Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-20 Thread Nick Boldt 
Releng, yes. (Throws my *red* hat into the ring.) :D

Fixing things broken due to API changes... maybe, but unlikely. I'm not a
DTP dev/expert/user, but I do know my way around Tycho. :)

Nick

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Wayne Beaton <
wayne.bea...@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:

> No. We'll start that process in January in preparation for the M5 build.
>
> Besides, removing it breaks Web Tools (at least).
>
> I'm pretty sure that we have a volunteer to take over releng.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Dec 18, 2017 9:48 AM, "Doug Schaefer" <dschae...@blackberry.com> wrote:
>
>> We should probably start planning on the removal of DTP now. It’s not
>> clear it has the resources to even do builds going forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:
>> cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Daniel
>> Megert
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2017 4:48 AM
>> *To:* Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2
>> respin?
>>
>>
>>
>> It's good enough to just do a build. The API was deprecated for ten years
>> already. After removing it for Oxygen (4.7) a simple build would have
>> failed with a compile error.
>>
>> Dani
>>
>>
>>
>> From:    "Torkild U. Resheim" <torki...@gmail.com>
>> To:Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
>> Date:16.12.2017 21:11
>> Subject:Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in
>> Oxygen.2 respin?
>> Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I think that’s a good idea Stephan. One could possibly set up the
>> build to fail when using deprecated API, in order to get an early warning.
>> I’m not aware of a way of making Tycho do so though. I guess having a
>> no-warnings policy and set the compiler up to fail on warnings is an option.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Torkild
>>
>> > 16. des. 2017 kl. 17:54 skrev Stephan Herrmann <
>> stephan.herrm...@berlin.de>:
>> >
>> > Another option could be: even "inactive" projects could be required,
>> > to perform builds against each SimRel milestone, even when contributing
>> > a previous version. This should ensure that code still works (compiles
>> > and passes tests) against updated dependencies.
>> >
>> > I don't think this should be much of a burden on "maintainers".
>> >
>> > Stephan
>>
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-18 Thread Doug Schaefer 
I did say “planning”. ;).

As projects run out of committers, we need to make sure everyone is aware of 
the situation and so they can consider how it affects them.

Doug.

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[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 2:32 PM
To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

No. We'll start that process in January in preparation for the M5 build.

Besides, removing it breaks Web Tools (at least).

I'm pretty sure that we have a volunteer to take over releng.

Wayne

On Dec 18, 2017 9:48 AM, "Doug Schaefer" 
<dschae...@blackberry.com<mailto:dschae...@blackberry.com>> wrote:
We should probably start planning on the removal of DTP now. It’s not clear it 
has the resources to even do builds going forward.

Doug.

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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

It's good enough to just do a build. The API was deprecated for ten years 
already. After removing it for Oxygen (4.7) a simple build would have failed 
with a compile error.

Dani



From:"Torkild U. Resheim" 
<torki...@gmail.com<mailto:torki...@gmail.com>>
To:Cross project issues 
<cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>>
Date:    16.12.2017 21:11
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Yes, I think that’s a good idea Stephan. One could possibly set up the build to 
fail when using deprecated API, in order to get an early warning. I’m not aware 
of a way of making Tycho do so though. I guess having a no-warnings policy and 
set the compiler up to fail on warnings is an option.

Best regards,
Torkild

> 16. des. 2017 kl. 17:54 skrev Stephan Herrmann 
> <stephan.herrm...@berlin.de<mailto:stephan.herrm...@berlin.de>>:
>
> Another option could be: even "inactive" projects could be required,
> to perform builds against each SimRel milestone, even when contributing
> a previous version. This should ensure that code still works (compiles
> and passes tests) against updated dependencies.
>
> I don't think this should be much of a burden on "maintainers".
>
> Stephan

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-18 Thread Wayne Beaton 
No. We'll start that process in January in preparation for the M5 build.

Besides, removing it breaks Web Tools (at least).

I'm pretty sure that we have a volunteer to take over releng.

