[Coworking] Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)
I couldn't agree more about the basic education/evangelism. Tony and I have spoken at this at length (on this list and elsewhere). The wiki landing page has really weak definition language that, at one point, worked. But as the concept has evolved, the definition has not. I'd love to see some simple coworking brochureware. Functionality little less than a find the nearest coworking community to you, but high focus on messaging and the who, what, and why. A focused description on the diverse styles of coworking makes sense for this, as well. -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:50 AM, JGarrido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there's an apparent need for a widely-known, and comprehensive directory service for co-working spaces globally (which has been the main topic of this thread), in addition – I believe – to more evangelism and basic education on the topic of co-working itself (I'm quite sure none of my prior fellow cube-dwellers have even *heard* of the concept). What I'm curious to know is if there is any software or technology currently lacking which is needed to help facilitate or administrate co-working locations? I think this is what needs to be defined. - JG On Oct 1, 10:31 am, Todd Sundsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great thread, everyone! I've talked to many of you independently, so I'm going to briefly brain dump here. After a very intimate year in this space, and after many conversations with both coworkers, independents, entrepreneurs, as well as people in corporate HR and real estate, there's definitely a new ecology of work/ workspace developing here. This probably isn't news to most of you. This ecology is currently composed largely of independents, independent entrepreneurs, and a small handful of corporate outworkers; it is also composed of a growing cadre of coworking spaces and local Jelly groups. People and places. To be fair, the ecology also includes coffee shops and executive suites, and the people that work there, even though these differ ideologically. But there are several missing pieces. In areas like New York City, but elsewhere as well, there's a real estate component that can't be avoided. Many current spaces started because we got a good deal on space somewhere, or because a forward thinking small business owner was willing to let others utilize unused office space. I realize I'm generalizing here, but please bear with me. This model isn't scalable. I'm not even sure it's desirable because living in borrowed space isn't sustainable over the long term, and I'm not sure coworking owner/operators are really prepared to be in the landlord business, which is what they are in the minute they start charging money for space and services. To the point of this thread, the necessary technology infrastructure is missing, as well. This hasn't been a problem, because we are all early adopters, and can get buy on our wits and our network of friends in coworking. However, at some point this movement is going to take off. Office space is the #2 cost in most businesses (after people, which are #1). I can guarantee that every Fortune 1000 company in the United States is looking for ways to reduce cost #2 (and #1) given our immediate economic situation. So, take off may be sooner than we think. My feeling is that it's time to compare notes, to look at the infrastructure, and to make sure that it evolves in a way that benefits and serves the community. Forget about the tags coworking, Jelly, etc. for a moment, and consider the near future in which work and workplace is increasingly defined as a network of intentional local spaces, and as communities of working peers with something in common beyond the accidental fact they work for the same company. Good technology will make it easier to open/operate spaces like those we've come to love. Thanks, Todd On Sep 30, 6:58 pm, Derek Neighbors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent from wrong address. :) Todd, On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Todd Sundsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been talk in the past about open source membership management software, etc. With coworking visas now in play, the challenge of contacting an owner/manager when you're in town, finding a space in the first place, finding/reserving a desk, managing payment, etc. there's an opportunity for the right tool to simplify the process of setting up and managing a space. With New Work City in the wings here in NYC, I'm being reminded of all of these issues again. So I'm gauging interest in this project. There are enough hot shots at work in coworking spaces, and enough great technologies out there (OpenID, etc.) that we could build and
[Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space
Wow, freaky! I wish I had some sage wisdom for you, Tara. I think keeping the police informed is the safest solution for you and your coworkers. It is unfortunate that this guy has no other place to go and you have been very generous, but you are right that you are not running a shelter. All the best, Felicity CubesCrayons www.cubesandcrayons.com cubes.typepad.com/blog On Oct 1, 2:31 pm, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, So, I thought I'd relay a story...not to freak anyone out or change anything, but just as an experience that others can learn from. For about 6 months, there has been a guy who drops in regularly at Citizen Space for free - almost too regularly at times - and would fall asleep at the communal tables in the back. I thought, Whatever, no biggie, really, until I got a complaint from my landlord that, when CS wasn't open, he would sit outside of our door or wander around the building for hours. So, the next time I saw him I told him that he isn't allowed to be in the building hanging around when we aren't there. So, that was problem A. But he didn't really listen and we would still find him sleeping outside our door. I must have told him about 10x personally. Then he hadn't come around for a while, so I thought that the issue was done. But no. One day I received an email from Eddie from The Hat Factory asking me if Ryan Cook ever hangs out at Citizen Space and that they had to finally ask him to leave and not come back because he was doing the same thing - sleeping in the building - as well as bringing his clothes and showering there. Eddie