Re: [css-d] drop down menu

2005-06-01 Thread Ingo Chao

Virtuallee schrieb:

The menu drop down seems to be disappearing behing the large image 
below. 


No. The large image below is patched above the menu.


http://www.virtuallee.co.uk/client_area/Neptune/index_test_nav.htm


#navwrapper { ... z-index:1} does it technically, but green text on blue 
background keeps it invisible.


.chao {...}
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[css-d] Re: Positioning/Hiding Legends

2005-06-01 Thread jack fredricks
i hate bumping, but i thought i'd try my luck once more

jack

On 5/30/05, jack fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone know of a decent way to 'hide' a legend from visual
 browsers? For design reasons, I am duplicating the fieldset's legend
 using a header (sorry, I can't avoid this at this stage). I want to
 keep a real legend for accessibility, but don't want to have both my
 fake legend and real legend showing.
 
 dummy code;
 
 h3Fake Legend, sadly I must keep this/h3
 fieldset
 legendReal legend, please hide me for visual browser/legend
 input id=status_all type=radio name=Rstatus value=all checked
 label for=status_alllabel for radio/labelbr
 /fieldset
 
 dummy css;
 
 legend {
 position: absolute;
 left: -999em;
 border:1px blue solid;
 }
 
 display:none works, but kills the accessibility I am trying to keep.
 FF is not letting me position the legend.
 
 thanks
 jack

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Re: [css-d] Positioning/Hiding Legends

2005-06-01 Thread Christian Heilmann
 h3Fake Legend, sadly I must keep this/h3
 fieldset
 legendReal legend, please hide me for visual browser/legend
 input id=status_all type=radio name=Rstatus value=all checked
 label for=status_alllabel for radio/labelbr
 /fieldset

Why do you need to keep the heading? Surely a fieldset with a gap
(should you be successful in hiding the legend) is as visually
(non)pleasing as an unstyled fieldset?

I always thought the idea of a fieldset is also to group elements
visually, not only for screen readers.

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[css-d] Sitecheck please: Firefox bug?

2005-06-01 Thread Albert van der Veen

Hello list,

On http://www.vakdagdirectmail.nl/ the footer isn't showing in Firefox. 
Please have a look at the css: http://www.vakdagdirectmail.nl/dmail.css
When I remove the bottom:0px from the #footer_ definition, it shows up (but 
not completely at the bottom - and in IE6 it's also not aligned at the 
bottom anymore, so don't want to remove bottom:0px ). Anyone know if this 
is a known bug?

Thanks for your help.

Albert van der Veen


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RE: [css-d] SOLVED : Problem under MAC IE 5.0 and 5.5 (list navbar doesn't display correctly under MAC IE 5.0)

2005-06-01 Thread jérôme coupé
Hello Philippe,

Thank you very much for your quick answer.
Your suggestion (below)corrected the first problem when added to my CSS
http://www.polarfoundation.org
http://www.polarfoundation.org/css/main.css

/*The following is read by IE5 MAC only
http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2004/07/06/filtering-css.html
and is used so that IE 5.0 mac draws the main navbar (almost) correctly
credits to Philippe Wittenbergh for this solution:*/
/*\*//*/
div#mainnav li
{
display:inline-block !important;
float:none !important;
}
div#mainnav a
{
display:inline-block !important;
float:none !important;
white-space:nowrap;
width:1px;
}
/**/

To solve the jumpy box below (my second problem), you suggestion was to add
a border on both states of a tags (normal + hover: see below)
I've decided to leave that as it is because I am not willing to change the
design so drastically for such an old browser.
What is important to my is that everyone can use the website (which IE5.0
users on MAC can do now, thanks to the first part of the solution). I can
live with the fact that users using IE 5.2 on MAC will see things jump a bit
on the homepage untill they have hovered every link.

Again, thanks very much.
If you have a page up explaining the trick in detail, I'd be happy to point
to it in the CSS file.

That one is caused by the repainting of the page when hovering over the
(some) links in the #mainnav.
Instead of this
div#mainnav a
{
   float:left;
   font-family:Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;
   padding:5px 8px;
   text-decoration:none;
   color:#000;
}
div#mainnav a:hover,div#mainnav a:focus,div#mainnav a:active,div#mainnav
a.current {
   border-bottom:3px solid #bd000b;
   padding-bottom:2px;
}
use this

div#mainnav a
{
   float:left;
   font-family:Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;
   padding:5px 8px 2px; == NEW !important */
   text-decoration:none;
   color:#000;
   border-bottom:3px solid lime; /* == NEW !important */ } div#mainnav
a:hover,div#mainnav a:focus,div#mainnav a:active,div#mainnav a.current {
   border-bottom:3px solid #bd000b;
   padding-bottom:2px; /* delete */
}

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[css-d] Request: nice examples of liquid designs

2005-06-01 Thread Albert van der Veen

Hello list,

A friend of mine has been asked to design a site for a graphic designer. 
She wants to create a design that uses the maximum amount of space 
available (the whole browserwindow). So not a fixed width but some sort of 
liquid design. Any of you know of some nice examples - especially portfolio 
sites from graphic designers?

Thanks.

Albert van der Veen


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Re: [css-d] Sitecheck please: Firefox bug?

