[cryptography] World-class protracted social engineering [was: Re: Key escrow 2012]

2012-04-03 Thread StealthMonger
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ianG i...@iang.org writes:

 The crypto wars were about opening up that battlefield so that open 
 source could start to experiment with lots and lots of alternatives. 
 The reason we lost the war was because we thought we'd won it.  We were 
 tricked.  What actually happened was a high profile weapon - the export 
 control - was loosened up enough just enough to make many think we'd 
 won.  All the low-profile weapons were left in place.

It's world-class protracted social engineering.  Orchestrated by whom?


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Re: [cryptography] World-class protracted social engineering [was: Re: Key escrow 2012]

2012-04-03 Thread James A. Donald

On 2012-04-03 11:25 PM, StealthMonger wrote:
 It's world-class protracted social engineering.  Orchestrated by whom?

You attribute too much competence to our enemies.  The problem is that 
our tools are unsatisfactory, no one wants to use them.  They need 
improvement.


One tool that works and is widely used is the vpn.  vpns cross borders, 
with the result that the Chinese economy has most of its management 
outside the grasp of the Chinese state, which strikes me as a pretty big 
step towards the cypherpunk economy.


But aside from that one success, the problem is that we are not that 
good.  Fortunately our opponents are worse.

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