Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Sunsetting Mattermost

[Jens Reimann]

As the mailing list archive scrambled the matrix address:

[at] ctron:dentrassi.de

Or:

https://matrix.to/#/@ctron:dentrassi.de

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:38 AM Jens Reimann  wrote:

> A bit over 6 years ago, we started a test of Mattermost at the Eclipse
> Foundation [1]. The idea was to offer a modern, open source chat service to
> Eclipse Foundation projects. Just recall, at that time IRC was the cool
> stuff.
>
> It is running up until today and I continue to lurk in some channels.
> Posting questions/answers myself from time to time. The instance has ~3000
> users, ~200 channels, and ~50 active users a day. So it looks like people
> do use it.
>
> Now the problem, from the beginning, was that Mattermost used an
> “open-core model”. Yes, Mattermost is open source, but things like OAuth2
> were not. The reason why we could never pair this with the Eclipse
> Foundation SSO service. It also gets harder to maintain the instance
> itself. Mattermost upgrades had always been super trivial. But it feels
> like the focus is more an “as a service” experience now. And, updating to
> the most recent “open source version” got trickier over time.
>
> That led to the situation that the instance isn’t up-to-date anymore.
> Sure, that is something that could be fixed. But the situation also is that
> a lot of Eclipse projects did adopt services like Slack or Gitter. Which
> provide a service that projects need and like. And while the “open core”
> part of Mattermost feels stagnating, other open source communication
> projects seem to thrive. Most notably Matrix, which supports a federated
> approach, just like IRC.
>
> The question now is, what is the point in maintaining a communication
> platform that is practically a silo? If you want a web based service, I
> think it is fine to just adopt a service the Eclipse Foundation supports,
> like Slack or Gitter.
>
> And if you are a fan of open source, decentralized services too, maybe
> check out GitLab issue #1558 [2], because the Eclipse Foundation is looking
> at Matrix too.
>
> TL;DR – We are sunsetting Mattermost at Eclipse. The goal is to shut down
> the service mid 2023. As communication is essential, we will not just pull
> the plug! But we also need to find a way to migrate workload (channels) off
> the server.
>
> If this causes trouble for you, I apologize. It also causes trouble for me
>  Feel free to reach out to me directly (e.g. on Matrix: @
> ct...@denrtassi.de) or comment on GitLab issue #2223 [3]. Of course, you
> can also reach out to the Eclipse Foundation.
>
> It was the right thing back then, things have changed, let’s adapt.
>
> Jens
>
> [1]: https://www.eclipse.org/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg13018.html
> [2]: https://gitlab.eclipse.org/eclipsefdn/helpdesk/-/issues/1558
> [3]: https://gitlab.eclipse.org/eclipsefdn/helpdesk/-/issues/2223
>
>
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[cross-project-issues-dev] Sunsetting Mattermost

[Jens Reimann]

A bit over 6 years ago, we started a test of Mattermost at the Eclipse
Foundation [1]. The idea was to offer a modern, open source chat service to
Eclipse Foundation projects. Just recall, at that time IRC was the cool
stuff.

It is running up until today and I continue to lurk in some channels.
Posting questions/answers myself from time to time. The instance has ~3000
users, ~200 channels, and ~50 active users a day. So it looks like people
do use it.

Now the problem, from the beginning, was that Mattermost used an “open-core
model”. Yes, Mattermost is open source, but things like OAuth2 were not.
The reason why we could never pair this with the Eclipse Foundation SSO
service. It also gets harder to maintain the instance itself. Mattermost
upgrades had always been super trivial. But it feels like the focus is more
an “as a service” experience now. And, updating to the most recent “open
source version” got trickier over time.

That led to the situation that the instance isn’t up-to-date anymore. Sure,
that is something that could be fixed. But the situation also is that a lot
of Eclipse projects did adopt services like Slack or Gitter. Which provide
a service that projects need and like. And while the “open core” part of
Mattermost feels stagnating, other open source communication projects seem
to thrive. Most notably Matrix, which supports a federated approach, just
like IRC.

The question now is, what is the point in maintaining a communication
platform that is practically a silo? If you want a web based service, I
think it is fine to just adopt a service the Eclipse Foundation supports,
like Slack or Gitter.

And if you are a fan of open source, decentralized services too, maybe
check out GitLab issue #1558 [2], because the Eclipse Foundation is looking
at Matrix too.

