Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release review

2013-08-14 Thread Matthias Sohn
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:08 AM, simone.seu...@sungard.com wrote:

  Hi everybody,

 ** **

 because it is our first service release I just wanted to check if a
 service release is also processed like the yearly major release.

 Do we have to follow [1] and [2] or is there a different process?

 ** **

 Sorry if I overlooked something in the documentation and thanks for the
 help in advance.

 ** **

 Simone

 ** **

 [1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/HOWTO/Review_Process

 [2] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/HOWTO/Release_Reviews***
 *



AFAIK if you want to release a pure maintenance release (only bugfixes, no
new features)
you don't need a release review, if you want to ship new features you need
the review.

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release review

2013-08-14 Thread David M Williams
I'll take this topic as a good segue to summarize Planning Council's view 
on more frequent releases and including new features in SRs. I'll try 
to keep in brief, but anyone is welcome to read my full notes of meeting 
at http://wiki.eclipse.org/Planning_Council/August_7_2013

First, it was recognized our slow pace was not satisfying all projects 
and adopters, but ... 
Second, it was satisfying most, so the short answer is status quo 
continues ... though we committed to continue the discussion for the long 
term. Its just that no one knew of any easy answers that could be 
implemented easily, without requiring more work from everyone. 

The status quo is captured in our current policy statement, at 
http://wiki.eclipse.org/SimRel/Simultaneous_Release_FAQ#Can_a_new_project_or_feature_join_a_Simultaneous_Service_Release_.28SR1_or_SR2.29.3F

In fact, it turns out several strategic adopting members were surprised we 
allow new features at all ... and wanted the emphasis to stay on bug fixes 
and quality improvements in the SRs, and to not be surprised by new 
features. So, we humbling ask projects to announce and summarize here on 
cross-project list when they are adding new features and when minor 
versions increment.  We definitely want to allow projects to add new 
features when they need to, based on the needs of their community and 
adopters ... but don't want to encourage experiments with new features 
that might not be fully baked yet. So, we'll stick with the restrictions 
that new releases must be released a month before RC1 and be in RC1, 
as our policy states. 

This does not prevent any project from having a new release anytime you 
want  but might mean you can not contribute it to Simultaneous 
Release maintenance. 

Hope this helps adds clarity to the current rules for Simultaneous 
Release maintenance. 

Thanks, 




From:   Gunnar Wagenknecht gun...@wagenknecht.org
To: Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org, 
Date:   08/14/2013 08:55 AM
Subject:Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 
release review
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Am 14.08.2013 um 02:41 schrieb Matthias Sohn matthias.s...@gmail.com:
 AFAIK if you want to release a pure maintenance release (only bugfixes, 
no new features)
 you don't need a release review, if you want to ship new features you 
need the review.

Yes, this is correct. Technically, a pure maintenance (aka. service) 
releases changes only the 'x' of 'a.b.x' version string.

-Gunnar

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) aggregation ... and SR1 reminders

2013-08-14 Thread Marcel Bruch
Hi David,

is there any chance we can get http://download.eclipse.org/releases/luna/ 
populated with the platform+jdt before m1?

Thanks,
Marcel


On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:04 PM, David M Williams david_willi...@us.ibm.com wrote:

  Hi David, 
  could you please update the corresponding google calendar? 
  I've imported the linked iCal file, but can't find any Luna 
  milestones entries.   
  
  Best regards, 
  Dennis. 
 
 
 I have updated the Google Calendar for the reset of this year (through Luna 
 M4) ... you can see there is overlap between Kepler SR1 and Luna M2 ... so 
 please 
 plan accordingly. 
 https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=gchs7nm4nvpm837469ddj9tjlk%40group.calendar.google.comctz=America/New_York
  
 
 I'll update the rest after Planning Council formally approves it. 
 
