Re: Re: Label releases copy-protected CD
It's clear this CD won't play in an audio CD player. You load it into a computer, you buy a decryption key and then you can download audio into an MP3 player. (So the article claims). So a few of the MP3 players support the broken SDMI copy marking schemes, perhaps this is what they're talking about hooking into. Otherwise if it really ends up putting an mp3 into the player, just read it back out and distribute. It may be marked but that doesn't prevent distribution, and won't strongly deter it either -- credit card fraud being what it is. Adam On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:43:51PM -0400, tidepool wrote: The way I see it, they will be unable to provide any sort of scheme that will prevent people from converting sounds into mp3's or a similar compression scheme. As long as the user can hear the end result, they will be able to convert the music into a digital file. *sigh*, people don't get it.
Re: Label releases copy-protected CD
On Wed, 16 May 2001, ming wrote: It's not insane to imagine a world where RCA cables disappear and firewire to your speakers is the norm. Of course, hard-core tweakers can go in there and find the digital-analog converter and capture from there. But for those of us without an electrical engineering degree -- I'll buy the box that you make and sell... Actually, it's possible to make digital speakers, at least there is no 'analog' section per se. For example, Sample your signal to 8-bits. Signal process it. Send it to a R-2R ladder of SCR's (or transistors with the appropriate IsubC) in parallel (Wired-OR to be a pedant, thus each provides some power of 2 the total possible current). You can also do this with TTL Open Collector (or similar) outputs (the Totem Pole ones won't work). [ And on the off chance the idea ain't copyrighted/patented, it's public domain ] ...where annual election ends, tyranny begins; Thomas Jefferson Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Label releases copy-protected CD
On Wed, 16 May 2001, tidepool wrote: The way I see it, they will be unable to provide any sort of scheme that will prevent people from converting sounds into mp3's or a similar compression scheme. As long as the user can hear the end result, they will be able to convert the music into a digital file. The way I see it, record labels are totally redundant right now and copy protection, especially if it works, will drive them right out of business by driving people to discover this fact. Artists get royally screwed by record labels, and mostly (with the exception of a few really famous ones) can make as much producing open content. With the internet, they no longer need record labels for distribution. The labels don't understand this yet, so they're trying to do copy protection. If they succeed in making themselves a barrier between the artists and the fans, and there's a way around the barrier with open-content artists, then both artists and fans will dump them like a hot rock. Whenever I see a music executive trying to get copy protection working, it gives me joy. If they get what they want, and it works or comes reasonably close, then it will kill them, and good riddance. Bear
RE: Label releases copy-protected CD
On Wed, 16 May 2001, ganns.com wrote: Ray, that is an interesting view of the situation, wanting them to succeed so that they cut their own throats. I'll bet that after subtracting manufacturing costs and the label cut, entire mp3(or suitable format) albums could be purchased online for between US$3-5, with single songs going for $1 or less. I would purchse a lot more music if I could just click for $5 right when I am in the mood to get it, rather than haul off to the mall for that sole purpose. Anyone know if there are there any groups/mainstream artists/distributors engaged in such a plan? Sure. Check Courtney Love's site for starters. Bear
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At 06:44 PM 5/16/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: Actually, it's possible to make digital speakers, at least there is no 'analog' section per se. There is a class of audio amplifiers which sends pulse-code-modulated pure square waves (ca. 1 Mhz) to the speakers, which integrate the pulses to produce hi-fi sound. These are currently being sold by e.g., TI. Pretty sweet specs and easily possible with commercial CMOS. Of course, an attacker would simply integrate with the appropriate inductance and convert at that point, so the 'digitalness' is moot. You might do better digitizing the actual signal and using computational methods. FWIW
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At 05:34 PM 5/16/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: The way I see it, record labels are totally redundant right now and copy protection, especially if it works, will drive them right out of business by driving people to discover this fact. I'm all for disintermediation, but realize that editors *do* provide a service to consumers. Similarly, a 'record label' could mutate into an editing service; Robert Fripp, for instance, has his own production these days, and promotes folks who have worked with him (equiv. to editing).