TL;DR – We are sunsetting Mattermost at Eclipse. The goal is to shut down
the service mid 2023. As communication is essential, we will not just pull
the plug! But we also need to find a way to migrate workload (channels) off
the server.

If this causes trouble for you, I apologize. It also causes trouble for me
 Feel free to reach out to me directly (e.g. on Matrix: @
ct...@denrtassi.de) or comment on GitLab issue #2223 [3]. Of course, you
can also reach out to the Eclipse Foundation.

It was the right thing back then, things have changed, let’s adapt.

Jens

[1]: https://www.eclipse.org/lists/cross-project-issues-dev/msg13018.html
[2]: https://gitlab.eclipse.org/eclipsefdn/helpdesk/-/issues/1558
[3]: https://gitlab.eclipse.org/eclipsefdn/helpdesk/-/issues/2223


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[cross-project-issues-dev] MySQL down?

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

trying to log in I receive:

---
*Warning*: PDO::__construct(): MySQL server has gone away in
*DatabaseConnection->__construct()* (line *321* of
*/localsite/api.eclipse.org/includes/database/database.inc
<http://api.eclipse.org/includes/database/database.inc>*).
---

Is that just me?

Thanks

Jens

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Oxygen.1 and JDK9

[Jens Reimann]

Ok .. this is what you need to do:

* Drag & drop
* search again
* Click on "Installed" -> changes to "Update pending"
* Click on "Update pending" -> changes to "Update"
* Click on "Update" -> continues
* Confirm
* Accept

The initial DnD operation simply opens the dialog, but doesn't do the
search. So I guess it could be replaced by "Open MPC".

I don't want to blame anyone for this, but this is more than a bit
confusing. Clicking three times on the same button is not what I would
expect.

I guess the right resolution would be to wait for Oxygen.1a and hope that
it will provide Java 9 support of the box. It is just two more weeks anyway.

Thanks for your help!


On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Carsten Reckord <reck...@yatta.de> wrote:

> > We looked at what you suggest, but found that it might be confusing for
> > users since the entry says 'Installed'.
>
> It says "Installed" instead of "Update" because it was decided to focus on
> the "Install" flow on the main list tab, and move actions for installed
> items to the "Installed" tab. The "Installed" button will take you there
> and show the available operations.
>
> I agree that that can be confusing. Would you mind opening a bug about
> that?
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Oxygen.1 and JDK9

[Jens Reimann]

Ok then I am lost .. which steps did you mean?

Pre-requisite:

You need Oxygen (4.7 or above)  Eclipse SDK or maintenance(M) builds
(available from http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/)  <- got that
The Java™ 9 support also works when the IDE is launched with a Java™ 8
VM. There is no need to switch Java™ 9 VM for that.  <-- ok tried both
For any Eclipse install <= Oxygen 1 you have to add
--add-modules=ALL-SYSTEM. For more details and potential issues see
https://wiki.eclipse.org/Configure_Eclipse_for_Java_9.  <-- did that as well
You need Java™ 9 JDK ( Available from the JDK9 pointer at the parent
site: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html)
<-- check

To try out Java 9 support in Eclipse, you can follow any of these:

Update your Eclipse 4.7 build using this update site:
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/4.7-U-builds. In Eclipse, go to
Help > Install New Software... and uncheck "Group items by category".
Select "Eclipse SDK" from the list of items and proceed with the
installation.   
>
>
> I tried that as well, however this only brings up the marketplace client
> and shows you a generic list of things to install.
>
> If you locate the Java 9 feature, then it says "Installed". But there is
> no way to actually install this.
>
> I really think there should be some note on *download.eclipse.org*
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__download.eclipse.org=DwMFaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=1UITCR5rxUZHSFczvfaNFK4ymEbEiccRX7VKchpqz0Y=BtDqGiJSjWAZtbVmMdKPeEo7Vchrqn7VOABNgM9vY1E=cVqI9r_PIPiN_xSfhasDbk_mqFTXemYulu9QOtt4DDk=>which
> explains that people have to wait for Oxygen.1a, otherwise this may just
> cause frustration.
>
> Jens
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Daniel Megert <
> *daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com* <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>> wrote:
> > You have to install the Java9 support from the Eclipse Marketplace into
> it.
>
> See *https://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/java-9-support-oxygen/*
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__marketplace.eclipse.org_content_java-2D9-2Dsupport-2Doxygen_=DwMFaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=1UITCR5rxUZHSFczvfaNFK4ymEbEiccRX7VKchpqz0Y=BtDqGiJSjWAZtbVmMdKPeEo7Vchrqn7VOABNgM9vY1E=_Cgd-LPJeMSpCVMpVgZDKZHlDxXm8O69Jyvo16SMPEY=>
>
> Dani
>
>
>
>
> From:Martin Lippert <*mlipp...@gmail.com* <mlipp...@gmail.com>>
> To:Cross project issues <*cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org*
> <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>>
> Date:28.09.2017 10:17
> Subject:Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Oxygen.1 and JDK9
> Sent by:*cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org*
> <cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>
> --
>
>
>
>
> Hey Jens,
>
> Oxygen.1 does NOT support Java 9 development out-of-the-box.
> You have to install the Java9 support from the Eclipse Marketplace into it.
>
> This will change with Oxygen.1a (shipping Oct 11), which will include
> Java9 support ouf-of-the-box.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Cheers,
> -Martin
>
>
>
> > I got some troubles on getting Oxygen.1 ready for Java 9 ... I don't
> want to run Oxygen.1 on Java 9, but use it on Java 8, to develop a Java 9
> application. Or at least, run a Java 8 application from inside the IDE on
> Java 9.
> >
> > Here is what I did:
> >
> > * Update my Oxygen to Oxgyen.1 (or install a new Oxygen.1)
> > * Download and unzip JDK9 (oracle & openjdk)
> > * Point the JVM preferences page to my unzipped JDK9
> >
> > The error message is:
> >
> >  -> Target is not a JDK root. System library was not found.
> >
> > Now I maybe doing something wrong here, but neither Google nor any
> Eclipse Java 9 page I found did explain this.
> >
> > I also tried running Oxygen.1 on Java 9, same effect.
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> >
> > Jens
> >
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Oxygen.1 and JDK9

[Jens Reimann]

I tried that as well, however this only brings up the marketplace client
and shows you a generic list of things to install.

If you locate the Java 9 feature, then it says "Installed". But there is no
way to actually install this.

I really think there should be some note on download.eclipse.org which
explains that people have to wait for Oxygen.1a, otherwise this may just
cause frustration.

Jens

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Daniel Megert <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>
wrote:

> > You have to install the Java9 support from the Eclipse Marketplace into
> it.
>
> See https://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/java-9-support-oxygen/
>
> Dani
>
>
>
>
> From:Martin Lippert <mlipp...@gmail.com>
> To:Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
> Date:28.09.2017 10:17
> Subject:Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Oxygen.1 and JDK9
> Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org
> --
>
>
>
> Hey Jens,
>
> Oxygen.1 does NOT support Java 9 development out-of-the-box.
> You have to install the Java9 support from the Eclipse Marketplace into it.
>
> This will change with Oxygen.1a (shipping Oct 11), which will include
> Java9 support ouf-of-the-box.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Cheers,
> -Martin
>
>
>
> > I got some troubles on getting Oxygen.1 ready for Java 9 ... I don't
> want to run Oxygen.1 on Java 9, but use it on Java 8, to develop a Java 9
> application. Or at least, run a Java 8 application from inside the IDE on
> Java 9.
> >
> > Here is what I did:
> >
> > * Update my Oxygen to Oxgyen.1 (or install a new Oxygen.1)
> > * Download and unzip JDK9 (oracle & openjdk)
> > * Point the JVM preferences page to my unzipped JDK9
> >
> > The error message is:
> >
> >  -> Target is not a JDK root. System library was not found.
> >
> > Now I maybe doing something wrong here, but neither Google nor any
> Eclipse Java 9 page I found did explain this.
> >
> > I also tried running Oxygen.1 on Java 9, same effect.
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> >
> > Jens
> >
> > --
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> > Senior Software Engineer / EMEA ENG Middleware
> > Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 14
> > 85630 Grasbrunn
> > Germany
> > phone: +49 89 2050 71286 <+49%2089%20205071286>
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[cross-project-issues-dev] Oxygen.1 and JDK9

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

I got some troubles on getting Oxygen.1 ready for Java 9 ... I don't want
to run Oxygen.1 on Java 9, but use it on Java 8, to develop a Java 9
application. Or at least, run a Java 8 application from inside the IDE on
Java 9.