 Our SR1 RC1 is coming up soon. While it is considered a warm-up please make 
 sure your latest service contributions are in and working, since, shortly 
 after that we have a pretty short runway to the final SR1. 
 http://wiki.eclipse.org/Kepler/Simultaneous_Release_Plan#SR1 
 
 
 Thanks, 
 
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release review

2013-08-14 Thread Igor Fedorenko

Is new releases must be released a month before SR RC1 a new requirement?

--
Regards,
Igor

On 2013-08-14 6:53 PM, David M Williams wrote:

I'll take this topic as a good segue to summarize Planning Council's
view on more frequent releases and including new features in SRs.
I'll try to keep in brief, but anyone is welcome to read my full notes
of meeting at http://wiki.eclipse.org/Planning_Council/August_7_2013

First, it was recognized our slow pace was not satisfying all projects
and adopters, but ...
Second, it was satisfying most, so the short answer is status quo
continues ... though we committed to continue the discussion for the
long term. Its just that no one knew of any easy answers that could be
implemented easily, without requiring more work from everyone.

The status quo is captured in our current policy statement, at
http://wiki.eclipse.org/SimRel/Simultaneous_Release_FAQ#Can_a_new_project_or_feature_join_a_Simultaneous_Service_Release_.28SR1_or_SR2.29.3F


In fact, it turns out several strategic adopting members were surprised
we allow new features at all ... and wanted the emphasis to stay on bug
fixes and quality improvements in the SRs, and to not be surprised by
new features. So, we humbling ask projects to announce and summarize
here on cross-project list when they are adding new features and when
minor versions increment.  We definitely want to allow projects to add
new features when they need to, based on the needs of their community
and adopters ... but don't want to encourage experiments with new
features that might not be fully baked yet. So, we'll stick with the
restrictions that new releases must be released a month before RC1 and
be in RC1, as our policy states.

This does not prevent any project from having a new release anytime you
want  but might mean you can not contribute it to Simultaneous
Release maintenance.

Hope this helps adds clarity to the current rules for Simultaneous
Release maintenance.

Thanks,




From: Gunnar Wagenknecht gun...@wagenknecht.org
To: Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org,
Date: 08/14/2013 08:55 AM
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release
review
Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org




Am 14.08.2013 um 02:41 schrieb Matthias Sohn matthias.s...@gmail.com:
  AFAIK if you want to release a pure maintenance release (only
bugfixes, no new features)
  you don't need a release review, if you want to ship new features you
need the review.

Yes, this is correct. Technically, a pure maintenance (aka. service)
releases changes only the 'x' of 'a.b.x' version string.

-Gunnar

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release review

2013-08-14 Thread Doug Schaefer
Yeah actually that doesn't make sense. Why have the release sit around for a 
month instead of fixing bugs in it right to the end of the SR?

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
From: Igor Fedorenko
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:24 AM
To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org
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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release review


Is new releases must be released a month before SR RC1 a new requirement?

--
Regards,
Igor

On 2013-08-14 6:53 PM, David M Williams wrote:
 I'll take this topic as a good segue to summarize Planning Council's
 view on more frequent releases and including new features in SRs.
 I'll try to keep in brief, but anyone is welcome to read my full notes
 of meeting at http://wiki.eclipse.org/Planning_Council/August_7_2013

 First, it was recognized our slow pace was not satisfying all projects
 and adopters, but ...
 Second, it was satisfying most, so the short answer is status quo
 continues ... though we committed to continue the discussion for the
 long term. Its just that no one knew of any easy answers that could be
 implemented easily, without requiring more work from everyone.

 The status quo is captured in our current policy statement, at
 http://wiki.eclipse.org/SimRel/Simultaneous_Release_FAQ#Can_a_new_project_or_feature_join_a_Simultaneous_Service_Release_.28SR1_or_SR2.29.3F


 In fact, it turns out several strategic adopting members were surprised
 we allow new features at all ... and wanted the emphasis to stay on bug
 fixes and quality improvements in the SRs, and to not be surprised by
 new features. So, we humbling ask projects to announce and summarize
 here on cross-project list when they are adding new features and when
 minor versions increment.  We definitely want to allow projects to add
 new features when they need to, based on the needs of their community
 and adopters ... but don't want to encourage experiments with new
 features that might not be fully baked yet. So, we'll stick with the
 restrictions that new releases must be released a month before RC1 and
 be in RC1, as our policy states.

 This does not prevent any project from having a new release anytime you
 want  but might mean you can not contribute it to Simultaneous
 Release maintenance.

 Hope this helps adds clarity to the current rules for Simultaneous
 Release maintenance.

 Thanks,




 From: Gunnar Wagenknecht gun...@wagenknecht.org
 To: Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org,
 Date: 08/14/2013 08:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release
 review
 Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org
 



 Am 14.08.2013 um 02:41 schrieb Matthias Sohn matthias.s...@gmail.com:
   AFAIK if you want to release a pure maintenance release (only
 bugfixes, no new features)
   you don't need a release review, if you want to ship new features you
 need the review.

 Yes, this is correct. Technically, a pure maintenance (aka. service)
 releases changes only the 'x' of 'a.b.x' version string.

 -Gunnar

 --
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 gun...@wagenknecht.org





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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release review

2013-08-14 Thread David M Williams
Its new as of last April. 

And, by all means ... fix bugs and then submit a maintenance release for 
final version (which would not need a new release). 

Released, in this context, means the formal Eclipse process of having 
been through the required release review which is always required of new 
releases. 




From:   Doug Schaefer dschae...@qnx.com
To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org 
cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org, 
cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org 
cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org, 
Date:   08/14/2013 11:33 AM
Subject:Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 
release review
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Yeah actually that doesn't make sense. Why have the release sit around for 
a month instead of fixing bugs in it right to the end of the SR?

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
From: Igor Fedorenko
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:24 AM
To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org
Reply To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release 
review

Is new releases must be released a month before SR RC1 a new 
requirement?

--
Regards,
Igor

On 2013-08-14 6:53 PM, David M Williams wrote:
 I'll take this topic as a good segue to summarize Planning Council's
 view on more frequent releases and including new features in SRs.
 I'll try to keep in brief, but anyone is welcome to read my full notes
 of meeting at http://wiki.eclipse.org/Planning_Council/August_7_2013

 First, it was recognized our slow pace was not satisfying all projects
 and adopters, but ...
 Second, it was satisfying most, so the short answer is status quo
 continues ... though we committed to continue the discussion for the
 long term. Its just that no one knew of any easy answers that could be
 implemented easily, without requiring more work from everyone.

 The status quo is captured in our current policy statement, at
 
http://wiki.eclipse.org/SimRel/Simultaneous_Release_FAQ#Can_a_new_project_or_feature_join_a_Simultaneous_Service_Release_.28SR1_or_SR2.29.3F



 In fact, it turns out several strategic adopting members were surprised
 we allow new features at all ... and wanted the emphasis to stay on bug
 fixes and quality improvements in the SRs, and to not be surprised by
 new features. So, we humbling ask projects to announce and summarize
 here on cross-project list when they are adding new features and when
 minor versions increment.  We definitely want to allow projects to add
 new features when they need to, based on the needs of their community
 and adopters ... but don't want to encourage experiments with new
 features that might not be fully baked yet. So, we'll stick with the
 restrictions that new releases must be released a month before RC1 and
 be in RC1, as our policy states.

 This does not prevent any project from having a new release anytime you
 want  but might mean you can not contribute it to Simultaneous
 Release maintenance.

 Hope this helps adds clarity to the current rules for Simultaneous
 Release maintenance.

 Thanks,




 From: Gunnar Wagenknecht gun...@wagenknecht.org
 To: Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org,
 Date: 08/14/2013 08:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release
 review
 Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org
 



 Am 14.08.2013 um 02:41 schrieb Matthias Sohn matthias.s...@gmail.com:
   AFAIK if you want to release a pure maintenance release (only
 bugfixes, no new features)
   you don't need a release review, if you want to ship new features you
 need the review.