2005-06-01 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On 6/1/05, Albert van der Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On http://www.vakdagdirectmail.nl/ the footer isn't showing in Firefox.
...

I'd suggest to add different color borders for your html, body, footer
and achtergrond_ -- you will see the effect of height in percents.

Then you may try to remove overflow: hidden from your #achtergrond_
style rules -- that will reveal where footer is hiding.

No you should have enough information for troubleshooting...

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Re: [css-d] Site check [divafoundationbg.org] on Mac /not urgent

2005-06-01 Thread Mikhail Bozgounov

Hi, Luca!

Thank you very much for the Mac feedback!

As I can see from the screenshots, there are some problems on AT LEAST every one 
of the browsers you have tested the website in:)


But most strange thing for me is that www.divafoundationbg.org does not show ANY 
IMAGES AT ALL on FF/Mac! I have tested on FF/Win, v.1.0.4, all appears to be 
correct? Images are exported using Macromedia Fireworks MX 2004, as standard JPG 
files.


Could it be that FF on Mac CANNOT READ the images itself because of some strange 
incompatibility of the image format (I mean, this must not be a CSS issue - on 
the creenshot can be seen even that the margins/paddings are CORRECT, only the 
images don't show?)


Please, someone confirm on FF/Mac if you see any images on the website, or none? 
In this case, if it is confirmed, should I try to re-export the images, and how, 
so they can appear on the site? And last idea, just CHECK if (for example), the 
header can be OPENED as a simple image in your FF/mac browser:

http://divafoundationbg.org/i/header.jpg

Thank you!

Michel

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Re: [css-d] OT When is the next version of CSS?

2005-06-01 Thread Bob Easton

jordan WOLLMAN wrote:

I've heard a lot of rumor of a newer version of CSS on the horizon with a
lot of really neat new features, but can't find any information on it to
save my life.

Anyone got any idea when/who/where/anything else relevant?


Short answer: nothing soon.

Recent W3C CSS work has been on CSS 2.1, which will be published in the 
next few weeks.  This is an update to 2.0 which serves to tighten up the 
spec, removing many ambiguities.  It clarifies rather than introduces 
new function.  It is a version where the technical gurus behind each of 
the major browsers have been deeply involved in getting the spec right. 
 After it's published, I imagine a period of several months as newer 
versions of browsers come into conformance with the spec.


Only after 2.1 publishes will work resume on CSS 3.  Version 3 is 
modular and none of the modules are yet well defined for publishing let 
alone implementation.  My personal estimate is 18-24 months before 
seeing any notable CSS 3 implementations.


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Re: [css-d] OT When is the next version of CSS?

2005-06-01 Thread Rudolf Vavruch
IE7 will support a bunch of CSS3 stuff, more than Firefox currently 
supports (although at the moment as far as I can see CSS3 is not yet 
finalised so stuff is due to change).


How good IE's implementation will be remains to be seen. Nonetheless 
hopefully it will light the fire under Mozilla and Opera, I would love 
to be able to use nth-child selectors.


Oh and min-height, min-width!

http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/compatibility/

jordan WOLLMAN wrote:

I've heard a lot of rumor of a newer version of CSS on the horizon with a
lot of really neat new features, but can't find any information on it to
save my life.

Anyone got any idea when/who/where/anything else relevant?

Sincerely,

JordanWOLLMAN


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Re: [css-d] OT When is the next version of CSS?

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Cardwell

Rudolf Vavruch wrote:

IE7 will support a bunch of CSS3 stuff


Do you have a source on that?  The last thing I remember reading about 
it was on Chris Wilson's (the lead program manager for the web platform 
in IE) stating in his blog:


By contrast, vague demands for open-ended standards support, or 
requests for various standards that arent (yet, at least) standards 
(there is no CSS3 standard yet, nor is XUL a standard), dont really 
help us drive our development very much. [1]


Which I take to mean they won't be implementing any/much CSS3 stuff and 
certainly not more than Firefox currently supports.  I may be wrong 
though - that entry was from March and I haven't been following things 
very closely recently.





[1] http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/03/09/391362.aspx
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Re: [css-d] OT When is the next version of CSS?

2005-06-01 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On 6/1/05, Rudolf Vavruch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 IE7 will support a bunch of CSS3 stuff, more than Firefox currently
 supports (although at the moment as far as I can see CSS3 is not yet
 finalised so stuff is due to change).
... 
 http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/compatibility/

Dean's script should not be confused with IE7 by Microsoft. There
hardly will be any CSS enchancements in it. So far I am aware only on
png alpha transparency support and tabs.

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[css-d] Whitespace and generated content

2005-06-01 Thread Lim Chee Aun
I'm not sure if this would interest anyone here, but anyway here it is:
http://cheeaun.phoenity.com/weblog/2005/06/whitespace-and-generated-content.html

I've made a test case page too:
http://phoenity.com/tests/whitespace-generated-content.html

Enjoy.
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Re: [css-d] OT When is the next version of CSS?

2005-06-01 Thread jordan WOLLMAN
Thanks everyone for your replies and thoughts on the next version of CSS. I
was hoping for a Hey look, CSS3 is out, let's all start supporting it kind
of answer... But hey, when have browsers ever lived up to my personal wants?

Still looking forward to Alpha transparency in IE7. That'd make my life much
easier.

Sincerely,

Jordan WOLLMAN // Ariamedia Corporation
Creative Director


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Re: [css-d] OT When is the next version of CSS?

2005-06-01 Thread Mike Stickel

On Jun 1, 2005, at 6:36 AM, Rudolf Vavruch wrote:
Damn. False alarm, sorry. After looking deeper I figured out Dean  
Edwards isn't actually working on the real IE7, but his own  
extension. I was so excited I suppose I didn't check.


Is my face red and now the my dreams of coding CSS without hacks is  
shattered. Double damn.



That's actually what Dean Edwards' IE7 is suppose to do, eliminate  
the need for IE specific hacks. You've read the compatibility page so  
you have an idea but you should take a read of the overview page.  
It'll tell you really what it's for.


Mike Stickel
Screenflicker Developments
www.screenflicker.com

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Re: [css-d] CPU usage overload when scrolling up/down my blog (XHTML1/CSS based)

2005-06-01 Thread Rahul Gonsalves

Michael:

I'm using FF 1.0.4, on an Athlon 2.4 - I'm seeing less than 10% CPU 
usage - I've got Thunderbird, Firefox and Trillian open. Perhaps it's 
something else, not your code?


Also a newbie here, so glad that I have all the skills neccesary ( Open 
Task Manager  Open Web Page  Watch Screen) to be of service.


Cheers,
Rahul.



Michael Hulet wrote:


Hi everybody,

My first post on this list (hello Myself), for a problem with my 
professional blog. I'm making big use of  XHTML1 Strict with CSS 
style sheets and I think it is related to my problem.


The problem is: CPU usage overload while scrolling up/down the website 
(more with Firefox).


Wanna try? Use Firefox and go to 
http://www.mindtheshark.com/blog/index.php/2005/05/31/2-a-mort-internet-explorer. 
Try scrolling down the blog (it's in French)... Now, try scrolling up 
and down like crazy... Using Firefox, my CPU usage is reaching 99%... 
I have a P4 3200 Mhz!


Then, using something like Web developer Firefox plug-in, disable 
all CSS styles and see the difference: no CPU usage, no overload. I 
also tried only disabling background images (all PNGs): it doesn't help.


So my first question is: Is it true or am I just dreaming?
And my second is: What's wrong with my code? I really don't know why 
this happens and it seems to be quite the same problem on other 
websites I'm currently developing.


Thanks in advance for help,

Michael



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Re: [css-d] Section 508 Levels of Conformance

2005-06-01 Thread David Dorward
On 6/1/05, Alexander Khost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am developing a few sites with table-less CSS layouts. While I'm at
 it, I have decided to develop the sites for Section 508 compliancy.
 Does anyone know of a validator that tests for conformance and tells
 you what level it meets?

AFAIK, Secion 508 doesn't have levels of conformance. Either you
conform, or you don't.

(And you shouldn't depend on automated testing tools, AI isn't
presently good enough to check for everything in 508 and WCAG).

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RE: [css-d] SOLVED : Problem under MAC IE 5.0 and 5.5 (list navbardoesn't display correctly under MAC IE 5.0)

2005-06-01 Thread jérôme coupé
Hello Philippe,

I tried this transparent border trick after your first post but finaly
decided it was not worth it ... hence my SOLVED post to the list.
However, since you took some of __your__ precious time to very kindly point
me to this solution (and I had to include the reference of your site
anyway), I took the time to implement the whole stuff ... IE 5 MAC fans can
now rejoice (except that the border on hover features a 2 pixels gap on the
left ;o), but hey, I can live with that)

Thanks ever so much for your help again.

Cheers,

Jérôme Coupé
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[css-d] IE6 win resize and hovered navi

2005-06-01 Thread Carsten Peters
Two Problems on this Page: 
http://www.learn-line.nrw.de/angebote/schulsport/index.html


1. in IE6 win the bottom graphic of the Boxes without a scrollbar 
disapears when resizing or scrolling the window. After reload, resize or 
scroll again it reappears.


2. in Firefox the text in the hovered navi is broken at the border of 
the scrolling div.


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Re: [css-d][ADMIN - OT] Section 508 Levels of Conformance

2005-06-01 Thread Bob Easton
On 6/1/05, Alexander Khost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am developing a few sites with table-less CSS layouts. While I'm at
 it, I have decided to develop the sites for Section 508 compliancy.
 Does anyone know of a validator that tests for conformance and tells
 you what level it meets?

This question is Off Topic for the CSS list.  You should try Google
searches for accessibility checking tools.  Bobby and Cynthia Says are
the typical tools.  Neither gives definitive answers because there are
no definitive answers for many accessibility affordances.  I have a
few accessibliity resources noted at:
http://www.access-matters.com/resources/

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Re: [css-d] Whitespace and generated content

2005-06-01 Thread Ingo Chao

Lim Chee Aun schrieb:

http://cheeaun.phoenity.com/weblog/2005/06/whitespace-and-generated-content.html
Very interesting. Thank you for linking content up with white-space. I 
knew I made something wrong with the escapes in content.


Ingo
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RE: [css-d] Section 508 Levels of Conformance

2005-06-01 Thread Mark Marlow
I have used: http://webxact.watchfire.com/  
- Mark
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Subject: [css-d] Section 508 Levels of Conformance

I am developing a few sites with table-less CSS layouts. While I'm at it, I
have decided to develop the sites for Section 508 compliancy.
Does anyone know of a validator that tests for conformance and tells you
what level it meets?

I have read and understand the W3C guidelines
(http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/) and have used tools such as the
Cynthia Says portal (http://www.contentquality.com/Default.asp), but have
yet to see one that actually defines what level of conformance your site
meets.

Thank you in advance,
Alex

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Re: [css-d][ADMIN - OT] Section 508 Levels of Conformance

2005-06-01 Thread Alexander Khost
Thank you; my apologies for the Off Topic post...


On 6/1/05, Bob Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 6/1/05, Alexander Khost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am developing a few sites with table-less CSS layouts. While I'm at
  it, I have decided to develop the sites for Section 508 compliancy.
  Does anyone know of a validator that tests for conformance and tells
  you what level it meets?
 
 This question is Off Topic for the CSS list.  You should try Google
 searches for accessibility checking tools.  Bobby and Cynthia Says are
 the typical tools.  Neither gives definitive answers because there are
 no definitive answers for many accessibility affordances.  I have a
 few accessibliity resources noted at:
 http://www.access-matters.com/resources/
 
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[css-d] SELECT is not bound by div in FireFox and Opera

2005-06-01 Thread Mark Marlow
Hi all,

Having problem with this page
http://207.195.54.74/testwiz/mm/selectprob.html when viewing with Opera 8 or
FireFox 1.3.  The problem is the SELECT list drops below the containing
DIV's border.  IE works ok.  Any suggestions how to make this work with all
browsers?

Thanks!

Mark
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Re: [css-d] OT When is the next version of CSS?

2005-06-01 Thread Rudolf Vavruch

Cool. Do you, or anyone here use it?

This doesn't sound so hot: 
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2004/11/23/268662.aspx#269183




Mike Stickel wrote:

On Jun 1, 2005, at 6:36 AM, Rudolf Vavruch wrote:

Damn. False alarm, sorry. After looking deeper I figured out Dean  
Edwards isn't actually working on the real IE7, but his own  
extension. I was so excited I suppose I didn't check.


Is my face red and now the my dreams of coding CSS without hacks is  
shattered. Double damn.




That's actually what Dean Edwards' IE7 is suppose to do, eliminate  the 
need for IE specific hacks. You've read the compatibility page so  you 
have an idea but you should take a read of the overview page.  It'll 
tell you really what it's for.


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Re: [css-d] RE: CPU usage overload when scrolling up/down my blog

2005-06-01 Thread David Merchant

At 05:57 PM 6/1/2005 +0300, you wrote:

QUOTE
Wanna try? Use Firefox and go to
http://www.mindtheshark.com/blog/index.php/2005/05/31/2-a-mort-internet-explorer.
Try scrolling down the blog (it's in French)... Now, try scrolling up
and down like crazy... Using Firefox, my CPU usage is reaching 99%... I


With or without smooth scrolling in Firefox 1.0.4. I get about 55% CPU 
usage when I scroll up and down like crazy. Same with Netscape 8.0.


With Opera 7.54 I get about 30% CPU usage, same with I.E 6.0.

I get about 15% CPU usage with I.E. 5.0.1.

I get about 16% CPU usage with Opera 6.04.

I get about 14% CPU usage with Netscape 4.79 (though it usually hits around 
10%, rarely hits 14%).


This is on a P4 2.6 GHZ PC (XP SP2) with 1 GB Ram running, in the 
background, Microsoft's Spyware Beta, Wordweb 3.02, ZoneAlarm Personal 5.5, 
McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.0, MSN Messenger 7, Eudora 5.1, Panorama 32 v 
1.31 (auto wallpaper changer) and Opera 7.54.


A side note, in Firefox 1 on Win98 I notice the globes spin (each link has 
a spinning globe before it), in Firefox 1 on WinXP the globes are not 
spinning and in Opera 7.54 on WinXP I did not notice any globes at all, 
neither do they show up in I.E. 6.0.


HTH,
TTFN,
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[css-d] Photo caption idea for CSS

2005-06-01 Thread Linda Dunn

Hi all,

I have a page posted here...

http://www.seafoodlab.cmast.ncsu.edu/aboutus.html

...in which I am playing with the idea of making a div with class 
photobox for photos (the black and white one on the left) which will 
contain a photo caption.


The css is as follows:

.photobox {
   float: left;
   margin: 10px;
   font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
   color: #35519F;
   font-size: 11px;
   border: 1px none #35519F;
   padding: 5px;
   width: 200px;
}

.photobox img {
   display: block;
}

This works great so far for this one picture, but the problem is that I 
have to define the width of the div based on the photosize. So, the 
photos will either have to all be the same width, or I'll have to 
creative various photoboxes for various photo sizes.


Is there anyway to have the div stretch automatically to accommodate 
photo size (with the caption underneath, since the img is defined as a 
block level element) that doesn't involve javascript or the like? I 
really like doing the captions this way rather than as part of the 
image, for obvious reasons.