and another guy had taken Ryan to lunch to get more information from him and didn't find much out. According to Ryan, he had a job and a place to live. So they said he would have to limit the times he dropped in and no more showering or sleeping there. But he continued, so they finally threatened him with calling the police if he returned. After that point, he stepped up his presence at CS again, this time he had no laptop with him and people in the space (renters and other dropins) were starting to complain about his presence. He would come in, eat stuff from the cupboards, make coffee and leave a mess, then sleep at the table. So, I told him he couldn't come back to CS without his laptop - This isn't a shelter, it's a workspace. I said. But a couple of nights later, I came into the office to check on a package at around 10:00 pm and, after unlocking the security door, I found him behind it, hanging out. Of course, this freaked me out a bit, but I firmly told him he wasn't allowed to be there, to leave and not come back until he gets a computer. A couple days later, Jonathan, one of the desk renters, found him, again, behind the locked security door and observed a pile of luggage and clothes. This was early in the morning. He instantly left and called me, telling me he didn't want to have to deal with this any longer. I was very angry at that point and went directly over there, but he was gone. Later that day, I caught him in the building again and told him to take his clothes and leave and that I would call the police if he returned. That was last Friday. On Monday, I wasn't at the space, but Arne told me he came in to gather 'some of his things that he had left' at the space. CS is NOT a storage locker. Arne supervised him and walked him out of the building. I thought that was the end of it. But no again. Today, I stopped by CS to check on a package and, lo and behold, he was there again. I totally blew up and told him I was going to call the police and locked myself in the office. The police came by and he was STILL hanging in the building. The officer talked to him, then came and talked with me. I told him the story and the officer told me he would tell Ryan that he would be charged next time he came into the building. I hope this is the end of it. It's driving me nuts. I don't know if he's a physical threat - he hasn't made any threats or moves. However, his continued presence feels like a fear tactic and he makes everyone at CS extremely uneasy...even the big guys. I'm looking for advice here...but also to open up a discussion on whether others have shared this problem and, if so, how have you dealt with it? Tara -- -- tara 'missrogue' hunt Book: The Whuffie Factor: Using the Power of Social Networks to Build Your Business (http://www.amazon.com/Whuffie-Factor-Capital-Winning-Communities/dp/0...) Company: Citizen Agency (http://www.citizenagency.com) Blog: HorsePigCow: Marketing Uncommon (http://www.horsepigcow.com) Twitter:http://www.twitter.com/missrogue phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[Coworking] Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)
Yes, admin technology is definitely required, as I'm realizing I'm needing POS (point-of-sale) capabilities. Darren Silver and Amit Gupta (yes, same founder of Jelly!) should have something in beta in a few weeks for JellyDesk. Jerome __ BLANKSPACES work wide open www.blankspaces.com 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) Los Angeles, CA 90036 323.330.9505 (office) On Oct 2, 2008, at 4:50 AM, JGarrido wrote: So there's an apparent need for a widely-known, and comprehensive directory service for co-working spaces globally (which has been the main topic of this thread), in addition – I believe – to more evangelism and basic education on the topic of co-working itself (I'm quite sure none of my prior fellow cube-dwellers have even *heard* of the concept). What I'm curious to know is if there is any software or technology currently lacking which is needed to help facilitate or administrate co-working locations? I think this is what needs to be defined. - JG On Oct 1, 10:31 am, Todd Sundsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great thread, everyone! I've talked to many of you independently, so I'm going to briefly brain dump here. After a very intimate year in this space, and after many conversations with both coworkers, independents, entrepreneurs, as well as people in corporate HR and real estate, there's definitely a new ecology of work/ workspace developing here. This probably isn't news to most of you. This ecology is currently composed largely of independents, independent entrepreneurs, and a small handful of corporate outworkers; it is also composed of a growing cadre of coworking spaces and local Jelly groups. People and places. To be fair, the ecology also includes coffee shops and executive suites, and the people that work there, even though these differ ideologically. But there are several missing pieces. In areas like New York City, but elsewhere as well, there's a real estate component that can't be avoided. Many current spaces started because we got a good deal on space somewhere, or because a forward thinking small business owner was willing to let others utilize unused office space. I realize I'm generalizing here, but please bear with me. This model isn't scalable. I'm not even sure it's desirable because living in borrowed space isn't sustainable over the long term, and I'm not sure coworking owner/operators are really prepared to be in the landlord business, which is what they are in the minute they start charging money for space and services. To the point of this thread, the necessary technology infrastructure is missing, as well. This hasn't been a problem, because we are all early adopters, and can get buy on our wits and our network of friends in coworking. However, at some point this movement is going to take off. Office space is the #2 cost in most businesses (after people, which are #1). I can guarantee that every Fortune 1000 company in the United States is looking for ways to reduce cost #2 (and #1) given our immediate economic situation. So, take off may be sooner than we think. My feeling is that it's time to compare notes, to look at the infrastructure, and to make sure that it evolves in a way that benefits and serves the community. Forget about the tags coworking, Jelly, etc. for a moment, and consider the near future in which work and