Here is what I did:

* Update my Oxygen to Oxgyen.1 (or install a new Oxygen.1)
* Download and unzip JDK9 (oracle & openjdk)
* Point the JVM preferences page to my unzipped JDK9

The error message is:

 -> Target is not a JDK root. System library was not found.

Now I maybe doing something wrong here, but neither Google nor any Eclipse
Java 9 page I found did explain this.

I also tried running Oxygen.1 on Java 9, same effect.

Thanks for your help

Jens

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[cross-project-issues-dev] Unable to log in to 'project.eclipse.org'

[Jens Reimann]

I can't log in to https://projects.eclipse.org/ anymore. Clicking on the
"login" link allows me to log in and redirects me properly to
https://projects.eclipse.org/ where I still get the "login" link and are
not allowed do anything.

My logged in status is however correctly shown at http://eclipse.org

Is that just me?

Jens

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[cross-project-issues-dev] PMI down?

[Jens Reimann]

Is just just me or is the PMI down?

   https://projects.eclipse.org/list-of-projects-solstice

The page just loads forever.

Jens

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Works-with CQs with the new PMI

[Jens Reimann]

Thanks Roland,

I know the process from before the PMI update ...

So with the new PMI I have to lie and state that I do want to distribute
sources/binaries ... although I don't?!

That seemed wrong to me. But if that is the current process, then alright.
I just thought I overlooked something.

Cheers

Jens



On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Roland Grunberg <rgrun...@redhat.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 17:43 +0100, Jens Reimann wrote:
> > Now this sounds like a noob question ...
> >
> > ... but how do I create works-with CQs with the new PMI workflow?
> >
> > It seems only possible to create a normal 3rd party dependency CQ. I
> > don't see any more the option for a works-with/per-requisite
> > dependency.
>
> I went through this process a while back with 'vagrant', and 'docker-
> machine'. As far as I understand, you file them as regular CQs but
> state explicitly that this is a works-with/pre-requisite CQ. Then start
> a discussion on tools-pmc where some basic questions about the request
> may be asked (eg. how does the plugin handle absence of library, is the
> library likely to be found on a user's system, etc.)
>
> https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10263
> https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10209
>
>
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[cross-project-issues-dev] Works-with CQs with the new PMI

[Jens Reimann]

Now this sounds like a noob question ...

... but how do I create works-with CQs with the new PMI workflow?

It seems only possible to create a normal 3rd party dependency CQ. I don't
see any more the option for a works-with/per-requisite dependency.

Jens

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[cross-project-issues-dev] Unable to create CQ

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

I just wanted to create my first CQ for 2017 ..

It is great to see a new UI for that. Very handy.

However the resulting web page just shows a broken HTML layout and the
message:

   " The website encountered an unexpected error. Please try again later."

Cheers

Jens

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] mattermost down, expired security certificate?

[Jens Reimann]

Sorry for the late reply. This issue is already fixed and twitter know
about that fix ;-)

Of course such things always happen during vacation times.

The root cause for this issue was fixed and it should not happen again.

Sorry for the troubles it may have caused!

Cheers

Jens

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Daniel Megert <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>
wrote:

> Same here. Added the webmaster to this thread.
>
> Dani
>
>
>
> From:Jonah Graham <jo...@kichwacoders.com>
> To:Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
> Date:07.01.2017 11:43
> Subject:[cross-project-issues-dev] mattermost down,
>  expired security certificate?
> Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org
> --
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>
>
> Mattermost appears down for me due to a certificate expiry of today.
>
> I have filed a bug already https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/
> show_bug.cgi?id=510061
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[cross-project-issues-dev] Portal painfully slow?!

[Jens Reimann]

Is it just me or the is the portal section [1] for entering new CQs
currently painfully slow and timing out?

[1] https://dev.eclipse.org/portal/myfoundation/portal/portal.php

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can Orbit also host "p2-ified" OSGi bundles from Maven?

[Jens Reimann]

Wouldn't it be great if the  ".target" platform file would allow adding
Maven repositories and GAV entries below them?!

That way it would be possible to simple reference specific artifacts from
Maven central. True, only explicitly named artifacts would be found, there
would be no P2 resolver magic. But I think it would help a lot!