Wayne

On Dec 18, 2017 9:48 AM, "Doug Schaefer" <dschae...@blackberry.com> wrote:

> We should probably start planning on the removal of DTP now. It’s not
> clear it has the resources to even do builds going forward.
>
>
>
> Doug.
>
>
>
> *From:* cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:
> cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Megert
> *Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2017 4:48 AM
> *To:* Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2
> respin?
>
>
>
> It's good enough to just do a build. The API was deprecated for ten years
> already. After removing it for Oxygen (4.7) a simple build would have
> failed with a compile error.
>
> Dani
>
>
>
> From:"Torkild U. Resheim" <torki...@gmail.com>
> To:    Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
> Date:16.12.2017 21:11
> Subject:Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in
> Oxygen.2 respin?
> Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org
> --
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I think that’s a good idea Stephan. One could possibly set up the
> build to fail when using deprecated API, in order to get an early warning.
> I’m not aware of a way of making Tycho do so though. I guess having a
> no-warnings policy and set the compiler up to fail on warnings is an option.
>
> Best regards,
> Torkild
>
> > 16. des. 2017 kl. 17:54 skrev Stephan Herrmann <
> stephan.herrm...@berlin.de>:
> >
> > Another option could be: even "inactive" projects could be required,
> > to perform builds against each SimRel milestone, even when contributing
> > a previous version. This should ensure that code still works (compiles
> > and passes tests) against updated dependencies.
> >
> > I don't think this should be much of a burden on "maintainers".
> >
> > Stephan
>
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-18 Thread Doug Schaefer 
We should probably start planning on the removal of DTP now. It's not clear it 
has the resources to even do builds going forward.

Doug.

From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org 
[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Megert
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:48 AM
To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

It's good enough to just do a build. The API was deprecated for ten years 
already. After removing it for Oxygen (4.7) a simple build would have failed 
with a compile error.

Dani



From:"Torkild U. Resheim" 
<torki...@gmail.com<mailto:torki...@gmail.com>>
To:Cross project issues 
<cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>>
Date:    16.12.2017 21:11
Subject:        Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 
respin?
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Yes, I think that's a good idea Stephan. One could possibly set up the build to 
fail when using deprecated API, in order to get an early warning. I'm not aware 
of a way of making Tycho do so though. I guess having a no-warnings policy and 
set the compiler up to fail on warnings is an option.

Best regards,
Torkild

> 16. des. 2017 kl. 17:54 skrev Stephan Herrmann 
> <stephan.herrm...@berlin.de<mailto:stephan.herrm...@berlin.de>>:
>
> Another option could be: even "inactive" projects could be required,
> to perform builds against each SimRel milestone, even when contributing
> a previous version. This should ensure that code still works (compiles
> and passes tests) against updated dependencies.
>
> I don't think this should be much of a burden on "maintainers".
>
> Stephan

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-16 Thread Torkild U. Resheim 
Yes, I think that’s a good idea Stephan. One could possibly set up the build to 
fail when using deprecated API, in order to get an early warning. I’m not aware 
of a way of making Tycho do so though. I guess having a no-warnings policy and 
set the compiler up to fail on warnings is an option.

Best regards,
Torkild

> 16. des. 2017 kl. 17:54 skrev Stephan Herrmann :
> 
> Another option could be: even "inactive" projects could be required,
> to perform builds against each SimRel milestone, even when contributing
> a previous version. This should ensure that code still works (compiles
> and passes tests) against updated dependencies.
> 
> I don't think this should be much of a burden on "maintainers".
> 
> Stephan



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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-16 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik 
Both "you must integrate often" and "you must use OSGi version convention" are 
already Simrel rules. Simrel process is filled with rules that half the 
projects ignore. Enforcement is difficult since the only available stick is to 
drop the project and everything that depends on it from Simrel, yet no one 
wants to see Simrel reduced to a fraction of projects that it currently 
contains and be in a state where we can't even produce some of the most popular 
packages.


The current simrel process was designed at a time when there were significantly 
fewer projects, these projects were well staffed and everyone following the 
platform's release schedule. That's not today. The modern simrel should have 
fewer rules (let's accept the reality) and be able to accommodate projects that 
have radically different release cadence. Both very active projects that 
release every month and projects that release once every few years should be 
able to participate at their own pace.


Thanks,


- Konstantin



From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org 
<cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> on behalf of Stephan Herrmann 
<stephan.herrm...@berlin.de>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:54 PM
To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

Another option could be: even "inactive" projects could be required,
to perform builds against each SimRel milestone, even when contributing
a previous version. This should ensure that code still works (compiles
and passes tests) against updated dependencies.

I don't think this should be much of a burden on "maintainers".