workplace is increasingly defined as a network of intentional local spaces, and as communities of working peers with something in common beyond the accidental fact they work for the same company. Good technology will make it easier to open/operate spaces like those we've come to love. Thanks, Todd On Sep 30, 6:58 pm, Derek Neighbors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent from wrong address. :) Todd, On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Todd Sundsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been talk in the past about open source membership management software, etc. With coworking visas now in play, the challenge of contacting an owner/manager when you're in town, finding a space in the first place, finding/reserving a desk, managing payment, etc. there's an opportunity for the right tool to simplify the process of setting up and managing a space. With New Work City in the wings here in NYC, I'm being reminded of all of these issues again. So I'm gauging interest in this project. There are enough hot shots at work in coworking spaces, and enough great technologies out there (OpenID, etc.) that we could build and sustain an open source project like this. We have some interesting concepts in this area. We offer all our space for free so we haven't much focused on the business of collecting payment. However, we very much are interested in allowing co-workers to identify themselves and the space(s) they regularly frequent. We have another project for our hacknights
[Coworking] Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)
Agreed on Alex's points. I'll add some thoughts in responses to JG: * So there's an apparent need for a widely-known, and comprehensive directory service for co-working spaces globally (which has been the main topic of this thread), * Yes, with one important caveat-- when creating a central directory, we run the risk of un-starfishing ourselves. I believe strongly that coworking is not black and white, but a whole spectrum of color. Any sort of central repository for coworking spaces should have to be prepared to answer the difficult question of who's in and who's out. One way I've thought of solving this would be to have user ratings of spaces, based on... wait for it... their adherence to the coworking pillars. I'm picturing something exactly like CircuitCity's ratings ( http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=208372#CustomerRatings), but instead of Picture Quality, Sound, etc, it would be Community Openness Accessibility etc. In other words, maintain the starfish-ness. Let the people decide what spaces fulfill which needs. *in addition – I believe – to more evangelism and basic education on the topic of co-working itself (I'm quite sure none of my prior fellow cube-dwellers have even *heard* of the concept).* Yes, we should be thinking of how to make coworking more accessible. I attempted to do this a while back with http://coworkingny.com, which explains in realistic terms what coworking is and how to get started. I also put the descriptions first, as communicating the names of the spaces is less important than communicating the services they offer. This also would let people quickly determine which direction they needed to go. I never quite finished it, though, and obviously there are other spaces to add. *What I'm curious to know is if there is any software or technology currently lacking which is needed to help facilitate or administrate co-working locations? I think this is what needs to be defined.* There are a few areas I can identify as potentially very useful to coworking spaces: - Desk availability administration - Membership usage tracking - An internet cafe-like sign-in system for people to get memberships and/or day passes while in the space (I'm talking with the great guys at NYCWireless about building something like this) - A space- or city-specific social network where people can see who is working on what, and where. Tony New Work City On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I couldn't agree more about the basic education/evangelism. Tony and I have spoken at this at length (on this list and elsewhere). The wiki landing page has really weak definition language that, at one point, worked. But as the concept has evolved, the definition has not. I'd love to see some simple coworking brochureware. Functionality little less than a find the nearest coworking community to you, but high focus on messaging and the who, what, and why. A focused description on the diverse styles of coworking makes sense for this, as well. -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:50 AM, JGarrido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there's an apparent need for a widely-known, and comprehensive directory service for co-working spaces globally (which has been the main topic of this thread), in addition – I believe – to more evangelism and basic education on the topic of co-working itself (I'm quite sure none of my prior fellow cube-dwellers have even *heard* of the concept). What I'm curious to know is if there is any software or technology currently lacking which is needed to help facilitate or administrate co-working locations? I think this is what needs to be defined. - JG On Oct 1, 10:31 am, Todd Sundsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great thread, everyone! I've talked to many of you independently, so I'm going to briefly brain dump here. After a very intimate year in this space, and after many conversations with both coworkers, independents, entrepreneurs, as well as people in corporate HR and real estate, there's definitely a new ecology of work/ workspace developing here. This probably isn't news to most of you. This ecology is currently composed largely of independents, independent entrepreneurs, and a small handful of corporate outworkers; it is also composed of a growing cadre of coworking spaces and local Jelly groups. People and places. To be fair, the ecology also includes coffee shops and executive suites, and the people that work there, even though these differ ideologically. But there are several missing pieces. In areas like New York City, but elsewhere as well, there's a real estate component that can't be avoided. Many current spaces started because we got a good deal on space somewhere, or because a forward
[Coworking] Re: Uptime Update
