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DCS Newsletter (03/11/2001)
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Re: CDR: Slashdot | 15 Minutes
Jim Choate wrote: http://slashdot.org/features/01/03/10/0358220.shtml And this has what to do with crypto exactly? -- --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net
Re: Toy gun ban: This is pleasantly insane
Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk_politics/newsid_1207000/1207355.stm Some toy guns could be made illegal if the government goes ahead with its intention to ban replica firearms. Home Office minister Charles Clarke revealed that such a move was possible when he spoke at an exhibition of seized fake weapons, which included imitation Uzi machine pistols and an SA-80 assault rifle. Such replicas can be bought in shops or by mail order and are frequently used by criminals. The minister said replicas posed a "real threat" to society. The British can own single and double barrel shotguns, but only if they're licensed and registered and they can only use birdshot. If you take a look at British gun magazines, you'll see advertisements for really good replica firearms- They're kind of expensive though. An unintended consequence to all of this prohibitionist activity, and a not altogether harmful one IMHO, is that the average citizen is losing more and more respect for the government. And the ultimate unintended consequence is the logical choice between violating the law by owning an illegal fake firearm or by violating the law owning a real one. Most people will choose owning a real one- Regards, Matt- ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
Re: CDR: Re: Slashdot | 15 Minutes
I don't mind so much that he surfs one or two news sites and posts a bunch of urls. I'd wish that: 1. he'd stick to on-topic articles and not give us any random shit he likes 2. he'd post a one or two paragraph quote from the article describing it under the urls. 3. put all the news stories from one site (slashdot for example) in one email as if it were a digest. The way he "helps" us is annoying at best and only one or two notches removed from spam. What pisses me off is that I actually do read slashdot regularly, and don't need twenty or so emails a week with just urls. It's pointless to send them here if they don't generate discussions, and rarely do they ever. Hey, it's great that someone this year will be able to clone humans. It's great that there's some guy up in canada that wants to build a napster clone and use sealand, it's great that there are movie reviews out there, it's great that strides are being made in quantum computing, but none of it is relevant here. Hell, what's next? I enjoy eating out once in a while, Jim, while it might be entertaining for you to post restaurant reviews, it would also be off topic. Well at least he's not emailing us entire web pages javascript and all anymore... I guess the lithium is helping a bit... if only he'd take some of the prozac too. :) Jim Choate wrote: http://slashdot.org/features/01/03/10/0358220.shtml At 12:46 PM -0500 3/12/01, Sunder wrote: And this has what to do with crypto exactly? Tim May wrote: It's amazing to see the volume of one-line URL pointers Choate spews. -- --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net
Re: CDR: Toy gun ban: This is pleasantly insane
Declan McCullagh wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk_politics/newsid_1207000/1207355.stm Some toy guns could be made illegal if the government goes ahead with its intention to ban replica firearms. Truly is thoughtcrime. Home Office minister Charles Clarke revealed that such a move was possible when he spoke at an exhibition of seized fake weapons, which included imitation Uzi machine pistols and an SA-80 assault rifle. Such replicas can be bought in shops or by mail order and are frequently used by criminals. So are soap, towels, shaving cream, aftershave, pints of guinesss, shoes, underwear, socks, coats, sunglasses, hats, and other items. Hey, let's ban them all. After all they're all frequently used by criminals. The minister said replicas posed a "real threat" to society. This "Ministry of Truth" is the real threat. -- --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net
Re: Attorney for a Mutton Sandwich
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Daniel J. Boone wrote: The Usual Suspect wrote: 1: Legislators and Judges are the pimps of modern American society. 2: Police, lawyers, and reporters are their whores. 3: Democracy is dead. Line 1: See my .sig. Yeah, so what. Line 2: Some of us choose our clients with greater care than others. Which is irrelevant to the point I'm making. And as for Line 3, would that it were so! As the wise man said: "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner." The wise man isn't so wise, he (and you) clearly don't understand 'democracy'. Legislators and Judges are the pimps of modern American society. Police, lawyers, and reporters are their whores. The people are their 'John's'. Democracy is dead. Copyright 2001 All Rights Reserved The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Slashdot | 15 Minutes
