[CoTyroneMailingList] George Kincaid (b abt 1805 in Co Tyrone or Co Londonderry) and Matilde Long (b abt 1815 in Co Donegal)

[Y P via CoTyroneList]

This is a correction of my previous post, about George Kincaid and Matilde
Long.  Matilde was actually George's second wife.  Catherine Huggard was
his first wife, and George and Catherine had 4 children together.  Here is
that post:

"Looking for any information on George Kincaid (b abt 1805 in Co Tyrone)
and Matilde Long (b abt 1815 in Co Donegal), who were enumerated on the
Canada Census 1861 (<
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1861=pdf=4108520_00260
>
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1861=pdf=4108520_00260 )
as living in Johnson Parish, Queens County, New Brunswick, Canada.

They are listed with their 10 children, aged 7 months to 23 years, all
of whom were born in Canada.  George and Matilda would probably have married
and arrived in Canada, not necessarily in that order, before 1938.
George's religion is listed as Episcopalian and Matilda's is listed as
Calvinist Baptist."

Any information would be appreciated.

Yvon Pitre
Fredericton, NB, Canada
j.yvon@gmail.com


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList]

I just found an article at JSTOR entitled Primogeniture and Ultimogeniture in 
Rural Ireland. It seems there was some of both.Here's a brief excerpt:
"… there was no fixed rule or norm: the father simply chose among his sons the 
one most likely to become a successful farmer and other members of the family 
then acquiesced in the matter.
However, there was also tradition that it would go to the eldest son.
In the case of my Morrisons in Loughterush, I must assume that it was most 
typically the former, since the family managed to hang on to the leasehold for 
so many generations.


  Rick Smoll
 

-Original Message-
From: Don Chambers 
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List ; Rick 
Smoll 
Cc: Peter McKittrick 
Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2020 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

Wasn't the lease passed by the rules of primogeniture to the first born son?

On 6/27/2020 3:33 PM, Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList wrote:
> Rick, good topic. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the lessee is sometimes 
> described as “Representatives of.“ May be to avoid having to draw up a 
> new lease until it was absolutely necessary say when the lessor changed.
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 6:20 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all …I've been having difficulty finding information concerning how 
>> tenancy was passed along from generation to generation on the plantation 
>> farms. What was the legal framework for inheriting the lease on the farm 
>> that the family had been occupying … in our case for at least 150 years 
>> prior to the land acts at the end of the 19th century? Hoping somebody might 
>> be able to steer me somewhere on this issue.
>> Also, any insight on how a decision was made within a family regarding which 
>> son (or daughter) would assume responsibility for the lease?
>> Thanks, as always …
>>  Rick Smoll
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elwyn soutter 
>> To: James McKane 
>> Cc: Rick Smoll ; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
>> 
>> Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 8:21 pm
>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633
>>
>> Rick, Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo”meaning “cow land.” 
>> According to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”,a ballyboe was “A 
>> small Irish land division which, before the plantation,represented the 
>> territory within which several families worked the land.Although the real 
>> area of the ballyboe varied greatly with the quality of theland, it was 
>> assumed by the plantation surveyors to contain 60 acres ofprofitable land in 
>> most areas of north-west Ulster. Many modern townlands haveevolved from 
>> these ballyboes.” Not all land in Ireland was requisitionedby the Crown at 
>> the time of the Plantation. At least a third remained in thehands of local 
>> Irish landlords, normally provided they agreed to be loyal tothe Crown.  An 
>> obvious example would bethe Maguires who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of 
>> land were declared forfeitfollowing the 1641 uprising and reallocated. 
>> Details in the Down survey: 
>> http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.phpRobinson spends some time 
>> discussing theorigins of settler names in Tyrone, and to what extent 
>> Scottish undertakers hadScots tenants, and English undertakers had English 
>> tenants. The implicationbeing that they originated in their landlords 
>> respective estates. However therewas evidently a lot of mixing. For example 
>> on p122 he says:  The evidence of Scots settling outsidetheir allocated 
>> baronies of Strabane and Mountjoy is supplemented by a statementof Lord 
>> Audley’s in 1614 when he claimed that his estate of Finagh and Rarone 
>> inOmagh barony had as many Scots as English in it. Although there is 
>> considerable degree ofcontinuity between 1630 and 1666 in the distributional 
>> pattern of Britishsettlement, and indeed in the persistence of English and 
>> Scottish localities,the actual surnames on most estates did change 
>> dramatically. This turnover ofpersonnel cannot be attributed simply to the 
>> ravages of the 1641 rebellion, forcomparable changes can be observed between 
>> 1622 and 1630. A high degree oftenant mobility is a striking characteristic 
>> of plantation settlement, despitethe continuity of settlement patterns.” He 
>> goes on to discuss colonial spread. “In1622 the percentage of Scots on any 
>> Tyrone estate was closely related towhether or not the estate was Scottish 
>> owned, and only marginally related tothe physical distance from Londonderry 
>> as the natural entry point for Scottishsettlers. However by 1630 the gap 
>> between the statistical significance of thesetwo factors had narrowed, and 
>> by 1666 it was the distance from Londonderrywhich was most significant. This 
>> supports the model of colonization outlinedabove, whereby the process of 
>> direct plantation, with subsequent 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Looking for info on

