Re: [Coworking] longest lease for coworking place?

[Ivan Pope]

Sorry to send this to the whole list but I can't find any source of info.
How do I unsubscribe from this list? (It should really be on the end of
each posting)
Ta,
Ivan
On Mon, 1 May 2017 at 04:28, Alex Linsker  wrote:

> What's the longest lease for a coworking place or other businesses that
> you know of that works well? Anything 15 or 20 years or more?
>
> Context:
>
> After getting paid to do this for 6 years, and having experimented with
> not actually leading coworking for a portion of that, I can see doing it
> for 50 more years or my entire paid work, whichever is more.
>
> Why not buy: I don't currently personally have resources to buy a
> multi-million dollar building, and we're not yet where I see us buying a
> building as a group, and I (and most members) see us growing into multiple
> locations, so we could always buy buildings in the future.
>
> Why not do a shorter lease: When a lease ends, my sense is that rents go
> up, and in Portland Oregon, rents have gone up quite a bit and seem to be
> on track to go up quite a bit. I haven't found owners would would put a
> renewal option into the lease other than to renew at 'market rate' which
> isn't really a renewal option.
>
> The plus to a shorter lease could be that the business model is revised in
> 5-7 years (moving out totally benefited us after 5.5 years at our first
> location, when we moved to two very different locations), but right now we
> are doing well with the current business model, and while I see how that
> could change, it doesn't seem likely.
>
> So I could see a longer lease being better than a 5- or 7- year lease. Do
> you know of businesses, or coworking places, that have signed long leases
> and enjoyed that? The longest I know of for coworking are 12-year leases,
> and that seems like it can work great; I know one company where it makes
> total sense. I could see doing a 15- or 20- or even longer lease, with the
> option to sublease or assign the lease. I've heard of one big retail
> company that does 75-year leases, which seems too long to me, but where I'm
> at right now, I could see between 15 and 20 years feeling good. I could
> also see doing 7-year leases, and renegotiating or moving every 7 years,
> and having rent go up 15% every year until we hit peak, whenever that will
> be (I don't think we will for at least 15 years).
>
> A related question is risk management; if we have 2 venues now and grow to
> more, what are the risks of growth and other risks (obviously not growing
> too fast or overcommitting -- which could be what a too-long lease does --
> but under-committing seems to be what a too-short lease does, so it seems
> to balance out), and how does one balance that.
>
> Would love your perspectives and hearing about your own experiences.
>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Room to Think closes

[Ivan Pope]

Maybe it's just the name. Room to Think sounds like a workshopping or
meeting event, not a working space. I mean, it's a great name, but maybe
sends the wrong message?



On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:55 AM, work@  wrote:

> Hi Shenoa, I think you hit the nail on the head with "Broader adoption of
> coworking was slower then we hoped"   my own experience is there are people
> out there but those that commit to working from a space really want a
> private office, the issue of confidential data and competitive advantage
> being the counter point to share and collaborate.
>
> One ones  not looking for a private office, are looking for a better
> version of Starbucks.
>
> The rest are just tight with cash, because they have to be.
>
> but the real issue is there simply isn't the volume of customers, and I
> think that's just a result of the wider economic problem.
>
> Very sorry to hear that you are closing, Its the mark of a good leader to
> know when to change direction. best of luck J
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 4:16:28 AM UTC+1, Shenoa Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to mention that yesterday was the last official day of Room to
>> Think as a coworking space.  I definitely intend to spend a bit more time
>> on a thorough post-mortem, both for the sake of the broader coworking
>> community, and for others in our area that might have coworking ambitions
>> in the future.
>>
>> In leiu of a more detailed explanation, I wanted to summarize:
>>
>>- Coworking is still something I think is needed in the Tri-Cities, WA
>>- Our particular model of leadership turned out to be unsustainable
>>- Broader adoption of coworking was slower than we hoped and finances
>>were all sadface
>>
>> There IS still a community in Kennewick/Richland/Pasco that I think will
>> birth something at a later time.  Hopefully our efforts opened the door for
>> them to fly.
>>
>> Shenoa Lawrence
>> Room to Think
>>
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Re: [Coworking] artist coworking spaces

[Ivan Pope]

I thought artists were the original co-workers - they just call them
studios. That said, studio space that is shared with large communal working
spaces are not so common. We are working towards maker/designer co-working
spaces.


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Kallie Seniff  wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with any coworking spaces that are geared towards
> artists and photographers? I've been talking with some artists in my area
> that are interested in collaborative space but they obviously have some
> different needs i.e they need lots and lots of space for their projects. I
> would love to pick someones brain about this.
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Re: [Coworking] device lab

[Ivan Pope]

Do you mean a fab lab? A lab with machines for making things?
Thanks,
Ivan


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Toby Krout  wrote:

> We have also been considering this too. There is a website dedicated to
> (creating) open device labs. Can't think of it right now though. Google it.
> We think coworking spaces are perfect organizations for this largely
> because other organizations don't have an interest in allowing 'anyone' to
> use a device lab. -Toby
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Ivan Pope  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> What is a device lab? What is a device?
>> Thanks,
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Kallie Seniff  wrote:
>>
>>> hello hello everyone,
>>>
>>> one of our members recently expressed interest in starting a device lab
>>> here. does anyone have experience with that? i have already asked another
>>> fellow coworking space owner about it and he brought up the very valid
>>> point that we want people coming here for the people and not for access to
>>> a certain device. let me know your thoughts!
>>>
>>> -kallie
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Re: [Coworking] device lab

[Ivan Pope]

Hi,
What is a device lab? What is a device?
Thanks,
Ivan


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Kallie Seniff  wrote:

> hello hello everyone,
>
> one of our members recently expressed interest in starting a device lab
> here. does anyone have experience with that? i have already asked another
> fellow coworking space owner about it and he brought up the very valid
> point that we want people coming here for the people and not for access to
> a certain device. let me know your thoughts!
>
> -kallie
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Re: [Coworking] Coworking is not a "Cyber Café" (Zoning Absurdities)

[Ivan Pope]

I would be very wary of believing that the original information is true. As
someone said - first they would have to define a 'cyber cafe'. Second, they
would have to have a reason to 'ban' them. But why? Are they banning cafes
or workspaces or internet connections or what? What are they trying to
achieve? I can't believe it's a blanket ban rather than some rules on types
of use in types of building.
Phone up and ask the city!
Ivan

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Step by Steppe wrote:

> Sounds like it may be the Middle Kingdom.
>
> If it is I am particularly interested in what the response will be.
>
>
> On 2013-03-06, at 10:31 AM, Hassan Schroeder 
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Sam  wrote:
> >
> >> ... and since the city doesn't allow cyber cafés ...
> >
> > IANAL, but if a government entity is regulating a class of activities,
> > doesn't it (theoretically) have to explicitly define that class?
> >
> > Where is the law in your jurisdiction that defines 'cyber cafe', and
> > what exactly does it say, and does that description cover what you
> > want to do?
> >
> > An hour with a local attorney might be money well spent :-)
> >
> > FWIW,
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