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Sunder wrote: I'd wish that: 1. he'd stick to on-topic articles and not give us any random shit he likes Every post I send is 'on topic' to crypto, civil liberties, or economics. 2. he'd post a one or two paragraph quote from the article describing it under the urls. Keep wanting. 3. put all the news stories from one site (slashdot for example) in one email as if it were a digest. Keep wanting. The way he "helps" us is annoying at best and only one or two notches removed from spam. What makes you think I'm wanting to 'help' you or whatever 'us' you're refering to. What pisses me off is that I actually do read slashdot regularly, and don't You just want to be pissed off, and if you can make me the target so much the better. Legislators and Judges are the pimps of modern American society. Police, lawyers, and reporters are their whores. The people are their 'John's'. Democracy is dead. Copyright 2001 All Rights Reserved The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Toy gun ban: This is pleasantly insane
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Alan Olsen wrote: Next thing you know, it will be considered assault to hold your finger like a gun and say "bang". (If it is not already.) That can get you arrested for 'making a threat' here in the states. Legislators and Judges are the pimps of modern American society. Police, lawyers, and reporters are their whores. The people are their 'John's'. Democracy is dead. Copyright 2001 All Rights Reserved The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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If law is based on precedence
Why is the Constitution not the root precedent? Legislators and Judges are the pimps of modern American society. Police, lawyers, and reporters are their whores. The people are their 'John's'. Democracy is dead. Copyright 2001 All Rights Reserved The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Slashdot | 15 Minutes
Jim Choate signed: Legislators and Judges are the pimps of modern American society. Police, lawyers, and reporters are their whores. The people are their 'John's'. Democracy is dead. Copyright 2001 All Rights Reserved The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- To those tracking Jim's signature for future prosecution I'd like to state that he's a nut and has no control over what he thinks, writes, posts, declares, corrects, impunes, mocks, refuses, acts on, reacts stupidly to, misses by a mile, mischaracterizes scientifically, rats on, and slaughters with unintended belly laughter. He suffers dementia from a windfall due to Tivoli's buyout by mad cow diseased IBM. Until that day when Jim got a bunch of money he didn't deserve, and it was a glorious moment we all dream of, he was rational and could be approached with safety. Not any more. If there's any desire on the part of authorities to setup a Jim Bell next-in-line, Jim Choate ain't it. He'd never pass the psychological evaluation -- which come to think of it, is a pretty damn smart state to be in these days, so I'm heading up Jim's asshole for protection from the avenging angels who own his heart and mind. Remember the chip the feds planted in Jim, right next to the one put there by IBM -- actually identical devices for assuring obedience even while protesting against the powers that power the chips lucre.
Re: The Private Secretary Of The Most Honorable Sir
I should have known better than to cut paste straight from a text with thorns in it. That little sig would have better been: "Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen lytlath." Now you know how the Russian spammers feel. Interesting line, a bit pessimistic though. -- FREE ANONYMOUS EMAIL! Sign up now. http://www.subdimension.com/freemail
Re: Slashdot | 15 Minutes
Wow, I got some money? When? From where? You really should get your facts straight or your dose adjusted, John. I was hired on the week IBM bought Tivoli. I didn't get a penny. Never heard of Tivoli until they walked into the local Linux user group I was helping run and asked me to come in for a job interview. Biggest network I'd ever seen was about 50 machines, now 10,000 is itty bitty. Didn't know anything about IBM buying them out, and nobody outside of Tivoli IBM did either (well some lawyers perhaps). I was working at the local Community College on a 'Semiconductor Technology' course to train folks for the various fab's around Austin. It's only the 4th one to ever get accredited by all the major manufacturers. I was the technical lead, responsible for course content, lab design, etc. Not bad for somebody without a degree I've always felt. Outside of that I ran their books, managed purchasing, and did the occassional tutoring across the full electronics course schedule. I worked there about 2.5 years. Before that I'd worked for Compu-Add, coming on board to do technical support for Desert Storm (though we didn't know it at the time) and their Point-of-Sale line. As to my technical and troubleshooting skills, I'll let anyone who has worked for me or directly with me answer that. Anyone else isn't qualified to even have an opinion. I would like to also add that I'm glad I don't live in NY. Any