The local alternative weekly published a nice feature story about Uptime today, including a quote from Tara. http://www.newsreview.com/chico/Content?oid=865597 --Ax --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)
Also, re: The definition of coworking, when we last discussed it I had left off with a question: How does a decentralized organization such as this one collectively make a decision on something like the definition of the word coworking? On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I couldn't agree more about the basic education/evangelism. Tony and I have spoken at this at length (on this list and elsewhere). The wiki landing page has really weak definition language that, at one point, worked. But as the concept has evolved, the definition has not. I'd love to see some simple coworking brochureware. Functionality little less than a find the nearest coworking community to you, but high focus on messaging and the who, what, and why. A focused description on the diverse styles of coworking makes sense for this, as well. -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:50 AM, JGarrido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there's an apparent need for a widely-known, and comprehensive directory service for co-working spaces globally (which has been the main topic of this thread), in addition – I believe – to more evangelism and basic education on the topic of co-working itself (I'm quite sure none of my prior fellow cube-dwellers have even *heard* of the concept). What I'm curious to know is if there is any software or technology currently lacking which is needed to help facilitate or administrate co-working locations? I think this is what needs to be defined. - JG On Oct 1, 10:31 am, Todd Sundsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great thread, everyone! I've talked to many of you independently, so I'm going to briefly brain dump here. After a very intimate year in this space, and after many conversations with both coworkers, independents, entrepreneurs, as well as people in corporate HR and real estate, there's definitely a new ecology of work/ workspace developing here. This probably isn't news to most of you. This ecology is currently composed largely of independents, independent entrepreneurs, and a small handful of corporate outworkers; it is also composed of a growing cadre of coworking spaces and local Jelly groups. People and places. To be fair, the ecology also includes coffee shops and executive suites, and the people that work there, even though these differ ideologically. But there are several missing pieces. In areas like New York City, but elsewhere as well, there's a real estate component that can't be avoided. Many current spaces started because we got a good deal on space somewhere, or because a forward thinking small business owner was willing to let others utilize unused office space. I realize I'm generalizing here, but please bear with me. This model isn't scalable. I'm not even sure it's desirable because living in borrowed space isn't sustainable over the long term, and I'm not sure coworking owner/operators are really prepared to be in the landlord business, which is what they are in the minute they start charging money for space and services. To the point of this thread, the necessary technology infrastructure is missing, as well. This hasn't been a problem, because we are all early adopters, and can get buy on our wits and our network of friends in coworking. However, at some point this movement is going to take off. Office space is the #2 cost in most businesses (after people, which are #1). I can guarantee that every Fortune 1000 company in the United States is looking for ways to reduce cost #2 (and #1) given our immediate economic situation. So, take off may be sooner than we think. My feeling is that it's time to compare notes, to look at the infrastructure, and to make sure that it evolves in a way that benefits and serves the community. Forget about the tags coworking, Jelly, etc. for a moment, and consider the near future in which work and workplace is increasingly defined as a network of intentional local spaces, and as communities of working peers with something in common beyond the accidental fact they work for the same company. Good technology will make it easier to open/operate spaces like those we've come to love. Thanks, Todd On Sep 30, 6:58 pm, Derek Neighbors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent from wrong address. :) Todd, On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Todd Sundsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been talk in the past about open source membership management software, etc. With coworking visas now in play, the challenge of contacting an owner/manager when you're in town, finding a space in the first place, finding/reserving a desk, managing payment, etc. there's an opportunity for the right tool to simplify the process of
[Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space
Here are my two suggestions: 1. Build a strong relationship with the SFPD, and let them know that their officers are free to complete paperwork at your site. 2. Call the police. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and if you don't want a sleeper in your workplace, you will need to document and report. Police can and will arrest individuals for becoming a public nuisance and/or discivil conduct. Take it from someone who has had a student arrested for talking too much! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space
let them know that their officers are free to complete paperwork at your site. AWESOME idea. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org -Original Message- From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JDean Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:06 PM To: Coworking Subject: [Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space Here are my two suggestions: 1. Build a strong relationship with the SFPD, and let them know that their officers are free to complete paperwork at your site. 2. Call the police. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and if you don't want a sleeper in your workplace, you will need to document and report. Police can and will arrest individuals for becoming a public nuisance and/or discivil conduct. Take it from someone who has had a student arrested for talking too much! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space