It probably only conflicts with the "need it soon" requirement ;-)

Cheers

Jens



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> Hi all,
> Some OSGi bundles are existing on Maven, great. Tycho is able to consume
> them directly with the "pomDependencies=consider" option, great too.
> However, this pomDependencies=consider doesn't have an equivalent in PDE
> target-platform like p2 has. So it makes that using directly OSGi bundles
> from Maven make it tricky to provide a portable target platform definition
> (.target file).
> Do you think it would make sense for Orbit to also host those external
> bundles, without rebuilding them, and pusblish them as p2 artifacts? I'll
> probably need it soon for GSon 2.5.0.
>
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Bugzilla + Gerrit + ? down

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Same for me.

On 06/16/2016 02:00 PM, Markus Knauer wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I wanted to file a bug that Gerrit is not reachable any more, but then
> I found out that I cannot access Bugzilla, too.
>
> Is anyone seeing the same, i.e. errors when accessing Gerrit and
> Hudson web interfaces?
>
> Regards,
> Markus
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[cross-project-issues-dev] Mattermost transfer should be complete

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

so, Cedric did migrate all the integrations over the new instance. The
IRC bridges are up again. And there is a redirect now from the old
instance to the new one. HTTPS certificates have been updated and set up
property. SMTP should be fine for sending out e-mails.

So if you notice something strange now .. please let us know!

Thanks

Jens

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] New UUID in Eclipse Platform

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I didn't want to imply that either, the American or European way is better.
But let's have that beer and discussion anyway ;-)
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] New UUID in Eclipse Platform

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,
I would like to throw in another argument for postponing the change for a next Eclipse version, giving it a better introduction.
Because I can already image the shitstorm against Eclipse when on "heise.de" or "slashdot" people begin to post that "all Eclipse users will be tracked by the NSA".
So from a North American perspective, this may be "not that bad", but from a European perspective this sounds like a nightmare. And it will probably scare away more people in the process than you will ever gain from it.
Jens 
On Jun 5, 2016 11:43, Ed Willink  wrote:
  

  
  
Hi Ian
Reading through the comments on [1], I am surprised. I see
  enthusiasm only from you, the originator. I see neutral comments
  from Wayne and scepticism from committers. I see no sign that this
  was an EF request or has any PMC / AC endorsement. Where is the
  text of the EF request? Who is the EF in this case? Where is the
  link to the Architecture Council / Planning Council minutes? Where
  is the change-barred version of the privacy policy?

The original use case for more accurate counting of installations
  seems to get confused with p2 / MPC / AERI. AERI already has
  anonymous ids with opt-in. I see only a very faint benefit in the
  UUID. What is interesting is the installation not the user; if a
  bug comes from a user's Mars CDT installation, I don't care
  whether he/she also has a Luna or BIRT-based installation. The
  referenced MPC use case[3] is an instruction from you; no
  motivating requirement.
You conceed that more accurate counting of installations is hard
  since you cannot avoid multi-counting machines. You ignore the
  major under-counting of shared zipped download installations
  behind corporate firewalls.
The specific goal of counting users and per-user installations
  could be achieved without a UUID at all. It is sufficient to send
  a registration message to the EF at startup (with a retry on up to
  ten subsequent starts) containing:-
- time
  - stable accessible machine fields (name, MAC, ...)
  - build-id, list of third/fourth org.eclipse package names (e.g.
  ui,core.resources,emf.core,...)
  - additional random content
This registration message should be encrypted by a public /
  private key so that only the EF server application is able to
  decode it. The server application code could be publicly visible
  to demonstrate that it is unable to do more than aggregate the
  registrations. (The random content prevents anyone else using the
  message or cloning the message generation support code.)
The only persistent information needed is a count of the number
  of registration retries and success / opt-in preference. The
  opt-in should be on the initial "where is your workspace" start up
  dialog with a re-opt-in on the "you need to restart" dialog.
Of course this is all a waste of time because everyone knows that
  "product registration" just triggers junk communication, so who
  registers voluntarily? Therefore if you must go for mandatory
  registration, you must minimize the corrolaries of registration,
  which the above registration does. It is unconnected with other
  activities; it is encrypted; it has no re-useable persistent
  footprint.

What is the process for requesting a respin to have the UUID
  facility removed pending a more acceptable realization?

    Regards
        Ed Willink



On 03/06/2016 16:13, Ian Skerrett
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
All,
 
I wanted to make everyone aware that a UUID
  has been added to the Eclipse Platform [1] and is available in
  the current Neon RC.  This was done at the request of the
  Eclipse Foundation. 
 