state that would let somebody like you practice medicine without a license is not someplace I want to even visit. On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, John Young wrote: To those tracking Jim's signature for future prosecution I'd like to state that he's a nut and has no control over what he thinks, writes, posts, declares, corrects, impunes, mocks, refuses, acts on, reacts stupidly to, misses by a mile, mischaracterizes scientifically, rats on, and slaughters with unintended belly laughter. He suffers dementia from a windfall due to Tivoli's buyout by mad cow diseased IBM. Until that day when Jim got a bunch of money he didn't deserve, and it was a glorious moment we all dream of, he was rational and could be approached with safety. Not any more. Legislators and Judges are the pimps of modern American society. Police, lawyers, and reporters are their whores. The people are their 'John's'. Democracy is dead. Copyright 2001 All Rights Reserved The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
An observation about 'cypherpunks'
Out of the half-dozen or so lists I frequent, the 'Cypherpunks' is the only list where anyone, and I mean anyone, has said anything about my previous sig, privately or on the list. I wonder what that says, hmm.. If the law is based on precedence, why is the Constitution not the final precedence since it's the primary authority? The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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RE: My .sig
From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Yes, it's insulting. Hell, it's insulting to me.
Since you broached the subject
The text of the .sig, in either this or the 'classic' version, doesn't
bother me. However, it's too long: The copyright notice is
redundant since the Berne Convention, and ascii graphics in
sig files ceased to be cool about the time disco died.
Not many people use fixed width fonts to read mail, so I'll let the
rest of you know that it's a crude representation of an armadillo.
Why Jim would choose this creature as a personal totem is an
interesting question. The armadillo is best known for it's
stupidity, often demonstrated on Texas roads: ("hmm... a very
big thing is bearing down on me at 60 mph. I'll deal with it by
rolling into a ball.. SPLUUUP!"
They are also the only known non-human carriers of leprosy.
BTW Jim, you ought to read PJ O'Rourke's "Parliment of Whores".
(this suggestion is not made in satire or irony; I honestly think
you'd enjoy it :-)
Peter Trei
(who does not need a .sig but often #includes std-disclaimer.h)
Legislators and Judges are the pimps of modern American society.
Police, lawyers, and reporters are their whores.
The people are their 'John's'. Democracy is dead.
Copyright 2001 All Rights Reserved
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Re: Consensus? We don't need no stinkin' consensus...
An anonymous twit writes: Anger expressed by commission is usually justified by laudable motives, e.g. concern for the well-being of the victim. The expression of the anger is dictated by the desire to wound while concealing the intention to wound -- even the existence of the anger. This is not to spare the feelings of the victim but to wound them more effectively. The intent is to provoke counteranger with such subtlety that the victim blames himself and believes his anger is not justified. That way, people with PAPD can assume the role of innocent victim (Kantor, 1992, pp. 178-180). They may make directly hostile statements because they fail to perceive their own motivating attitude, perceive their hostility too late, or believe that their attitude can be concealed. Can't we do without Victimologist prattle on a cryptography and privacy list? Shrinks should be next after all the lawyers are fed to the lions. "Medicalizing" your opponent's argument, instead of responding to it, is a tactic of police states, religious nuts, controlling relatives, and idiots. Which one are you? -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
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Re: Toy gun ban: This is pleasantly insane
FWIW: even in Kalifornia, you can walk into a store and walk out with a black powder revolver, powder, caps, balls and patches. At 01:58 PM 3/12/01 -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk_politics/newsid_1207000/1207355.stm Some toy guns could be made illegal if the government goes ahead with its intention to ban replica firearms. Home Office minister Charles Clarke revealed that such a move was possible when he spoke at an exhibition of seized fake weapons, which included imitation Uzi machine pistols and an SA-80 assault rifle. Such replicas can be bought in shops or by mail order and are frequently used by criminals. The minister said replicas posed a "real threat" to society. The British can own single and double barrel shotguns, but only if they're licensed and registered and they can only use birdshot. If you take a look at British gun magazines, you'll see advertisements for really good replica firearms- They're kind of expensive though. An unintended consequence to all of this prohibitionist activity, and a not altogether harmful one IMHO, is that the average citizen is losing more and more respect for the government. And the ultimate unintended consequence is the logical choice between violating the law by owning an illegal fake firearm or by violating the law owning a real one. Most people will choose owning a real one- Regards, Matt- ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **
papd.sig
Out of the half-dozen or so lists I frequent, the 'Cypherpunks' is the only list where anyone, and I mean anyone, has said anything about my previous sig, privately or on the list. I wonder what that says, hmm.. Is that what all the psychoanalytic babble was about? Hurt feelings? The .sig is an attitudinal antecedent to the Jefferson quote that Tim used to use and is not particularly original. I think the analogy is a bit off too - an analogy that equates the members of the power structure to those of a feudal system like an organized crime syndicate might better fit. Also, note the way that a "logical" discussion of PAPD can be used to classify anyone who disagrees. Next step after we've identified those with deflicted vision - get the reporters to write about internet-using subversives, get a judge to sign the papers, tattoo a number on 'em and take 'em away for reeducation. Fill lots of pages, make it sound as logical as you want too, it's still leukocytoid dogdoo. Longing for the good old days of "concealement grilles" and universal ground straps, Mike
One source of JC's inferiority complex
At 05:54 PM 3/12/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: course content, lab design, etc. Not bad for somebody without a degree I've always felt. Plenty of folks sans degrees have a clue, though, Jim...
Re: CDR: RE: My .sig
At 08:45 PM 3/12/01 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: Not many people use fixed width fonts to read mail, so I'll let the They deserve to die, along with HTML posters.
Re: Consensus? We don't need no stinkin' consensus...
At 05:51 PM 3/12/01 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: Can't we do without Victimologist prattle on a cryptography and privacy list? Shrinks should be next after all the lawyers are fed to the lions. "Medicalizing" your opponent's argument, instead of responding to it, is a tactic of police states, religious nuts, controlling relatives, and idiots. Which one are you? Do you deny that there are clusters of mental symptoms which seem empirically to have organic causes? Even syndromes with mere software (talk-talk solvable) causes? Don't throw out the baby with the gulag. dh
RE: Toy gun ban: This is pleasantly insane
Next thing you know, it will be considered assault to hold your finger like a gun and say "bang". (If it is not already.) Try it in Heathrow airport and you will get ten years. Zero tollerance requires a zero IQ. So with Dufus in the Whitehouse zero tollerance in the US will be comming soon. Phill
Re: CDR: Re: Consensus? We don't need no stinkin' consensus...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Eric Cordian wrote: "Medicalizing" your opponent's argument, instead of responding to it, is a tactic of police states, religious nuts, controlling relatives, and idiots. Which one are you? Shit, there's a diff? Sometimes I sits and think, and somtimes I just sits. I think I'll sits and think on that one :) If the law is based on precedence, why is the Constitution not the final precedence since it's the primary authority? The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Cypherpunk Psychobabble
It isn't that you think that I'm nuts that funny. It's that you think you aren't. If the law is based on precedence, why is the Constitution not the final precedence since it's the primary authority? The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: [Re: Consensus? We don't need no stinkin' consensus...]
I support your judgement about "Medicalizing" your opponent's arguments with the belief of having some practical value. Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An anonymous twit writes: Anger expressed by commission is usually justified by laudable motives, e.g. concern for the well-being of the victim. The expression of the anger is dictated by the desire to wound while concealing the intention to wound -- even the existence of the anger. This is not to spare the feelings of the victim but to wound them more effectively. The intent is to provoke counteranger with such subtlety that the victim blames himself and believes his anger is not justified. That way, people with PAPD can assume the role of innocent victim (Kantor, 1992, pp. 178-180). They may make directly hostile statements because they fail to perceive their own motivating attitude, perceive their hostility too late, or believe that their attitude can be concealed. Can't we do without Victimologist prattle on a cryptography and privacy list? Shrinks should be next after all the lawyers are fed to the lions. "Medicalizing" your opponent's argument, instead of responding to it, is a tactic of police states, religious nuts, controlling relatives, and idiots. Which one are you? -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
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