Any help appreciate,

linda

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Re: [css-d] CPU usage overload when scrolling up/down my blog (XHTML1/CSS based)

2005-06-01 Thread Ingo Chao

Michael Hulet schrieb:

http://www.mindtheshark.com/blog/index.php/2005/05/31/2-a-mort-internet-explorer.
 ... Is it true or am I just dreaming?


see bugzilla
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64401
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124150
and there are other related bugs (scrolling affected by png size, 
-transparency, hardware, FF build).


The question is if the scroll performance is affected by your page 
(jerky or slow scrolling)


Moz1.6: Yes
Deer Park alpha1: No
Opera8: No

All show up to 99%CPU peek usage here at my end with scrolling (why
shouldn't they), but the average  40% in Moz1.6 /without/ scrolling, 
only for turning the globes, is bad.



And my second is: What's wrong with my code?

nothing.

Ingo

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[css-d] Questions - Beginner

2005-06-01 Thread Rahul Gonsalves

Dear All:

Another day, another browser hack.

This is a site that I am in charge of maintaining :

http://cfl.in/

http://cfledu.org/  - (same)

It's a table based site, which I want to move to using CSS, as noted 
earlier.


Uwe Kaiser has been helping me out a _lot_ - BIG thanks there, and I've 
come up with a version that doesn't use any tables, and seems to work in 
FF 1.0.4, and in IE 6, and in Opera 8.0.


http://rathehun.beplaced.com/  - this is where the site is.

However, I still have a bunch of problems.

- Sidebar doesn't stretch down till the bottom. (see original for 
reference).
- How does one space out the Excursions, Landscaping, Mela, Interaction 
 without using br /?
- I need to align a logo in the top-left corner, both horizontal and 
vertical.
- There is a margin of about ~30px around the top and bottom. What am I 
doing wrong?


General

- Please look at my HTML/CSS and tell me whether I could be doing 
something better - my code validates, but I mean neater, smaller bits?
- General tips on layout, usability welcome! I'm beginning here, and can 
use all the help I can get!
- I don't have access to a Mac, so can somebody check on the popular Mac 
browsers? Safari / IE?


Once again, thanks Uwe for the CSS and Margaret for the usability tips.

Good night for now,
Rahul.

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Re: [css-d] Photo caption idea for CSS

2005-06-01 Thread Linda Dunn



David Laakso wrote:

Or, could you give a unique id to each page on the body element, and  
change only the width of the selector, for the corresponding page/image?


Hi David,

I'm not sure what you mean here -- would it be possible for you to give 
me an example? And do you mean a styleblock in the header of each page?


Thanks in advance,

linda

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Re: [css-d] List navigation width problems ...

2005-06-01 Thread Ingo Chao

Grady Kelly schrieb:


I took a few list navigation systems from Listamatic ... in IE they get all 
jacked up.  I found that the
reason to be setting the width to 750px.  When I took out the width, 
(see the commented code), it works fine in both browsers, except for an 
extra 10px in width.  I have rattled my brain trying to figure out why 
it is doing this, so I thought I would get some second opinions.  750px 
is where I would like it to be without jacking up ...



Width set to 750px
http://www.intermixcreative.com/tabbednav_750.html


where to begin.

1)
#navlist {... border-width: 1px; ... padding-bottom: 19px; padding-left: 
10px; ... }


Subtract the horizontal padding and the border width: 750-10-2 = insert 
width:738px; [1]


2)
#navlist ul, #navlist li { margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt; display: inline; 
list-style-type: none; }

#navlist a:link, #navlist a:visited { ... float: left; ...}

In browsers following the standards, the floated links are not enclosed 
in navlist, they would stick out of this list, but there is that 
padding-bottom: 19px; in #navlist. Delete this. They fall out of the 
container [2]. But not in IE. Now we have a dimension applied (738px), 
so IE lets the #navlist gain layout.  Any layout element [3] will 
contain floats automatically, no way to stop IE from this.


But the other browsers do not contain the floats, and you cannot apply 
the padding back cause it breaks your design in IE. So we have to 
contain the floats in the normal browsers too. I suggest using 
float:left in #navlist [2] for simplicity here.


#navlist {... border-width: 1px; ... /*padding-bottom: 19px;*/ 
padding-left: 10px; ... /*add*/ width:738px; float:left;}


3)
Now the floats are contained, but there is this visual gap from the 
borders preventing the tabs look like tabs, we have to pull the floats 
down:

/*add*/ #navlist a {position:relative; margin-bottom:-1px;}

4)
Now to the lower nav. It's now hooked from the floating #navlist, so you 
have to clear the float. For the same reasons like above, you have to 
modify the width and remove the padding-bottom, and add float.


#navlistlower { /*change*/ padding: 0 0 0 10px; ... /*add*/ width: 
738px; clear:left; float:left;}


5)
The floating links in the lower nav get a 4px border-bottom and 2px 
padding-bottom on :hover. Because they are contained in IE (width, 
float) and now in the other browsers too (float), this will expand the 
container on hover. Not good. You have to apply padding-bottom and a 
white/or bg-colored border for the stateless links too.