Re: Label releases copy-protected CD
Yeah, when's the release date? I'll definitely buy a copy to play with. Has anyone thought that this might just be a maketing scheme? All the geeks go buy a copy and the disc goes to the top 40 in a week... -jmp David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 03:37 PM 5/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2001, Blank Frank wrote: Label releases copy-protected CD with Pride More power to him. Let this guy copy-protect his songs if he can; Well sure... Sooner or later the artists who intentionally release free music will bury him. Meanwhile an analog recording will appear on Napster and GAME OVER. To say nothing of reverse engineers picking up the challenge... --
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On Tue, 15 May 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote: More power to him. Let this guy copy-protect his songs if he can; Sooner or later the artists who intentionally release free music will bury him. Bear The way I see it, they will be unable to provide any sort of scheme that will prevent people from converting sounds into mp3's or a similar compression scheme. As long as the user can hear the end result, they will be able to convert the music into a digital file. *sigh*, people don't get it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg public key @ www.rudiments.net/publickey.gpg
Re: Label releases copy-protected CD
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote: More power to him. Let this guy copy-protect his songs if he can; Sooner or later the artists who intentionally release free music will bury him. Bear The way I see it, they will be unable to provide any sort of scheme that will prevent people from converting sounds into mp3's or a similar compression scheme. As long as the user can hear the end result, they will be able to convert the music into a digital file. *sigh*, people don't get it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg public key @ www.rudiments.net/publickey.gpg
Re: Label releases copy-protected CD
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Blank Frank wrote: Label releases copy-protected CD with Pride More power to him. Let this guy copy-protect his songs if he can; Sooner or later the artists who intentionally release free music will bury him. Bear
Label releases copy-protected CD
Tuesday May 15 10:00 AM EDT Label releases copy-protected CD with Pride By Gwendolyn Mariano CNET News.com As teenagers slip through Napster (news - web sites)'s increasingly dense filters for the latest pop craze, veteran country music singer Charley Pride is trying to sell a new method of thwarting file traders: copy-protected CDs. Nashville, Tenn.-based Music City Records is betting that the technology protecting A Tribute to Jim Reeves, to be released Tuesday, will keep the songs from appearing on Napster and alternative free file-swapping services. In March, a federal court order required Napster to block access to certain files identified by the record industry as copyrighted works. The company has been covering its service with complex filters, but record labels, musicians and publishers are still wary of the Net and its ability to open doors to free music. As a result, the music, publishing and film industries are working with digital rights management companies to thwart would-be pirates. Although record labels and film studios have had some success in courts, the technological side has proven more difficult. Last year, BMG Germany's push to secure CDs using technology from Israeli security company Midbar failed. BMG abandoned its project after complaints piled up from customers who said their players could not read the discs. On Pride's new album, encryption technology by Phoenix-based SunnComm prevents people from copying the CD's music on a burner or downloading it onto Napster in a digital form, according to Music City Records. The recordings can be downloaded into MP3 or other music file formats, but only after an individual purchases the CD, which has a list price of $16.98, and registers that copy. Bob Heatherly, chief executive of Music City Records is confident that the CD will prevent people from breaking the encryption code. The label, which was founded in January, decided to release copy-protected CDs in response to Napster's controversial service, which does not compensate artists. Heatherly added that when he negotiated with Pride to sign him on his label, the singer wanted to ensure that his music was protected. It's the first release on Music City Records, so it's kind of a landmark for me and Charley, Heatherly said. It looked like the labels were laying back to see what the courts do, and I can't believe the courts are continuing to let Napster run the service...(so) it was a perfect time to do it. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010515/tc/label_releases_copy-protected_cd_with_pride_1.html
Re: Label releases copy-protected CD
At 03:37 PM 5/15/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2001, Blank Frank wrote: Label releases copy-protected CD with Pride More power to him. Let this guy copy-protect his songs if he can; Well sure... Sooner or later the artists who intentionally release free music will bury him. Meanwhile an analog recording will appear on Napster and GAME OVER. To say nothing of reverse engineers picking up the challenge...