Tara, We at PariSoMa had a small coworker party about a month ago. I knew pretty much every one there, except there was one tall, balding guy kind of lurking around that no one knew. He introduced himself as Ryan and said he was interested in renting a desk from us. I asked him how he knew about the very small gathering and he just kind of mumbled something incomprehensible about a website. For the next hour and a half, he hung around our office and kind of creeped about and made everyone uncomfortable. When the party was over, a handful of us went to dinner and of course someone invited Ryan. Throughout dinner, his erratic behavior really weirded us out. He got up about 3 or 4 times to use the bathroom announcing loudly I GOTTA PEE, disappearing for 10 minutes at a time. He knocked over his glass of water and then pushed the water onto the floor. After I'd finished my meal there were still some scraps left (mostly chicken bones and a pile of greasy rice) and he asked my boyfriend if I was going to finish my plate. He then ate the tiny bits of chicken left on the bones and scarfed all the rice. We all pretty much sat there WTFing the whole time. The next day, I told everyone in the office that if a guy named Ryan came by looking to rent a space, to politely tell him no. I felt bad because he seemed kind of lonely and lost, but he obviously has problems and made everyone really uncomfortable. He must be hitting up all the coworking spaces in SF. I wonder if anyone else has had any experiences with him. Anyway, wow. I will definitely be on the lookout. Melanie Berlin PariSoMa On Oct 1, 2:31 pm, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, So, I thought I'd relay a story...not to freak anyone out or change anything, but just as an experience that others can learn from. For about 6 months, there has been a guy who drops in regularly at Citizen Space for free - almost too regularly at times - and would fall asleep at the communal tables in the back. I thought, Whatever, no biggie, really, until I got a complaint from my landlord that, when CS wasn't open, he would sit outside of our door or wander around the building for hours. So, the next time I saw him I told him that he isn't allowed to be in the building hanging around when we aren't there. So, that was problem A. But he didn't really listen and we would still find him sleeping outside our door. I must have told him about 10x personally. Then he hadn't come around for a while, so I thought that the issue was done. But no. One day I received an email from Eddie from The Hat Factory asking me if Ryan Cook ever hangs out at Citizen Space and that they had to finally ask him to leave and not come back because he was doing the same thing - sleeping in the building - as well as bringing his clothes and showering there. Eddie and another guy had taken Ryan to lunch to get more information from him and didn't find much out. According to Ryan, he had a job and a place to live. So they said he would have to limit the times he dropped in and no more showering or sleeping there. But he continued, so they finally threatened him with calling the police if he returned. After that point, he stepped up his presence at CS again, this time he had no laptop with him and people in the space (renters and other dropins) were starting to complain about his presence. He would come in, eat stuff from the cupboards, make coffee and leave a mess, then sleep at the table. So, I told him he couldn't come back to CS without his laptop - This isn't a shelter, it's a workspace. I said. But a couple of nights later, I came into the office to check on a package at around 10:00 pm and, after unlocking the security door, I found him behind it, hanging out. Of course, this freaked me out a bit, but I firmly told him he wasn't allowed to be there, to leave and not come back until he gets a computer. A couple days later, Jonathan, one of the desk renters, found him, again, behind the locked security door and observed a pile of luggage and clothes. This was early in the morning. He instantly left and called me, telling me he didn't want to have to deal with this any longer. I was very angry at that point and went directly over there, but he was gone. Later that day, I caught him in the building again and told him to take his clothes and leave and that I would call the police if he returned. That was last Friday. On Monday, I wasn't at the space, but Arne told me he came in to gather 'some of his things that he had left' at the space. CS is NOT a storage locker. Arne supervised him and walked him out of the building. I thought that was the end of it. But no again. Today, I stopped by CS to check on a package and, lo and behold, he was there again. I totally blew up and told him I was going to call the police and locked myself in the office. The police came by and he was STILL hanging in the building. The officer talked to him, then
[Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space
Don't waste your time with the SFPD (or any pd). They love messing with the homeless but this is a temporary fix and is just part of the endless cycle. Your only hope is cutting off the enabling factors, and only resort to the sfpd if someone becomes a danger. As someone mentioned, there are agencies that can help, and sometimes if you know the right people in city hall, you can get some special assistance. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: JDean [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:05:41 To: Coworkingcoworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space Here are my two suggestions: 1. Build a strong relationship with the SFPD, and let them know that their officers are free to complete paperwork at your site. 2. Call the police. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and if you don't want a sleeper in your workplace, you will need to document and report. Police can and will arrest individuals for becoming a public nuisance and/or discivil conduct. Take it from someone who has had a student arrested for talking too much! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Atlanta Coworking Questions
Hi all: I'm currently working with a collective of people in the Atlanta area to put together a co-working space somewhere in the Midtown Atlanta area and would like to ask some questions. Today I've got just a few questions but I'm sure I'll have more over time. I'm going to create separate emails for each question. Thanks in advance for your help. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Understanding Free Access
Hi all: I'm hearing that a lot of you are allowing people to use the coworking spaces for free. In trying to plan a facility I've run the numbers and I don't see how that is possible. First I don't see how you can get people to pay for what you are giving for free and second I don't see how you can make the density work. I understand that coworking is all about providing an open environment and letting people use it w/o signing up is in the spirit of things but in order for us to pull this off it needs to be profitable, i.e. not operating at a loss. Could anyone speak to this please? Thanks in advance. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Letter for Potential Investors
I am sending out an information packet regarding coworking, i.e. OurSpace, and its potential impact on Fort Wayne. Does anyone have a great format for a letter that I could review? Thanks, Jodi Dean --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Considering Federation
Hi all: In doing our planning for an Atlanta Coworking space we are finding that the Atlanta geography doesn't lend itself to one central location where everyone is wiling to be. That is probably true anywhere, but in Atlanta with poorly planned public transit and no natural boundary (i.e. no mountains, big rivers, or oceans) it is especially bad because we are spread out all over the place. Fortunately there is somewhat of a concensus on Midtown (which doesn't both me because I live in Midtown :-) but there are factions vying for other locations. We briefly entertained the idea of multiple concurrent spaces but it will be hard enough to launch one space let alone two or three. However yesterday I met with a former entrepreneurs and current mayor of a town east of Decatur called Avondale Estates and he has a ~2000 sqft house that he bought to turn into an incubator and is now considering making it a coworking space. The problem is that from our list of people who are interested almost nobody would travel to Avondale Estates although I'm sure there could be people in Decatur I don't know cultivated to use it. During our discussions the idea of federating came up, i.e. making it possible for members of either facility to be able to go to the other facility kind of how like members of the YMCA when they were independent could go to any YMCA. So how are those of you in cities with a large number of people handling this? Have you thought of any kind of federation within a city? -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org P.S. And while I'm on the subject, have any of you thought about federation across cities, i.e. to allow members from one city to use space in other cities? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Understanding Free Access
At Nomadz we simply tell people they can come by a few times for free and have to pay when they want to drop in regularly. For the CoworkerPassport i don't expect people to stick around for very long either so it basically works itself out. Think of it as a free 3 day trial. Tijs On 2 okt 2008, at 20:35, Mike Schinkel wrote: Hi all: I'm hearing that a lot of you are allowing people to use the coworking spaces for free. In trying to plan a facility I've run the numbers and I don't see how that is possible. First I don't see how you can get people to pay for what you are giving for free and second I don't see how you can make the density work. I understand that coworking is all about providing an open environment and letting people use it w/o signing up is in the spirit of things but in order for us to pull this off it needs to be profitable, i.e. not operating at a loss. Could anyone speak to this please? Thanks in advance. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org -- Tijs Teulings tel: +31645004824 http://tijs.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Management Software
Hi all: This topic of management software has come up in other threads but I wanted to proactively address it. The idea of an open-source software came up, and I would be interested in working on that. I'd like to move the dicussion forward in earnest. I am a believe in Drupal for this type of solution; would others be interested in a Drupal-based system? In addition, I am wondering if a hybrid O-S/SaaS model would work for people and if so, would people be willing to pay a monthly fee to just have that handled by someone else? The reason SaaS came to mind was because of my question on federation; it would be a lot easier to federate if federated facilities were all using the same system. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Understanding Density
Why not look to the existing community to see what it's makeup is, and build your model from that? -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi all: We are doing some financial planning for an Atlanta Coworking space I'm trying to figure what kind of density we can get. We are looking for a warehouse-style space and we are planning to have desks for floaters (people w/access but no assign space) and deskers (people w/an assigned desk.) We may also have cubers (people w/an assigned cube) and even roomers (people w/an assigned room.) (BTW, I just made those role names up as I wrote this, LOL!) Also, our goal will be to create a community where pretty much everyone knows and respects everyone else in the space as much as that is possible, but we are starting with a large group of people that already know and respect each other. And if possible we'd like to have some sort of community vetting process for members to avoid the freaky-sleeper types that Tara has experienced although we might not be able to pull off a vetting process on day one when we first need to reach profitability. Anyway, we are trying to figure out what kind of density we can handle with our floaters on a per square foot basis, or maybe we should do it on a per desk basis? Can anyone speak to this? Thanks in advance. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Atlanta Coworking Questions