[jeanette molloy via CoTyroneList]

Hi Elwyn and Pat, I’ve got William Taggart and Ann Sharp or Shearp,no dates.  
Then  my great grandfather ThomasTaggart 1852 - 27 th May 1919  and Ann 
McCulloch 1875-1901 my gran 
Their children, Annie Taggart 1875-1909 ,;  John Taggart 1881 I have his UK 
army papers; Ellen Taggart ; 1884-1954; Bridget Taggart 1887 ; thomas Taggart 
1888. 
Ive no siblings fir my ggf thomas Taggart 1851-27 th May 1919 
There’s a Hanna Sharp on Internet. I wonder if that coukd be Ann Sharp.  I’ve 
also found Mary Taggart Pat mentions. There’s also a Letitia Taggart and her 
mother is Mary.  On ancestry. I don’t know of them. 
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> On 28 Jun 2020, at 02:37, jeanette molloy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pat, I wonder if your William and Ann Taggart could be William Taggart 
> and Ann Sharp Or Shearp  who would be my gg great grandparents . My g 
> grandfather born 1851 Thomas Taggart their son. I’ve nothing more on them 
> except for what Elwyn has kindly sent me.. the only ancestry hint for Ann 
> Sharp is from one of my fathers paternal cousins who got the info from me I 
> have other siblings of Thomas Taggart and will send list tomorrow as it’s 
> very late in Scotland Jeanette 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 02:21, Pat via CoTyroneList 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I’m also looking for some Taggart’s from Co Tyrone. My gggrandfather 
>> was Francis Taggart. He is the only Francis Taggart in the Griffiths 
>> Valuation in 1864. He lived in Liscloon Lower near Donaghedy.   His wife was 
>> Mary Brisland. They were married in Cumber Upper on 02/12/1833 They came to 
>> the US in 1880. Mary died six months after they arrives. His son, John 
>> Taggart, my grandfather, came to the US in 1868. John married Margaret 
>> McKeever, who was from Moneycannon, in NYC in 1872. Johns brothers were 
>> William and Francis, who also came to the US. Francis’s parents were William 
>> and Ann Taggart. We believe Williams parents were Francis and Dorothy 
>> Taggart who had Ann, 1758, James,1760, John, 1767, William, 1769 and 
>> Margaret 1771. They lived in Donaghmore or Castelcaulfield. The naming 
>> sequence looks right but I can’t find anything on that side of the pond. Any 
>> suggestions?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 27, 2020, at 14:43, elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeanette,
>>> 
>>> Thomas Taggart’s marriage in Glasgow in 1871 records that his parents were
>>> William Taggart (farm labourer) and Ann Sharp and both were still alive at
>>> that date.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Irish RC parish records on Ancestry have a record of a Letitia Taggart
>>> baptised on 21.7.1846 to William Taggart & Ann Shearp in the parish of
>>> Drumragh, Co Tyrone (Omagh). Those parish records only start in 1846, and
>>> then there’s a gap 1847 to 1853 so if that’s your family and where Thomas
>>> was born in 1851 there won't be a record of his baptism.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633038#page/5/mode/1up
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Note that Letitia’s baptism record says the father was protestant. So a
>>> mixed marriage.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I searched to see if I could find a marriage or death in Ireland for
>>> Letitia Taggart but without success. She may have died before 1864 in which
>>> case there will be no record, or she may have left Ireland.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Griffiths Valuation for 1860 only has 1 William Taggart in Drumgath. He had
>>> a share in a house in Fountain Lane, Omagh. Given that his occupation in
>>> 1871 was stated to be a farm labourer, I’d wonder if that was the right
>>> man, living in the middle of a town.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I looked for a possible death for William Taggart 1871 onwards and found
>>> this one in 1884 in Castle Lane Omagh (aged 84), informant was his son
>>> William.  Can’t say if it’s your family. Could be, but I'd need more
>>> information to know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06307/4808275.pdf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Did your Thomas have a daughter named Letitia by any chance? (Families
>>> tended to repeat names so it might be a clue, especially with a lightly
>>> unusual name like Letitia).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can’t help you with James Griffen. Caldon might be Caledon but there’s no
>>> James Griffen there in the 1860s in Griffiths.  Can you give us some dates
>>> and other information to put this into context?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Elwyn
>>> 
 On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 21:09, jeanette molloy via CoTyroneList <
 cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
 
 James Griffen near Caldon looks like Emmaville
 Thomas Taggart 1851-1919 died Glasgow Scotland married to Ann McCulloch
 1852-1901 death Glasgow Scotland. Connections to Pomeroy Co. Tyrone
 
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Stranorlar Parish, Co. Donegal, Ireland in 1837Lewis' Topographical
Dictionary of Ireland


Taughboyne Parish, Co. Donegal, Ireland in 1837Lewis' Topographical
Dictionary of Ireland


Thanks again to Len Swindley for two more additions to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
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