The UUID is automatically generated and
  stored in the ${user.home}/.eclipse/eclipse.uuid file. The
  UUID does not contain any personally identifiable information.
  If a user do not want to have this property set they are
  instructed to set eclipse.uuid=0. Information about the UUID
  has been included in the Eclipse Platform N [2].
 
The UUID will be automatically added to the
  user-agent of http requests to *.eclipse.org servers. For
  Neon, the projects that make these types of requests include
  p2 [1], MPC [3] and AERI [4]. I would expect other projects
  will add a uuid in the future. 
 
The immediate questions for many people are
  1) why are we doing this, and 2) what about the privacy
  concerns.  Let me attempt to answer both of these questions.
 
Why are we doing this?
 

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Eclipse Shields Server

[Jens Reimann]

Hello Gunnar,

thanks for your feedback! Well you can strip it down to "running" a
simple WAR file. So a full (virtual) server might not be necessary.

You are right and I did consider that. And from what I learned in the
past (they did make a small fix for me, restoring compatibility with
Hudson), they would probably accept such a pull request.

However I do think that such a service, which is for Eclipse projects,
should be hosted by Eclipse. This is the same for Bugzilla, Wiki and
even for Git, where content is replicated. When "shields.io" disappears
tomorrow, so would the shields.

A more technical reason is that the PMI JSON interface is pretty slow.
It takes a few seconds until this information is provided. I am less
worried of images coming in late, but more that such a shield service
would increase the load on this interface too much. Hosting a separate
service allows to aggressively cache such information. I know shields.io
does some sort of caching, but I do think we could do a better job for
Eclipse projects.

Jens

On 05/18/2016 06:21 PM, Gunnar Wagenknecht wrote:
> Jens,
>
> That's great project. It sounds like a lot effort though (custom
> server, separate hosting, etc.). Have you thought about submitting a
> pull request to have it supported out of the box by shields.io
> <http://shields.io>?
>
> It seems that some services (such as Jenkins, Codeship.io
> <http://codeship.io>, etc.) are done here:
> https://github.com/badges/shields/blob/master/server.js
>
> -Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>> On 18 May 2016, at 16:51, Jens Reimann <jens.reim...@ibh-systems.com
>> <mailto:jens.reim...@ibh-systems.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> finally I had some time to make a "proof-of-concept" for an Eclipse
>> Shields server. The idea is to have "shields.io <http://shields.io>"
>> [1] like little images,
>> which can easily be embedded into web pages, showing some information
>> about Eclipse Foundation projects.
>>
>> I did start with a basic shield which does show the project name and
>> current released version. See it embedded in the README [2]
>>
>> The solution is a plain Java EE project, re-using the project
>> information which is already in the Eclipse PMI and which is accessible
>> using JSON anyway. So there is no need to put in data twice.
>>
>> Currently you can create shields using the following URL:
>>
>> https://shields-ctron.rhcloud.com/project/   - e.g: project
>> id = technology.package-drone
>>
>> There are a few things missing, like caching, in order to reduce the
>> load. But I do have a:
>> - A running instance on OpenShift : https://shields-ctron.rhcloud.com
>> (not very useful with additional parameters)
>> - A project on GitHub [3]
>> - An implementation for a Project/Latest version shield
>>
>> Of course the missing stuff can be added quickly. More shield types and
>> designs are not that hard as well.
>>
>> But before I continue, I wanted to get some feedback if there is
>> interest in such a service, if the project itself, including the source
>> code and the service could/should be moved to the Eclipse Foundation.
>> What additional shields would be of interest.
>>
>> Let me know what you think
>>
>> Jens
>>
>> [1] http://shields.io/
>> [2] https://github.com/ctron/shields/blob/master/README.md
>> [3] https://github.com/ctron/shields
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[cross-project-issues-dev] Eclipse Shields Server

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

finally I had some time to make a "proof-of-concept" for an Eclipse
Shields server. The idea is to have "shields.io" [1] like little images,
which can easily be embedded into web pages, showing some information
about Eclipse Foundation projects.

I did start with a basic shield which does show the project name and
current released version. See it embedded in the README [2]

The solution is a plain Java EE project, re-using the project
information which is already in the Eclipse PMI and which is accessible
using JSON anyway. So there is no need to put in data twice.