Alex, I've been working with Mike on this space he is working on and will touch base with him off the list in addition to any feedback the group has for him. Thanks, Tessa On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Alex Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I've spoken at length with Tessa Horehled (http://tessahorehled.com/) about the topic, and I know she's been actively working with people as a local contact. I highly recommend speaking with her if you haven't already. -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'm currently working with a collective of people in the Atlanta area to put together a co-working space somewhere in the Midtown Atlanta area and would like to ask some questions. Today I've got just a few questions but I'm sure I'll have more over time. I'm going to create separate emails for each question. Thanks in advance for your help. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org -- Tessa Horehled Tastemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Understanding Free Access
Think of free use as a marketing tool. It varies space to space. For instance, we don't have a free dropin policy like some, but some of our signup rates include free days. Also, consider Jelly ( http://workatjelly.com/) as a market growing technique. I know there are already multiple Atlanta Jelly groups. Bottom line, though, is if you want to be a sustainable business, include memberships that a) work for your members and b) work for you. -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi all: I'm hearing that a lot of you are allowing people to use the coworking spaces for free. In trying to plan a facility I've run the numbers and I don't see how that is possible. First I don't see how you can get people to pay for what you are giving for free and second I don't see how you can make the density work. I understand that coworking is all about providing an open environment and letting people use it w/o signing up is in the spirit of things but in order for us to pull this off it needs to be profitable, i.e. not operating at a loss. Could anyone speak to this please? Thanks in advance. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Atlanta Coworking Questions
Alex: Thanks. Tessa is on our team. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://mikeschinkel.com/ http://atlanta-web.org http://atlanta-web.org/ _ From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Hillman Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:05 PM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Atlanta Coworking Questions Mike, I've spoken at length with Tessa Horehled (http://tessahorehled.com/) about the topic, and I know she's been actively working with people as a local contact. I highly recommend speaking with her if you haven't already. -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'm currently working with a collective of people in the Atlanta area to put together a co-working space somewhere in the Midtown Atlanta area and would like to ask some questions. Today I've got just a few questions but I'm sure I'll have more over time. I'm going to create separate emails for each question. Thanks in advance for your help. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://atlanta-web.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- inline: winmail.dat
[Coworking] Re: Understanding Density
Hi Mike, I believe there are some old threads if you do some digging on the sq. footage per person. One figure that is sticking in my mind is 150-200 sq. ft/person, but honestly I'm not sure how great that figure is. To let you know, we have 5000 square feet at Office Nomads in Seattle, and figure we can max out at about 40 folks in the space before things get really tight. That leaves us plenty of room to still have couches to crash on, a kitchen to brew the coffee in, etc... Hope that helps, Susan On Oct 2, 1:35 pm, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not look to the existing community to see what it's makeup is, and build your model from that? Thanks for the reply, but I already have that info. What I don't have is an understanding of a workable density; IOW, how many members can a given sqft support? For example, if we have a 4000 sqft facility and we devote 2500 sqft to floater space how many floaters can we generally accomdate in that 2500 sqft? I'm hoping to learn from what others have experienced to be workable metrics. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurshttp://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkelhttp://mikeschinkel.comhttp://mikeschinkel.com/http://atlanta-web.orghttp://atlanta-web.org/ _ From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Hillman Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:05 PM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Understanding Density Why not look to the existing community to see what it's makeup is, and build your model from that? -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual:www.dangerouslyawesome.com local:www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: We are doing some financial planning for an Atlanta Coworking space I'm trying to figure what kind of density we can get. We are looking for a warehouse-style space and we are planning to have desks for floaters (people w/access but no assign space) and deskers (people w/an assigned desk.) We may also have cubers (people w/an assigned cube) and even roomers (people w/an assigned room.) (BTW, I just made those role names up as I wrote this, LOL!) Also, our goal will be to create a community where pretty much everyone knows and respects everyone else in the space as much as that is possible, but we are starting with a large group of people that already know and respect each other. And if possible we'd like to have some sort of community vetting process for members to avoid the freaky-sleeper types that Tara has experienced although we might not be able to pull off a vetting process on day one when we first need to reach profitability. Anyway, we are trying to figure out what kind of density we can handle with our floaters on a per square foot basis, or maybe we should do it on a per desk basis? Can anyone speak to this? Thanks in advance. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurshttp://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkelhttp://mikeschinkel.comhttp://atlanta-web.org winmail.dat 7KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Understanding Density
Tara has published a great formula for caluculating desks per square feet: http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/3fc7f1acd053e f00/60fd6b3cf30b61fa?lnk=gstq=formula+tara#60fd6b3cf30b61fa http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/3fc7f1acd053ef 00/60fd6b3cf30b61fa?lnk=gstq=formula+tara#60fd6b3cf30b61fa Thanks, I'll check it out. As far as members, I presume you're talking about the gym membership model effect where there are more members than desks. Exactly. We've been trending our numbers for a while, and hope to be publishing the findings as soon as we make some sense of them. I'm sure that they change from community to community, but some things we've noticed: -Floating desk use comes in waves. We can have one quiet week, and the next week its packed every day. That would make perfect sense. Fast food restaurants get the same thing in their lines throughout the day, and there's a lot of study on that subject. -Wednesday and Friday tend to be the most populated days in general. Except for recently, when we introduced cupcake thursdays. guess what the new most popular day is! :) Really, I would have intuited otherwise. I hope this was helpful, and again...as we get our trends together we want to share them! Yes it was. I look forward to your trends. Thanks in advance. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://mikeschinkel.com/ http://atlanta-web.org http://atlanta-web.org/ _ From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Hillman Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:44 PM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Understanding Density Tara has published a great formula for caluculating desks per square feet: http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/3fc7f1acd053ef 00/60fd6b3cf30b61fa?lnk=gst http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/3fc7f1acd053e f00/60fd6b3cf30b61fa?lnk=gstq=formula+tara#60fd6b3cf30b61fa q=formula+tara#60fd6b3cf30b61fa As far as members, I presume you're talking about the gym membership model effect where there are more members than desks. We've been trending our numbers for a while, and hope to be publishing the findings as soon as we make some sense of them. I'm sure that they change from community to community, but some things we've noticed: -Floating desk use comes in waves. We can have one quiet week, and the next week its packed every day. -Wednesday and Friday tend to be the most populated days in general. Except for recently, when we introduced cupcake thursdays. guess what the new most popular day is! :) I hope this was helpful, and again...as we get our trends together we want to share them! -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not look to the existing community to see what it's makeup is, and build your model from that? Thanks for the reply, but I already have that info. What I don't have is an understanding of a workable density; IOW, how many members can a given sqft support? For example, if we have a 4000 sqft facility and we devote 2500 sqft to floater space how many floaters can we generally accomdate in that 2500 sqft? I'm hoping to learn from what others have experienced to be workable metrics. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurs http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel http://mikeschinkel.com http://mikeschinkel.com/ http://atlanta-web.org http://atlanta-web.org/ _ From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Hillman Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:05 PM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Understanding Density Why not look to the existing community to see what it's makeup is, and build your model from that? -Alex -- - -- - Alex Hillman im always developing something digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: We are doing some financial planning for an Atlanta Coworking space I'm trying to figure what kind of density we can get. We are looking for a warehouse-style space and we are planning to have desks for floaters (people w/access but no assign space) and deskers (people w/an assigned desk.) We may also have cubers (people w/an assigned cube) and even roomers (people w/an assigned room.) (BTW, I just made those role names up as I wrote this, LOL!) Also, our goal will be to create a community where pretty much everyone knows and respects everyone else in the space as much as that is possible, but we are starting with a large group of
[Coworking] Re: Management Software
CubeSpace's POS system, which is customized for coworking, is on its way to becoming available as an open source solution. We have a couple of volunteers who are cleaning up the code, and making some tweaks, before we make it publicly available. They expect to further develop it with a group as part of the ruby code sprints they plan for this fall. The application is a ruby on rails front end on a MySQL backend, running on Apache (I think). More to the point, it can either be hosted on a local machine, an internal server or the internet. It is already set up to run credit cards, run a cash drawer and receipt printer. It tracks who is using which cubicle or conference room, tracks usages, and accepts payments. It tracks recurring renewal dates (e.g., monthly, weekly, yearly). Again, it needs a little more work before we release it to the public, but we're almost there. --David David Kominsky CubeSpace [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 2, 12:04 pm, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: This topic of management software has come up in other threads but I wanted to proactively address it. The idea of an open-source software came up, and I would be interested in working on that. I'd like to move the dicussion forward in earnest. I am a believe in Drupal for this type of solution; would others be interested in a Drupal-based system? In addition, I am wondering if a hybrid O-S/SaaS model would work for people and if so, would people be willing to pay a monthly fee to just have that handled by someone else? The reason SaaS came to mind was because of my question on federation; it would be a lot easier to federate if federated facilities were all using the same system. -Mike Schinkel President; NewClarity LLC Organizer: Atlanta Web Entrepreneurshttp://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkelhttp://mikeschinkel.comhttp://atlanta-web.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Common Coworking Software (was Co-Working Directory)
i'm really interested in this thread, but unfortunately have nothing to add since this development is way outside of my skillset. however, i'd like to raise my hand to be a beta tester in anticipation of our toronto facility to be open by this time this is ready. r. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