 Yes, this is correct. Technically, a pure maintenance (aka. service)
 releases changes only the 'x' of 'a.b.x' version string.

 -Gunnar

 --
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 gun...@wagenknecht.org





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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) aggregation

2013-08-14 Thread Greg Watson
Does anyone know if CDT will be enabled for M1? We can't enable PTP without CDT.

Thanks,
Greg

On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David M Williams david_willi...@us.ibm.com wrote:

 I hope everyone has enjoyed their summer vacations ... but now back to work! 
 :) 
 
 We do have a preliminary schedule for Luna milestones, see 
 http://wiki.eclipse.org/Luna/Simultaneous_Release_Plan#Schedule 
 (though, that one table is only part of that document to review, at the 
 moment). 
 
 The complete schedule is still open for review and tweaking, but the first 
 several milestones are pretty much a given, and the first one is due in two 
 weeks! The overall schedule (of having approximately 6 week milestones) is 
 pretty much just like previous years. The one main difference is that we 
 moved up M5 and M6 to make sure M6 finished before EclipseCon 2014 started 
 (so ... we don't allow an extra week for end-of-year holidays) and this M5 
 and M6 change means M7 is a week longer than usual: 8 weeks instead of 7! 
 
 As always, we hope everyone in 'kepler' stays in 'luna', but ... to make sure 
 ... we require explicit buy in. In practice, this means I started the 
 'master' branch with what ever it was for Kepler, but then set 
 enabled=false for everyone's contribution.  If you plan to be in Luna, 
 please removed the enabled=false from your contribution element. If you 
 are not quite ready to actually make a contribution, you can put 
 enabled=false in your repository element to signify the difference of 
 planning to participate, but contribution not ready yet. If nothing else, 
 you may simply have to wait until your pre-reqs make their contributions. 
 
 I have enabled the contributions for Eclipse and Equinox (with out likely 
 Luna M1 content), and produced a preliminary staging repo ... which has 
 only those two projects in it, at the moment. 
 
 Let the fun begin! As always, questions to this list are welcome. 
 
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) aggregation ... and SR1 reminders

2013-08-14 Thread Igor Fedorenko

Can you elaborate? Using m2e as an example, what repositories am I
supposed to use to resolve jdt, xml editor and emf dependencies needed
to build m2e Luna M1?

--
Regards,
Igor

On 2013-08-14 7:33 PM, David M Williams wrote:

Nope. If you need that ... sounds like you are doing something wrong :)




From: Marcel Bruch marcel.br...@codetrails.com
To: Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org,
Date: 08/14/2013 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) aggregation
...and SR1 reminders
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Hi David,

is there any chance we can get
_http://download.eclipse.org/releases/luna/_populated with the
platform+jdt before m1?

Thanks,
Marcel


On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:04 PM, David M Williams
_david_willi...@us.ibm.com_ mailto:david_willi...@us.ibm.com wrote:

  Hi David,
  could you please update the corresponding google calendar?
  I've imported the linked iCal file, but can't find any Luna
  milestones entries.
 
  Best regards,
  Dennis.


I have updated the Google Calendar for the reset of this year (through
Luna M4) ... you can see there is overlap between Kepler SR1 and Luna
M2 ... so please
plan accordingly. _
__https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=gchs7nm4nvpm837469ddj9tjlk%40group.calendar.google.comctz=America/New_York_

I'll update the rest after Planning Council formally approves it.