Currently you can create shields using the following URL:

https://shields-ctron.rhcloud.com/project/   - e.g: project
id = technology.package-drone

There are a few things missing, like caching, in order to reduce the
load. But I do have a:
 - A running instance on OpenShift : https://shields-ctron.rhcloud.com
(not very useful with additional parameters)
 - A project on GitHub [3]
 - An implementation for a Project/Latest version shield

Of course the missing stuff can be added quickly. More shield types and
designs are not that hard as well.

But before I continue, I wanted to get some feedback if there is
interest in such a service, if the project itself, including the source
code and the service could/should be moved to the Eclipse Foundation.
What additional shields would be of interest.

Let me know what you think

Jens

[1] http://shields.io/
[2] https://github.com/ctron/shields/blob/master/README.md
[3] https://github.com/ctron/shields

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[cross-project-issues-dev] Plain text mirror list

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

for hosting a YUM repository, I would like to create a mirrorlist in
plain text format [1].

Now I do know that Eclipse does have a mirrorlist of its own, but it
seems to only provide XML [2] or html.

So is there a way to generate a plaintext version of this list already?
If not, could it be implemented? Could I help?

Thanks

Jens

[1] https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-10=x86_64
[2]
https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/package-drone=xml

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[cross-project-issues-dev] Mattermost @ Eclipse - A follow up

[Jens Reimann]

A few weeks ago we started a test [1] with Mattermost [2] for Eclipse
projects.

Mattermost is an open source variant of Slack or HipChat. And a web
variant of IRC. It does have a web API and allows writing bots which
interact in chat sessions. Once of the best features is, that using the
Web API and bots, in can be integrated with a bunch of other services.
Like the IRC bridge.

The idea was to have a tool for Eclipse projects to enable better
communication. Not another toy! Eclipse currently already has the Forum,
Mailinglists, IRC channels and more ... so why another tool? Mattermost
can help to bring all this together. So we were able to bridge the IRC
channels of CDT and Tracecompass to their respective mattermost
channels, which also helps people to access IRC at the same time.

Cédric Brun as written "jstuart" [3] which allows to integrate events
from the Eclipse Forum, RSS feed, Stackoverflow, Hudson, Gerrit and some
more Eclipse services to Mattermost. This allows a project to have a
channel where you do get a notification once a new bug, Stackoverflow
question or forum post got created for your Eclipse project.

For the moment this is a test to see if it brings any benefit. So I
would like to encourage you to try it out. Not for only 5 minutes, but
for a bit longer ;-)

And if you find out you like it, then head over to bug #487238 [4] and
say that you do like it, or if you find any blocker that would prevent
the usage use the same bug to say so. If nobody is interested, that's
fine as well :)

Jens

[1] https://mattermost-test.eclipse.org
[2] http://www.mattermost.org/
[3] https://github.com/cbrun/jstuart
[4] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=487238



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[cross-project-issues-dev] windows7tests slave down

[Jens Reimann]

The shared Hudson node windows7tests [1] seems to be down.

Jens

[1] https://hudson.eclipse.org/shared/computer/windows7tests/
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[cross-project-issues-dev] HIPP: fetching from github fails with "Failed connect to github.com:80; Operation now in progress"

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

Since today build jobs from a HIPP instance for a GitHub hosted project
fail with:

Failed connect to github.com:80; Operation now in progress

Is this a known issue?

Jens

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] HIPP: fetching from github fails with "Failed connect to github.com:80; Operation now in progress"

[Jens Reimann]

Switching to "https" seems to fix this.

On 01/21/2016 11:38 AM, Jens Reimann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Since today build jobs from a HIPP instance for a GitHub hosted project
> fail with:
>
> Failed connect to github.com:80; Operation now in progress
>
> Is this a known issue?
>
> Jens
>


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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Symbolic links on download area

[Jens Reimann]

Hello Ed,

thanks for this input, however I am not talking about P2 repositories here.

For APT and YUM repositories I would like to provide a "stable" channel,
which always points to the most recent release and a "release-x" channel
which only has maintenance updates of this specific release.

In order not to waste space on the download area, I thought that using a
"symbolic link" seemed like a good idea.

Jens

On 01/19/2016 11:08 AM, Ed Merks wrote:
> Jens,
>
> Yes, I don't think you can serve a file that's a link.
>
> If you're trying to implement a repository that's a moving target, a
> better approach is to specify it as a composite that composes a single
> child, and update that composite to point at the new child each time
> (rather than updating the symbolic link to point at a new repository
> each time).
>
>
>
> On 19/01/2016 11:01 AM, Jens Reimann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just seem to have troubles using symbolic links on the download area.
>>
>> I would like to make a simple link "current" -> "v1.2.3".
>>
>> I can access it with "sftp" logging in to "build.eclipse.org".
>>
>> But when I access any file with that link from "download.eclipse.org" I
>> get the following message:
>>
>> 
>> Access Forbidden
>> The file permissions are either wrong, or there is no default index file
>> for this directory.
>>
>> Please consider filing a bug against the project to let them know.
>> 
>>
>> Any ideas what is wrong?
>>
>> Jens
>>
>>
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[cross-project-issues-dev] Symbolic links on download area

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

I just seem to have troubles using symbolic links on the download area.

I would like to make a simple link "current" -> "v1.2.3".

I can access it with "sftp" logging in to "build.eclipse.org".

But when I access any file with that link from "download.eclipse.org" I
get the following message:


Access Forbidden
The file permissions are either wrong, or there is no default index file
for this directory.

Please consider filing a bug against the project to let them know.


Any ideas what is wrong?

Jens

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[cross-project-issues-dev] Shared hudson down?

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

I do have problems connecting to the shared hudson instance:

https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson

"This HIPP instance is currently unavailable…"

Is there something wrong?

Thanks

Jens

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Shared hudson down?

[Jens Reimann]

Ok,

then there is a dead link at: https://hudson.eclipse.org/ which points
to https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson

Thanks & sorry

Jens

On 01/11/2016 03:24 PM, Denis Roy wrote:
> I believe that is the old instance.
>
> The shared instance is now hipp-ified:
> https://hudson.eclipse.org/shared/
>
> Denis
>
>
> On 11/01/16 08:54 AM, Jens Reimann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do have problems connecting to the shared hudson instance:
>>
>> https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson
>>
>> "This HIPP instance is currently unavailable…"
>>
>> Is there something wrong?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jens
>>
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[cross-project-issues-dev] java.net.UnknownHostException: eclipse.org on HIPP instance

[Jens Reimann]

I just ran, repeatedly, into an "java.net.UnknownHostException:
eclipse.org" on our HIPP instance [1].

It worked a few hours ago.

Is there any known issue or change?

[1] https://hudson.eclipse.org/package-drone

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[cross-project-issues-dev] Discussing the idea of setting up a "Mattermost" server for projects

[Jens Reimann]

Hi,

I just wanted to check if there would be interest in running a
"Mattermost" [1] server at Eclipse.

If you don't know "Mattermost" is it "Slack", "HipChat" alternative, but
open source.

If you don't know Slack or HipChat, you could see it as a web based IRC
alternative, which allows integrating other web based solutions using an
web API. On other words, you can type text and other can read it. A chat.

I do know there are Forums and IRC server and NNTP groups and mailing
lists. And I don't want to start a discussion about pro's and con's
about these different solutions.

But I would like to check if there is interest in something like
"Mattermost", so I would like to volunteer and try to see if something
like this could be established.

Jens

[1] http://www.mattermost.com/

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Discussing the idea of setting up a "Mattermost" server for projects

[Jens Reimann]

Issue created -> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=483947

On 12/08/2015 06:20 PM, Cédric Brun wrote:

I am interested :)

We've been using and experimenting with it for quite a few weeks at 
Obeo and the feedback is very positive so far.
We have been able to integrate gerrit, bugzilla, the eclipse forums, 
jira and jenkins/hudson with it using a couple of python scripts.


Jens would you track a bugzilla to move the discussion there ?

Cheers,

Cédric

Le 08/12/2015 17:46, Jens Reimann a écrit :

Hi,

I just wanted to check if there would be interest in running a
"Mattermost" [1] server at Eclipse.

If you don't know "Mattermost" is it "Slack", "HipChat" alternative, but
open source.

If you don't know Slack or HipChat, you could see it as a web based IRC
alternative, which allows integrating other web based solutions using an
web API. On other words, you can type text and other can read it. A 
chat.


I do know there are Forums and IRC server and NNTP groups and mailing
lists. And I don't want to start a discussion about pro's and con's
about these different solutions.

But I would like to check if there is interest in something like
"Mattermost", so I would like to volunteer and try to see if something
like this could be established.

Jens

[1] http://www.mattermost.com/



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