/*insert before the other rules */
#navlistlower a {border-bottom: 4px solid white; padding-bottom: 2px;}

6) clear the following element
h1 {clear:left;}

Ingo

[1] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModel
[2] http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
[3] position:absolute; float; display: inline-block; width; height; 
zoom; writing-mode: tb-rl; body, img, input, table, td, 
control, iframe, marquee, hr.






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Re: [css-d] 2 small problems

2005-06-01 Thread Gianni Cuccu



First problem is that the #content div drops approx 50px compared to the
#sidebar. I really can't see what's causing this. It's an IE problem only!



Hi, in 'main.css' change the margin value of generic element h3 (line 160) 
from margin: 40px 0 0;  to margin:0;



Next problem is that I use a bg image in my #wrapper (the vertical line 
splitting the #content from #sidebar). Why is it that if I have shorter 
content than the length of the #sidebar the line don't stretch...


You should clear the float of the #sidebar div,
try to add this rule

#content:after {
   content: .;
   display: block;
   height: 0;
   clear: both;
   visibility: hidden;
}

http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html



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[css-d] a little confused on these hacks on which browser they pertain to

2005-06-01 Thread Bruce Gilbert
A couple of CSS hacks I see used quite frequently are setting a :

width:45em and also a w\idth: Is the normal way to do width for IE and
the other one for Gecko? I'm a little confused on that. Also, what
does htmlbody #wrapper (or anything similar) do? and what browser(s)
does that target?

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[css-d] interesting margins and footer

2005-06-01 Thread dwain

here's the address:
http://www.s108254362.onlinehome.us/index2.html

the css is embedded in the page.

here are the 2 problems:

1.  in ff 1.0.4 and opera 8 there is a margin at the top of the page. 
the margin and padding in the body is 0.  there is a 0 margin and a 
small (.25em) padding on the header.  in ie6 the header abuts the top of 
the page.  why the discrepancy?


2.  in ff and o8 the footer height is wider than the text.  in ie6 the 
footer height is the size of the text.  why the discrepancy?


puzzled,
dwain

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Re: [css-d] -Kick*ss-Browser checks (especially Mac) please

2005-06-01 Thread David Laakso

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:56:18 -0400, BJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://www.kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/

css is at:
http://kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/kickass-spookyblue/style.css


Mac screen captures:
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=167101
Screen shots in XP_SP2 IE6.0 with my *user* style sheet:
text-size medium
http://www.dlaakso.com/medium.jpg
text-size largest
http://www.dlaakso.com/largest.jpg
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Re: [css-d] -Kick*ss-Browser checks (especially Mac) please

2005-06-01 Thread Felix Miata
David Laakso wrote:
 
 On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:56:18 -0400, BJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  http://www.kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/

  css is at:
  http://kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/kickass-spookyblue/style.css
 
 Mac screen captures:
 http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=167101
 Screen shots in XP_SP2 IE6.0 with my *user* style sheet:
 text-size medium
 http://www.dlaakso.com/medium.jpg
 text-size largest
 http://www.dlaakso.com/largest.jpg

With Mozilla and my user stylesheet:
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/Images/wordpress.jpg
Right col definitely too narrow.
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Re: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

2005-06-01 Thread D Ross



.I also can't seem to
understand how to get the divs to stretch as long as the longest  
content.



http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/

To have the image stretch with the content you should use a  
vertically repeating background image in your container. Check this  
article for more info.

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RE: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

2005-06-01 Thread Heather Haggerty
I do have that ... the leather strap on the left is a div with it repeating
vertical same with rightside, different container repeating background
vertically. The content div in the very center of it call also has a
repeating pattern.
 
 

  _  

From: D Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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.I also can't seem to
understand how to get the divs to stretch as long as the longest content.





http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/


To have the image stretch with the content you should use a vertically
repeating background image in your container. Check this article for more
info.
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Re: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

2005-06-01 Thread Al Sparber

From: Heather Haggerty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
http://www.metallicpeach.com/tests/devcw/index2.html .I also can't 
seem to
understand how to get the divs to stretch as long as the longest 
content.

You'll see what I mean if you look at the page in Firefox.


Hi Heather,

The columns technique described in the article linked below might 
prove a lot easier to deploy than faux columns:


http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/

It's another option, in any event ;-)

Al Sparber
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mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that 
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Re: [css-d] interesting margins and footer

2005-06-01 Thread Eric Ladner
The H1 element at the top of the page has a default top margin that's adding 
to the top margin of the top element. 

h1 { margin: 0 } 

That should fix the problem. If you want to move the h1 around, use 
padding-top on the h-text element.

E

On 6/1/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 here's the address:
 http://www.s108254362.onlinehome.us/index2.html
 
 the css is embedded in the page.
 
 here are the 2 problems:
 
 1. in ff 1.0.4 and opera 8 there is a margin at the top of the page.
 the margin and padding in the body is 0. there is a 0 margin and a
 small (.25em) padding on the header. in ie6 the header abuts the top of
 the page. why the discrepancy?
 
 2. in ff and o8 the footer height is wider than the text. in ie6 the
 footer height is the size of the text. why the discrepancy?
 
 puzzled,
 dwain
 
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RE: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

2005-06-01 Thread Heather Haggerty

Yes I seen that page earlier today ... I didn't dload the script as my
client would never go for the column animating downward like that. I
personally think it's pretty nifty and would use it for other
clients/projects. I thought I saw somewhere in my travels some simple
technique for expanding the outer container to contain the inner
containers length, but I can't seem to find the website or email anywhere. 

