Re: [crossfire] Graphism perspective
On 11/19/11 01:27 PM, Nicolas Weeger wrote: Hello. I'm wondering what perspective we want to have in the game. Right now, for monsters themselves, it's quite incoherent: - some are top/bottom/left/right - some have the vertical line not vertical - some have yet other things. There are a few potential different thoughts on this - one could take any/all of these as what should be done: - What looks best - What perspective most of the monsters/images currently have - What is easiest to draw Probably some others. I suspect the mix is because different artists decided to draw them in their own style. I also suspect that the slanted ones might have been a result of isomorphic tileset/display - those at a tilt would look proper if the walls/overall map had that same perspective, but not the flat display of crossfire. I note that the bears as an example have issue with lighting - from the README in the arch directory: Light should generally come from the right side, so the left side of buildings should be darker or shaded, as needed. But the bears have the light coming from the left, so their right is in shade. That is easy to fix - just flip it (so it faces left), but does illustrate that adding shadows to objects make it a bit harder to do different faces - for creatures with no shadows, like the ape, it is very easy to do a left/right facing - a simple flip, and it is done. While not really clear, I always took it that the bottom (south) of the map is closer to the viewer. Thus, creatures going north (away) should have a back view. I'm a bit old fashioned, but my vote would be the vertical access is vertical, not at a slant. But I prefer the look like they are 3D, and not flat - as examples, the bear and ape are what I would describe as 3D looking, where as highangle and dave appear flat. That may just have to do with the graphics themselves, but this could also extend to other objects. For example, a lot of the equipment could have a very flat look (symbolic), but I actually prefer the look that they are 3d. The problem I see with vertical access 'exiting the screen' is that all one should see in that case would be the top of most peoples head - not very exciting. It's also odd because things like town are clearly not a true top down perspective - if that was the case, all one would see is the roofs of the shops, and not the front. So while the game is top down, the viewing direction clearly isn't quite like that - it is more that one is at a 30 or 45 degree angle to the south and looking into the town, dungeon, whatever. ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
[crossfire] Graphism perspective
Hello. I'm wondering what perspective we want to have in the game. Right now, for monsters themselves, it's quite incoherent: - some are top/bottom/left/right - some have the vertical line not vertical - some have yet other things. Random examples: http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/animal/Bear/bear.base.x31.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/animal/Bear/polarbear.base.x31.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/animal/ape.base.131.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/animal/cobra.base.x12.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/animal/mushman1.base.151.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/angel/angel.base.112.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/angel/archangel.base.x12.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/angel/highangel.base.116.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/goblin/gnoll.base.111.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/goblin/goblin.base.171.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/goblin/orc_chief.base.112.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/undead/dave.base.113.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/undead/deathshead.base.113.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/undead/demilich.base.111.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/undead/nazgul.base.111.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/undead/vampire.base.111.png?revision=13991&view=markup http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/undead/zombie.base.111.png?revision=13991&view=markup I admit that the "top/bottom/left/right" view is weird, considering the view is somehow top-down. On the other hand having a non-vertical vertical axis (like http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/angel/archangel.base.x12.png?revision=13991&view=markup ) looks weird. So maybe something like a vertical axis "vertically exiting the screen" (if that makes sense :))... What do you think? Regards Nicolas -- Mon p'tit coin du web - http://nicolas.weeger.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire