Re: 2factor

2008-04-21 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:07:49 -0400
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 Which seem to be aimed at a drop in replacement for SSL (with a
 working example using Firefox and Apache). They seem to rest on a key
 exchange or agreement based on  a shared secret. 

As opposed to, say, RFC 4279, which is TLS-based.

--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

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Re: 2factor

2008-04-18 Thread Ed Gerck

Leichter, Jerry wrote:

No real technical data I can find on the site, and I've never seen
a site with so little information about who's involved.  (Typically,
you at least get a list of the top execs.)  Some ex-spooks?  Pure
snake oil?  Somewhere in between?


He's likely called Paul McGough, of Washington, DC, and ignores that 
SSL prevents MITM. It gets worse after this.


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/6ab/50b
http://2factor.com/pdf/technology_brief.pdf
http://www.freshpatents.com/Method-and-system-for-performing-perfectly-secure-key-exchange-and-authenticated-messaging-dt20060216ptan20060034456.php

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Re: 2factor

2008-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Leichter, Jerry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know anything about a company called 2factor (2factor.com)?
 They're pushing a system based on symmetric cryptography with, it
 appears, some kind of trusted authority.  Factor of 100 faster
 than SSL.  More secure, because it authenticates every message.

 No real technical data I can find on the site, and I've never seen
 a site with so little information about who's involved.  (Typically,
 you at least get a list of the top execs.)  Some ex-spooks?  Pure
 snake oil?  Somewhere in between?

Google says:

2factor Inc.
1540 South Holland-Sylvania Road
Maumee, OH 43537

Mark O. Wittenmyer, Chairman
David M. Burns, Chief Executive Officer
Raymond A. Romagnolo, Executive Vice President

2factor, Inc. BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Mark O. Wittenmyer

-Michael Heyman

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Re: 2factor

2008-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Leichter, Jerry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know anything about a company called 2factor (2factor.com)?
 They're pushing a system based on symmetric cryptography with, it
 appears, some kind of trusted authority.  Factor of 100 faster
 than SSL.  More secure, because it authenticates every message.

 No real technical data I can find on the site, and I've never seen
 a site with so little information about who's involved.  (Typically,
 you at least get a list of the top execs.)  Some ex-spooks?  Pure
 snake oil?  Somewhere in between?

More googling and this seems to be the technology:

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2008030523
and
http://www.freshpatents.com/Method-and-system-for-performing-perfectly-secure-key-exchange-and-authenticated-messaging-dt20060216ptan20060034456.php

Which seem to be aimed at a drop in replacement for SSL (with a
working example using Firefox and Apache). They seem to rest on a key
exchange or agreement based on  a shared secret. Take this analysis
with a grain of salt - I just gave the patent and application a quick
scan.

-Michael Heyman

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2factor

2008-04-16 Thread Leichter, Jerry

Anyone know anything about a company called 2factor (2factor.com)?
They're pushing a system based on symmetric cryptography with, it
appears, some kind of trusted authority.  Factor of 100 faster
than SSL.  More secure, because it authenticates every message.

No real technical data I can find on the site, and I've never seen
a site with so little information about who's involved.  (Typically,
you at least get a list of the top execs.)  Some ex-spooks?  Pure
snake oil?  Somewhere in between?
-- Jerry

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