I might have to give up and go back to tables for this project (deadlines
slowly approaching) .

-Original Message-
From: Al Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: June 1, 2005 6:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

From: Heather Haggerty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
 http://www.metallicpeach.com/tests/devcw/index2.html .I also can't 
 seem to
 understand how to get the divs to stretch as long as the longest 
 content.
 You'll see what I mean if you look at the page in Firefox.

Hi Heather,

The columns technique described in the article linked below might 
prove a lot easier to deploy than faux columns:

http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/

It's another option, in any event ;-)

Al Sparber
PVII
http://www.projectseven.com

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mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that 
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Re: [css-d] Photo caption idea for CSS

2005-06-01 Thread diego nunes
  Reposting this message to list (I sent it in private, wrongly).

   You can give float: left; and some padding to div that contains
the image, and put the p with the caption inside that div. This way,
the caption will always use the same width as the image.
 
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RE: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

2005-06-01 Thread Heather Haggerty
Yup, actually used that technique on a different project and it works fine.
The trouble here is that the middle content - is variable width. I want it
to take up 75% of the browser width to a minimum of 660px.

  _  

From: D Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: June 1, 2005 6:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:15 PM, Heather Haggerty wrote:

I do have that ... the leather strap on the left is a div with it repeating
vertical same with rightside, different container repeating background
vertically. The content div in the very center of it call also has a
repeating pattern.



 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/


To have the image stretch with the content you should use a vertically
repeating background image in your container. Check this article for more
info.




No, not like that - Make one background image with both leather straps on
each side with white space in the middle and place it in your css container
div - then add content to your container div - as you add content the
vertically tiling wide bg image with both straps will tile as content is
added.

Look at that article a little closer.


Actually, i dug up some css where I used this technique

body { 
margin: 0; padding: 0;
font: 100.01%; Lucida Grande, Trebuchet MS, Arial, sans-serif;
color: #000;
text-align: center;
background: #fff url(images/bg.gif) repeat;
}

#wrap { 
position: relative;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
border: 12px solid #fff;
background: #fff url(images/diag_bg.gif) repeat-y 0 0; this is it.
width: 730px; top: 15px;




Here is the page the code comes from if you want more info:
http://vpeventsinc.com/weddings.htm


-David





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RE: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

2005-06-01 Thread Heather Haggerty
You can see the tabled version here http://www.logicnorth.com/cwpaint/
Of course I stopped in mid-devl. because I thought it would be no problem to
do this site using CSS layout ... yikes  wrongo bongo.
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[css-d] semi OT, using css or JS to hide stuff

2005-06-01 Thread Scott Haneda
I have a set of two forms on a page:
billing info and shipping info, there is a checkbox that says make my
shipping info match my billing info.  If that box gets checked, I want to
hide the second form.

I was thinking give it a visibility of none, but how do you trigger
something like this?
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RE: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

2005-06-01 Thread Heather Haggerty

Well - I lot of people that may be looking at the particular page will be
using 800x600 res. If the middle area is set to 760 (or even 700 which is my
preference) the background is missed. Even the variable width of 75%
obscures the background to make it pointless for users browsing at 800x600.

So then if they are browsing at higher res. And width is set to 700 ... It
almost looks lost on the page because there is too much white-space on
either side.

The compromise is the vary the width of only the middle area to a minimum of
660 which is the overlayed header image size. Not the best choice granted,
but one I chose to use in this case.



-Original Message-
From: D Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: June 1, 2005 6:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

Why do you want it variable width? In my opinion it's not nice  
looking. Stick with a width of about 760px and youll be fine and  
it'll look a lot nicer.



 And I want it variable width as well - so I don't think I can use the
 technique described in that particular article.
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Re: [css-d] Kicking and screaming

2005-06-01 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Heather Haggerty [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Page: http://www.metallicpeach.com/tests/devcw/index.html

_In Firefox_, for some reason the last menu item is bumped down when a
paragraph(s) are added to the content div that follows. If there is NO
content in the content div, it works fine ...

#navigation ul {padding-left: 2px;}
#navigation ul li {width: 12.1%;}

I also can't seem to
understand how to get the divs to stretch as long as the longest content.
You'll see what I mean if you look at the page in Firefox.

#wrapper1,
#wrapper2,
#wrapper3,
#contentwrapper {height: auto;}

(you can probably just remove the height property declarations from those 
selectors)

If you need a min-height, use that property.

hth,

~holly 
 
   
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[css-d] Pure CSS Popups IE Problem...

2005-06-01 Thread Les Mizzell

I'm experimenting with the Pure CSS popups idea from myerweb.

Very rough initial test is here:

http://www.happybookseller.com/DEV/events.cfm

CSS: http://www.happybookseller.com/DEV/hb.css

While I've still got a lot of tweaking to do, it works pretty good in 
Firefox and Netscape and I feel it will look pretty nice once I get the 
real graphics in there.


However, doesn't work at all in I.E., though it works in the myerweb 
demo well enough.


So, anybody got an idea what I've got wrong?

