates
and other information to put this into context?





Elwyn

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 21:09, jeanette molloy via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> James Griffen near Caldon looks like Emmaville
> Thomas Taggart 1851-1919 died Glasgow Scotland married to Ann McCulloch
> 1852-1901 death Glasgow Scotland. Connections to Pomeroy Co. Tyrone
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList]

Hello all …I've been having difficulty finding information concerning how 
tenancy was passed along from generation to generation on the plantation farms. 
What was the legal framework for inheriting the lease on the farm that the 
family had been occupying … in our case for at least 150 years prior to the 
land acts at the end of the 19th century? Hoping somebody might be able to 
steer me somewhere on this issue.
Also, any insight on how a decision was made within a family regarding which 
son (or daughter) would assume responsibility for the lease?
Thanks, as always …
  Rick Smoll


-Original Message-
From: elwyn soutter 
To: James McKane 
Cc: Rick Smoll ; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 

Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

Rick, Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo”meaning “cow land.” According 
to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”,a ballyboe was “A small Irish 
land division which, before the plantation,represented the territory within 
which several families worked the land.Although the real area of the ballyboe 
varied greatly with the quality of theland, it was assumed by the plantation 
surveyors to contain 60 acres ofprofitable land in most areas of north-west 
Ulster. Many modern townlands haveevolved from these ballyboes.” Not all land 
in Ireland was requisitionedby the Crown at the time of the Plantation. At 
least a third remained in thehands of local Irish landlords, normally provided 
they agreed to be loyal tothe Crown.  An obvious example would bethe Maguires 
who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of land were declared forfeitfollowing the 
1641 uprising and reallocated. Details in the Down survey: 
http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php Robinson spends some time 
discussing theorigins of settler names in Tyrone, and to what extent Scottish 
undertakers hadScots tenants, and English undertakers had English tenants. The 
implicationbeing that they originated in their landlords respective estates. 
However therewas evidently a lot of mixing. For example on p122 he says:  The 
evidence of Scots settling outsidetheir allocated baronies of Strabane and 
Mountjoy is supplemented by a statementof Lord Audley’s in 1614 when he claimed 
that his estate of Finagh and Rarone inOmagh barony had as many Scots as 
English in it. Although there is considerable degree ofcontinuity between 1630 
and 1666 in the distributional pattern of Britishsettlement, and indeed in the 
persistence of English and Scottish localities,the actual surnames on most 
estates did change dramatically. This turnover ofpersonnel cannot be attributed 
simply to the ravages of the 1641 rebellion, forcomparable changes can be 
observed between 1622 and 1630. A high degree oftenant mobility is a striking 
characteristic of plantation settlement, despitethe continuity of settlement 
patterns.” He goes on to discuss colonial spread. “In1622 the percentage of 
Scots on any Tyrone estate was closely related towhether or not the estate was 
Scottish owned, and only marginally related tothe physical distance from 
Londonderry as the natural entry point for Scottishsettlers. However by 1630 
the gap between the statistical significance of thesetwo factors had narrowed, 
and by 1666 it was the distance from Londonderrywhich was most significant. 
This supports the model of colonization outlinedabove, whereby the process of 
direct plantation, with subsequent internalmigration operated simultaneously 
with that of colonial spread. Furthermore thecontention that colonial spread 
became relatively more important than directplantation with time is also 
supported.” (This continues for pages but you willhopefully get the general 
drift.  Manysettlers in Tyrone and particularly the Scots arrived via 
Londonderry and movedacross Tyrone. Some stayed put and some moved about. After 
40 years colonialspread meant that a significant percentage were no longer in 
the place wherethey first settled). Loughterush is in the barony of Omagh 
East.For me, the absence of Morrisons in that part of Tyrone in the Muster 
Rolls (iec 1630) strongly suggests your ancestors must have there arrived 
afterthat.  There’s only 1 Morison in Tyronein the Muster Rolls, a Robert 
Morsion in Strabane barony. Perhaps your familywere connected to him and moved 
south to Loughterush. So colonial spread? Your question is whether Audley 
brought theMorisons over? I doubt he brought them over himself because he 
appears to haveacquired those lands from his uncle, Lord Castlehaven who was 
the originalUndertaker. The family were from Petersfield in Hampshire.  Morison 
is not a name particularly common inthat part of England so that would make me 
doubt they were Castlehaven tenantsin England. But I might be wrong.   Elwyn
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 01:21, James McKane  wrote:

A search of the CoTyroneIreland.com Tithe Applotment Index shows this entry

| MORRISON | Edward | 

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[jeanette molloy via CoTyroneList]

James Griffen near Caldon looks like Emmaville 
Thomas Taggart 1851-1919 died Glasgow Scotland married to Ann McCulloch 
1852-1901 death Glasgow Scotland. Connections to Pomeroy Co. Tyrone 

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[CoTyroneMailingList] George Kincaid (b abt 1805, Co Tyrone) and Matilde Long (b abt 1815, Co Donegal)

[Yvon Pitre via CoTyroneList]

Hi List.

 

Looking for any information on George Kincaid (b abt 1805 in Co Tyrone) and
Matilde Long (b abt 1815 in Co Donegal), who were enumerated on the Canada
Census 1861 (

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1861=pdf=4108520_00260
) as living in Johnson Parish, Queens County, New Brunswick, Canada. 

 

They are listed with their 10 children, aged 7 months to 23 years, all of
whom were born in Canada.  George and Matilda would probably have married
and arrived in Canada, not necessarily in that order, before 1938.  George's
religion is listed as Episcopalian and Matilda's in listed as Calvinist
Baptist. 

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Yvon Pitre

Fredericton, NB, Canada

  pi...@bellaliant.net

 



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