Re: Some additional info about "Which book for a newbie to cryptography?"

2004-09-08 Thread Foo-o-Matic
Ok, I have read both yours and Sandy Harris's replies, and looked
again at my previous message, and the opinions are kinda ambiguous.
I think I will go to the library and pick one of them.
anyway, I don't feel I need a book that gets very or too deep, because
I really don't have much time for that. I just need a good book which
will teach me the main and important things, and won't be too much
mathy (altho I passes the Discrete Math 1 and 2 courses, I don't
really like it, maybe except combinatorics and that theory with P Q's,
and T(), F()'s (I don't know its name in english, it isn't my native
language).
well thanks for the help so far, you have all been very helpful.


On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:29:27 +0100, M Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 01:19:18PM +0200, Foo-o-Matic wrote:
> > 1. I'm a 2nd year student of BA in Computer Science, I finished 5
> >
> > - Cryptography : theory and practice: 2nd ed. / Douglas R. Stinson
> > - Handbook of applied cryptography / Alfred J. Menezes, Paul C. van
> > Oorschot, Scott A. Vanstone
>  
> The first is a textbook aimed at senior undergrad students or first
> year graduate students, and one of the more frequently used textbooks
> at university. Either it or A Course in Number Theory and Cryptography
> by Neil Koblitz are good places to start.
> 
> The Handbook of Applied Cryptography is a very useful reference,
> although since it predates AES it does show its age a bit. Still,
> it is IMHO better than Schneier's Applied Cryptography for going into
> details.
> 
> For an historic overview and practical examples of "unbreakable
> encryption" failing look for either The Code Book by Simon Singh
> and/or The Codebreakers by David Kahn (ISBN 0684831309). I really
> recommend you spend some time reading at least one of these.
> 
> > As you can see, no Schneier here.
> 
> Applied Cryptography is overrated as a "bible" IMHO, though when combined
> with Practial Cryptography the misleading dictum of "sprinkling a little
> bit of crypto over things will make it secure" is tempered.
> 
> Read <http://www.counterpane.com/whycrypto.html>,
>  <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/wcf.html>, and
>  <http://www.counterpane.com/pitfalls.html>.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
>

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Some additional info about "Which book for a newbie to cryptography?"

2004-09-07 Thread Foo-o-Matic
Hi, it's me again.
first, thank you for all the answers. second, im sorry for the lack of
details, I should have added some info, which is:
1. I'm a 2nd year student of BA in Computer Science, I finished 5
courses, 3 in Programming (Intoduction A to Computer Science,
Introduction B to Computer Science, and Software Development in UNIX
[in all of them we were writing codes in C] ) and 2 courses in math
(Discrete Math 1 and Discrete Math 2). so basically that is my
mathematical knowledge. also now im about to start the courses
Differential and Integral math, and Linear math.

2. I went to the online Library Catalog and searched for the keyword
"Cryptography", and these were the results:

~~
- Cryptography : theory and practice: 2nd ed. / Douglas R. Stinson
- Defending your digital assets against hackers, crackers, spies and
thieves / Randall K. Nichols, Daniel J. Ryan, Julie J. C. H. Ryan
- Cryptography and network security : principles and practice /
William Stallings
- Handbook of applied cryptography / Alfred J. Menezes, Paul C. van
Oorschot, Scott A. Vanstone
- Practical cryptography for data internetworks / William Stallings
- Disappearing cryptography : being and nothingness on the Net / Peter Wayner
- Protect your privacy : the PGP user's guide / William Stallings
- Cryptography : theory and practice: 1st ed. / Douglas R. Stinson
~~

As you can see, no Schneier here.
That's it, I think that's all what I wanted to add.
So now what book do you recommend?
Thanks alot in advance,
Foo-o-Matic

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Which book for a newbie to cryptography?

2004-09-06 Thread Foo-O-Matic
Hi, first im new to this list and to cryptography. :)
I've read the first lesson from this 24 crypto lessons:
http://www.und.nodak.edu/org/crypto/crypto/lanaki.crypt.class/lessons/
and found it really interesting. I want to start learning cryptography
from a book, and I have access to these 3 books from the library in
the college near me:

- Handbook of applied cryptography / Alfred J. Menezes, Paul C. van
Oorschot, Scott A. Vanstone / 1996
- Cryptography : theory and practice 2nd ed. / Douglas R. Stinson / 2002

What I want to know is which one is recommended for someone which is
new to cryptography?

Thanks in advance,
Foo-o-Matic

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