Our SR1 RC1 is coming up soon. While it is considered a warm-up please
make sure your latest service contributions are in and working,
since, shortly after that we have a pretty short runway to the final SR1. _
__http://wiki.eclipse.org/Kepler/Simultaneous_Release_Plan#SR1_


Thanks,

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) aggregation ... and SR1 reminders

2013-08-14 Thread David M Williams
What I typically do, is follow the 'dev list' of the projects we rely on. 
There, most projects announce where particular builds or repos are and 
when ready.  And, if not, you can ask there. Such as for Eclipse, we 
always announce on several lists, one being 'eclipse-dev' 

http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse-dev/msg09633.html

Orbit is similar, 
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/orbit-dev/msg03447.html
(though admittedly, there you actually have to look at the download page, 
to find the repository name ... but there is a very predictable pattern). 

Occasionally, we communicate with pre-req projects via bugzilla. For 
example, we in Platform do that with EMF, since there is a subset of EMF 
that we in platform 
need to be stable, before the rest of EMF is (you know, we have one of 
the special relationships where we depend on them, and they depend on us 
:) ... yet we are +0 and they are +1, as a whole. 
For examples, see 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=414969
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=414968

Ideally, it is best not to wait until the final build to build against 
... but to occasionally move up to a weekly I-build, for those projects 
that provide them, since most projects know to make few changes as they 
near a milestone, so you can get a sneak peek if there will be any 
surprises in the final milestone build. 

Hope that helps, perhaps others have other tips? 





From:   Igor Fedorenko ifedore...@sonatype.com
To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org, 
Date:   08/14/2013 12:33 PM
Subject:Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) 
aggregation ... and SR1 reminders
Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org



Can you elaborate? Using m2e as an example, what repositories am I
supposed to use to resolve jdt, xml editor and emf dependencies needed
to build m2e Luna M1?

--
Regards,
Igor

On 2013-08-14 7:33 PM, David M Williams wrote:
 Nope. If you need that ... sounds like you are doing something wrong :)




 From: Marcel Bruch marcel.br...@codetrails.com
 To: Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org,
 Date: 08/14/2013 11:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) aggregation
 ...and SR1 reminders
 Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org
 



 Hi David,

 is there any chance we can get
 _http://download.eclipse.org/releases/luna/_populated with the
 platform+jdt before m1?

 Thanks,
 Marcel


 On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:04 PM, David M Williams
 _david_willi...@us.ibm.com_ mailto:david_willi...@us.ibm.com wrote:

   Hi David,
   could you please update the corresponding google calendar?
   I've imported the linked iCal file, but can't find any Luna
   milestones entries.
  
   Best regards,
   Dennis.


 I have updated the Google Calendar for the reset of this year (through
 Luna M4) ... you can see there is overlap between Kepler SR1 and Luna
 M2 ... so please
 plan accordingly. _
 
__https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=gchs7nm4nvpm837469ddj9tjlk%40group.calendar.google.comctz=America/New_York_

 I'll update the rest after Planning Council formally approves it.

 Our SR1 RC1 is coming up soon. While it is considered a warm-up please
 make sure your latest service contributions are in and working,
 since, shortly after that we have a pretty short runway to the final 
SR1. _
 __http://wiki.eclipse.org/Kepler/Simultaneous_Release_Plan#SR1_


 Thanks,

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) aggregation ... and SR1 reminders

2013-08-14 Thread Marcel Bruch
Wouldn't say need :-) Recommenders 2.0 milestones is enabled.


On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:33 PM, David M Williams david_willi...@us.ibm.com wrote:

 Nope. If you need that ... sounds like you are doing something wrong :) 
 
 
 
 
 From:Marcel Bruch marcel.br...@codetrails.com 
 To:Cross project issues cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org, 
 Date:08/14/2013 11:30 AM 
 Subject:Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ready for Luna (M1) 
 aggregation ...and SR1 reminders 
 Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org 
 
 
 
 Hi David, 
 
 is there any chance we can get http://download.eclipse.org/releases/luna/ 
 populated with the platform+jdt before m1? 
 
 Thanks, 
 Marcel 
 
 
 On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:04 PM, David M Williams david_willi...@us.ibm.com 
 wrote: 
 
  Hi David, 
  could you please update the corresponding google calendar? 
  I've imported the linked iCal file, but can't find any Luna 
  milestones entries.   
  
  Best regards, 
  Dennis. 
 
 
 I have updated the Google Calendar for the reset of this year (through Luna 
 M4) ... you can see there is overlap between Kepler SR1 and Luna M2 ... so 
 please 
 plan accordingly. 
 https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=gchs7nm4nvpm837469ddj9tjlk%40group.calendar.google.comctz=America/New_York
  
 
 I'll update the rest after Planning Council formally approves it. 
 
 Our SR1 RC1 is coming up soon. While it is considered a warm-up please make 
 sure your latest service contributions are in and working, since, shortly 
 after that we have a pretty short runway to the final SR1. 
 http://wiki.eclipse.org/Kepler/Simultaneous_Release_Plan#SR1 
 
 
 Thanks, 
 
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Decommissioning of maven.eclipse.org

2013-08-14 Thread Thanh Ha

Woops apparently I misread my calendar, I meant to say *August* 30th 2013.


Thanh

On 14/08/13 03:04 PM, Thanh Ha wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Per bug 405750 [1] I'd like to take a look into decommissioning 
maven.eclipse.org soon. We now have repo.eclipse.org and several 
projects have already been publishing their artifacts there.


At the moment I'm aiming to do this at the end of this month around 
September 30th 2013 but if this would be an issue for any projects 
please let us know. As far as I can tell the only artifacts that seem 
like they may affect any projects is 2 plugins from the dash project 
which have not been deployed to repo.eclipse.org:


- eclipse-maven-signing-plugin
- eclipse-signing-maven-plugin

If your project uses either of these plugins this may affect you when 
we take the server offline. The CBI project also provides a signing 
plugin called the eclipse-jarsigner-plugin which is available on 
repo.eclipse.org and I would recommend you switch to using this plugin 
if this is the case. A README of how to use the plugin can be found 
here [2].



Thanh


[1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/405750 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=405750
[2] 
http://git.eclipse.org/c/cbi/org.eclipse.cbi.maven.plugins.git/tree/README 




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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release review

2013-08-14 Thread Scott Lewis

On 8/14/2013 3:15 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
I don't remember that being the decision. Another thing that doesn't 
work with projects that want to ship more often and want to update the 
corresponding EPP package with that release.


At the risk of overstating things, I don't think the Planning Council 
equally represents the interests of the many projects that participate 
in the simultaneous release.   That is, I would say that the interests 
of the larger, more well-established projects and their consumers (e.g. 
platform, strategic developers, etc) are overrepresented on the Planning 
Council, and this has resulted in decisions that are counter to the 
increasing needs for innovation from newer/smaller projects...e.g. to 
ship more often, provide more innovation in tooling/IDE, have fewer 
'must have' SR requirements because of resource limitations, etc.


I don't want these comments to be construed as a criticism of chair 
David Williams, or even of the existing Planning Council.  IMHO, the 
problem is more structural.


Scott


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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Question on Kepler SR1 release review

2013-08-14 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
I tend to agree with this. A more representative simrel governance body
would be leads of all participating projects. 

 

- Konstantin

 

 

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On 8/14/2013 3:15 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:

I don't remember that being the decision. Another thing that doesn't work
with projects that want to ship more often and want to update the
corresponding EPP package with that release.


At the risk of overstating things, I don't think the Planning Council
equally represents the interests of the many projects that participate in
the simultaneous release.   That is, I would say that the interests of the
larger, more well-established projects and their consumers (e.g. platform,
strategic developers, etc) are overrepresented on the Planning Council, and
this has resulted in decisions that are counter to the increasing needs for
innovation from newer/smaller projects...e.g. to ship more often, provide
more innovation in tooling/IDE, have fewer 'must have' SR requirements
because of resource limitations, etc.

I don't want these comments to be construed as a criticism of chair David
Williams, or even of the existing Planning Council.  IMHO, the problem is
more structural.

Scott



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