Stephan

On 16.12.2017 17:43, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:
> Dani,
>
>
> DTD did participate in Oxygen, but DTP is in maintenance mode with no one 
> actively working on it. The only time a new build or
> release is made is when a critical need arises. Such event happened in Oxygen 
> M4 with Lucene changes, so DTP produced a 1.14 build
> at that point and went dormant again. In particular, it was not rebuilt with 
> the following milestones.
>
>
> In my opinion, the deprecate and announce policy of API removal isn't 
> effective for projects like DTP. There is a huge code base.
> Only a small part is going to be examined and only when something breaks. 
> There is no one to notice the deprecation warnings.
> Similarly, when the announcement comes, it relies on someone either (a) 
> recognizing that their project depends on that API, or (b)
> proactively searching through the code base for references. Neither of these 
> is very likely to happen for a maintenance mode
> project. What would have helped is strict adherence to OSGi versioning 
> convention (major version bump) as that would have broken DTP
> aggregation and triggered a need for a rebuild, so problematic references 
> would have been caught and fixed.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> - Konstantin
>
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org 
> <cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> on behalf of Daniel Megert
> <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:25 AM
> *To:* Cross project issues
> *Subject:* Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 
> respin?
> Hi Konstantin
>
> Did DTP not participate in Oxygen in June? There the class was already 
> deleted, so, DTP should have run into this in June already.
>
> Note that we announced the deletion on this mailing list.
>
> Dani
>
>
>
> From: Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
> To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
> Date: 15.12.2017 17:46
> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?
> Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org
> 
>
>
> Dani,
>
> It wasn’t an internal. It was a deprecated class that was removed. Since DTP 
> isn’t actively being developed, no one saw the
> deprecation warnings. A major version bump would have allowed the removal to 
> be caught earlier…
>
> org.eclipse.jface.util.ListenerList (removed)
>
> org.eclipse.core.runtime.ListenerList (replacement)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Konstantin
>
> *From: *_Daniel Megert_ <mailto:daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>*
> Sent: *Friday, December 15, 2017 3:17 AM*
> To: *_Cross project issues_ <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>*
>

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-16 Thread Stephan Herrmann 

Another option could be: even "inactive" projects could be required,
to perform builds against each SimRel milestone, even when contributing
a previous version. This should ensure that code still works (compiles
and passes tests) against updated dependencies.

I don't think this should be much of a burden on "maintainers".

Stephan

On 16.12.2017 17:43, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:

Dani,


DTD did participate in Oxygen, but DTP is in maintenance mode with no one actively working on it. The only time a new build or 
release is made is when a critical need arises. Such event happened in Oxygen M4 with Lucene changes, so DTP produced a 1.14 build 
at that point and went dormant again. In particular, it was not rebuilt with the following milestones.



In my opinion, the deprecate and announce policy of API removal isn't effective for projects like DTP. There is a huge code base. 
Only a small part is going to be examined and only when something breaks. There is no one to notice the deprecation warnings. 
Similarly, when the announcement comes, it relies on someone either (a) recognizing that their project depends on that API, or (b) 
proactively searching through the code base for references. Neither of these is very likely to happen for a maintenance mode 
project. What would have helped is strict adherence to OSGi versioning convention (major version bump) as that would have broken DTP 
aggregation and triggered a need for a rebuild, so problematic references would have been caught and fixed.



Thanks,


- Konstantin





*From:* cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org <cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> on behalf of Daniel Megert 
<daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>

*Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:25 AM
*To:* Cross project issues
*Subject:* Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?
Hi Konstantin

Did DTP not participate in Oxygen in June? There the class was already deleted, 
so, DTP should have run into this in June already.

Note that we announced the deletion on this mailing list.

Dani



From: Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Date: 15.12.2017 17:46
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?
Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org



Dani,

It wasn’t an internal. It was a deprecated class that was removed. Since DTP isn’t actively being developed, no one saw the 
deprecation warnings. A major version bump would have allowed the removal to be caught earlier…


org.eclipse.jface.util.ListenerList (removed)

org.eclipse.core.runtime.ListenerList (replacement)


Thanks,

- Konstantin

*From: *_Daniel Megert_ <mailto:daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>*
Sent: *Friday, December 15, 2017 3:17 AM*
To: *_Cross project issues_ <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>*
Subject: *Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?


 platform made an API change after that which broke some of the DTP 
functionality


Do you have a bug report for that? The platform usually doesn't break APIs. Did 
DTP maybe use internals?

Dani



From: Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
To: "cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org" 
<cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Date: 14.12.2017 22:11
Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?
Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org

Could someone forward this to the Planning Council, please?

I am currently working with Nick Boldt to transition DTP releng responsibility. In the meantime, the version of DTP in Oxygen.2 has 
compatibility issues. It was last build with Oxygen.0.M4 and platform made an API change after that which broke some of the DTP 
functionality. The 1.14.1 release that contains the fix is ready to go. Since EGit has initiated a respin, would it be possible for 
DTP to join. The change is low risk. Basically changing package names for a class that now must be found in a different plugin and 
corresponding version updates.


Thanks,

- Konstantin


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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-16 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik 
Dani,


DTD did participate in Oxygen, but DTP is in maintenance mode with no one 
actively working on it. The only time a new build or release is made is when a 
critical need arises. Such event happened in Oxygen M4 with Lucene changes, so 
DTP produced a 1.14 build at that point and went dormant again. In particular, 
it was not rebuilt with the following milestones.


In my opinion, the deprecate and announce policy of API removal isn't effective 
for projects like DTP. There is a huge code base. Only a small part is going to 
be examined and only when something breaks. There is no one to notice the 
deprecation warnings. Similarly, when the announcement comes, it relies on 
someone either (a) recognizing that their project depends on that API, or (b) 
proactively searching through the code base for references. Neither of these is 
very likely to happen for a maintenance mode project. What would have helped is 
strict adherence to OSGi versioning convention (major version bump) as that 
would have broken DTP aggregation and triggered a need for a rebuild, so 
problematic references would have been caught and fixed.


Thanks,


- Konstantin




From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org 
<cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> on behalf of Daniel Megert 
<daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:25 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

Hi Konstantin

Did DTP not participate in Oxygen in June? There the class was already deleted, 
so, DTP should have run into this in June already.

Note that we announced the deletion on this mailing list.

Dani



From:Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
To:Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Date:15.12.2017 17:46
Subject:    Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 
respin?
Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org




Dani,



It wasn’t an internal. It was a deprecated class that was removed. Since DTP 
isn’t actively being developed, no one saw the deprecation warnings. A major 
version bump would have allowed the removal to be caught earlier…



org.eclipse.jface.util.ListenerList (removed)

org.eclipse.core.runtime.ListenerList (replacement)

Thanks,



- Konstantin





From: Daniel Megert<mailto:daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>
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> platform made an API change after that which broke some of the DTP 
> functionality

Do you have a bug report for that? The platform usually doesn't break APIs. Did 
DTP maybe use internals?

Dani



From:Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
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Date:        14.12.2017 22:11
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Could someone forward this to the Planning Council, please?



I am currently working with Nick Boldt to transition DTP releng responsibility. 
In the meantime, the version of DTP in Oxygen.2 has compatibility issues. It 
was last build with Oxygen.0.M4 and platform made an API change after that 
which broke some of the DTP functionality. The 1.14.1 release that contains the 
fix is ready to go. Since EGit has initiated a respin, would it be possible for 
DTP to join. The change is low risk. Basically changing package names for a 
class that now must be found in a different plugin and corresponding version 
updates.



Thanks,



- Konstantin

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-16 Thread Daniel Megert 
Hi Konstantin

Did DTP not participate in Oxygen in June? There the class was already 
deleted, so, DTP should have run into this in June already.

Note that we announced the deletion on this mailing list.

Dani



From:   Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Date:   15.12.2017 17:46
Subject:    Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in 
Oxygen.2 respin?
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Dani,
 
It wasn?t an internal. It was a deprecated class that was removed. Since 
DTP isn?t actively being developed, no one saw the deprecation warnings. A 
major version bump would have allowed the removal to be caught earlier?
 
org.eclipse.jface.util.ListenerList (removed)
org.eclipse.core.runtime.ListenerList (replacement)

Thanks,
 
- Konstantin
 
 
From: Daniel Megert
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:17 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 
respin?
 
> platform made an API change after that which broke some of the DTP 
functionality

Do you have a bug report for that? The platform usually doesn't break 
APIs. Did DTP maybe use internals?

Dani



From:Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
To:"cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org" 
<cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Date:    14.12.2017 22:11
Subject:        [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 
respin?
Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org

 
Could someone forward this to the Planning Council, please?
 
I am currently working with Nick Boldt to transition DTP releng 
responsibility. In the meantime, the version of DTP in Oxygen.2 has 
compatibility issues. It was last build with Oxygen.0.M4 and platform made 
an API change after that which broke some of the DTP functionality. The 
1.14.1 release that contains the fix is ready to go. Since EGit has 
initiated a respin, would it be possible for DTP to join. The change is 
low risk. Basically changing package names for a class that now must be 
found in a different plugin and corresponding version updates.
 
Thanks,
 
- Konstantin

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-15 Thread Evgeny Mandrikov 
Hi guys,

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:31 PM Daniel Megert 
wrote:

> Can you provide a bug report or more details? Our deprecation policy is 2
> years!
>

I think following announcement by Lars contains details that you're
searching -
http://cross-project-issues-dev.eclipse.narkive.com/luLUdMMh/api-removal-org-eclipse-jface-util-listenerlist
Hope this helps.

Regards,
Evgeny
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-15 Thread Daniel Megert 
Can you provide a bug report or more details? Our deprecation policy is 2 
years!

Dani



From:   Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Date:   15.12.2017 17:46
Subject:    Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in 
Oxygen.2 respin?
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Dani,
 
It wasn?t an internal. It was a deprecated class that was removed. Since 
DTP isn?t actively being developed, no one saw the deprecation warnings. A 
major version bump would have allowed the removal to be caught earlier?
 
org.eclipse.jface.util.ListenerList (removed)
org.eclipse.core.runtime.ListenerList (replacement)

Thanks,
 
- Konstantin
 
 
From: Daniel Megert
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:17 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 
respin?
 
> platform made an API change after that which broke some of the DTP 
functionality

Do you have a bug report for that? The platform usually doesn't break 
APIs. Did DTP maybe use internals?

Dani



From:Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
To:"cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org" 
<cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>
Date:    14.12.2017 22:11
Subject:        [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 
respin?
Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org

 
Could someone forward this to the Planning Council, please?
 
I am currently working with Nick Boldt to transition DTP releng 
responsibility. In the meantime, the version of DTP in Oxygen.2 has 
compatibility issues. It was last build with Oxygen.0.M4 and platform made 
an API change after that which broke some of the DTP functionality. The 
1.14.1 release that contains the fix is ready to go. Since EGit has 
initiated a respin, would it be possible for DTP to join. The change is 
low risk. Basically changing package names for a class that now must be 
found in a different plugin and corresponding version updates.
 
Thanks,
 
- Konstantin

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-15 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik 
Dani,

It wasn’t an internal. It was a deprecated class that was removed. Since DTP 
isn’t actively being developed, no one saw the deprecation warnings. A major 
version bump would have allowed the removal to be caught earlier…

org.eclipse.jface.util.ListenerList (removed)
org.eclipse.core.runtime.ListenerList (replacement)

Thanks,

- Konstantin


From: Daniel Megert
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:17 AM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

> platform made an API change after that which broke some of the DTP 
> functionality

Do you have a bug report for that? The platform usually doesn't break APIs. Did 
DTP maybe use internals?

Dani



From:        Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com>
To:        "cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org" 
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Date:        14.12.2017 22:11
Subject:        [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?
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Could someone forward this to the Planning Council, please?
 
I am currently working with Nick Boldt to transition DTP releng responsibility. 
In the meantime, the version of DTP in Oxygen.2 has compatibility issues. It 
was last build with Oxygen.0.M4 and platform made an API change after that 
which broke some of the DTP functionality. The 1.14.1 release that contains the 
fix is ready to go. Since EGit has initiated a respin, would it be possible for 
DTP to join. The change is low risk. Basically changing package names for a 
class that now must be found in a different plugin and corresponding version 
updates.
 
Thanks,
 
- Konstantin

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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-14 Thread Wayne Beaton 
Will do.

Wayne

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Konstantin Komissarchik <
konstantin.komissarc...@oracle.com> wrote:

> Could someone forward this to the Planning Council, please?
>
>
>
> I am currently working with Nick Boldt to transition DTP releng
> responsibility. In the meantime, the version of DTP in Oxygen.2 has
> compatibility issues. It was last build with Oxygen.0.M4 and platform made
> an API change after that which broke some of the DTP functionality. The
> 1.14.1 release that contains the fix is ready to go. Since EGit has
> initiated a respin, would it be possible for DTP to join. The change is low
> risk. Basically changing package names for a class that now must be found
> in a different plugin and corresponding version updates.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> - Konstantin
>
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[cross-project-issues-dev] Can DTP join EGit in Oxygen.2 respin?

2017-12-14 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik 
Could someone forward this to the Planning Council, please?

I am currently working with Nick Boldt to transition DTP releng responsibility. 
In the meantime, the version of DTP in Oxygen.2 has compatibility issues. It 
was last build with Oxygen.0.M4 and platform made an API change after that 
which broke some of the DTP functionality. The 1.14.1 release that contains the 
fix is ready to go. Since EGit has initiated a respin, would it be possible for 
DTP to join. The change is low risk. Basically changing package names for a 
class that now must be found in a different plugin and corresponding version 
updates.

Thanks,

- Konstantin
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