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Re: [css-d] using percentages, paragraph too small within tables

2005-06-01 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Felix has moved the core of this discussion to the WWW-style mailing 
list

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Jun/.html
The title of the thread is 'Initial Value'

Some of the messages in that thread contain very good explanations on 
how browser handle the computation of values based on percentages.

This post by Boris Zbarsky is particularly interesting
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Jun/0019.html


Philippe
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Re: [css-d] interesting margins and footer

2005-06-01 Thread Holly Bergevin
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   http://www.s108254362.onlinehome.us/index2.html

2.  in ff and o8 the footer height is wider than the text.  in ie6 the 
footer height is the size of the text.  why the discrepancy?

Default margin on the paragraph element in the footer, ignored/collapsed by IE.

#footer p {margin: 0;}

will make the others behave like IE, assuming that's what you want. Otherwise, 
try specifically setting the margin (or padding, I suppose) values you desire 
for that paragraph.

hth,

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[css-d] Navigation link background images not appearing on page load in Firefox

2005-06-01 Thread Michael Rainey
I am in the midst of a redesign of my blog and I have a most peculiar 
thing happening in Firefox/Windows with my mouseover navigation. I have 
an image set as each link's background that gets re-positioned. When any 
page from the redesign is loaded for the first time in Firefox/Windows, 
the background images for the navigation do not show up, and only do 
after you mouse over them. If the images are cached, then they show up fine.


This does not happen in any other browser, Windows or Mac, but 
Firefox/Windows. I am using the same thing on the current version of my 
blog.


If someone would happen to venture why this is occurring, please let me 
know. This is the only thing I have yet to solve.


Redesign: http://testjml.dyndns.org/
Redesign CSS: http://testjml.dyndns.org/css/headcase.css

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[css-d] IE Bug Related To Absolute Relative Positioning?

2005-06-01 Thread Kelly Miller
Okay, I've written some code to do a popup menu.  But IE seems to think 
that all relatively positioned elements should sit on top of all 
absolutely positioned elements.  I dunno if it's based on code order 
(the menu is after the stuff giving me problems).  It's not z-index; I 
tried that.  Does IE have yet another bug related to it's handling of 
positioning?


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[css-d] Help with text/image replacement

2005-06-01 Thread Matthew Velic
Hello,

I am redesigning my portfolio (from tables to CSS) and have run into a
problem getting rid of some text and replacing it with the background
image.  I have been trying a couple of different techniques to get it to
work in Firefox, but nothing seems to have been working.

http://home.gwu.edu/~mvelic/dccub2/index.html

This is the CSS (sorry about putting it all in, I figured I'd be thorough):

/* Style Sheet for DCcub's Portfolio */

body {
  font-size: 100%;
  font-family: Eurostile, Optima, Arial, sans-serif;
}

p {
  font-size: 1em/1em;
}

a:link, a:active, a:visited {
  color: #BB;
  font-size: 1em/1em;
  text-decoration: none;
}

a:hover {
  color: #BB;
  font-size: 1em/1em;
  text-decoration: underline;
}

li {
  list-style: none;
}

#intro {
  background: #55321A;
  background-image: url(header.gif);
  background-repeat: no-repeat;
  height: 250px;
  width: 100%;
  position: fixed;
  left: 0;
  z-index: 100;
}

#intro span {
  text-indent: -5000;
}

#intro h1, h2 {
  left-indent: -5000px;
}

#welcome {
  width: 450px;
  position: absolute;
  top: 15em;
  left: 300px;
}

#navigation {
  width: 300px;
  position: fixed;
  top: 15em;
  left: 0px;
  color: #BB;
}




Thanks a bunch,

Matt
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Re: [css-d] Photo caption idea for CSS

2005-06-01 Thread Peter Hyde-Smith

Linda Dunn wrote:

Hi all,

I have a page posted here...

http://www.seafoodlab.cmast.ncsu.edu/aboutus.html

...in which I am playing with the idea of making a div with class 
photobox for photos (the black and white one on the left) which will 
contain a photo caption.


This works great so far for this one picture, but the problem is that I 
have to define the width of the div based on the photosize. So, the 
photos will either have to all be the same width, or I'll have to 
creative various photoboxes for various photo sizes.


Is there anyway to have the div stretch automatically to accommodate 
photo size (with the caption underneath, since the img is defined as a 
block level element) that doesn't involve javascript or the like? I 
really like doing the captions this way rather than as part of the 
image, for obvious reasons.


Any help appreciate,

linda



06/01/2005

Hello, Linda:

This is a little bit different than what you are doing, but I have a 
div for each row of photos, a div floated left for each thumb, and 
an h3 contained in the thumb when I need a caption. I had to size the 
thumb div, otherwise my margins go wonky.


The page is here, 
http://webpages.charter.net/angusair/fatpawdesignphotos.html
The css is here, 
http://webpages.charter.net/angusair/fatpawdesignphotocss.css


The pages validate, but the html has not been optimized for 
margins/padding, and the css contains bits of extraneous code


Best Regards,

Peter Hyde-Smith
FF 1.0.4, WinXP Home SP2
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[css-d] navbar IE5PC trouble

2005-06-01 Thread Christy Collins

I have a Navbar at the top of this page:
http://www.iraqproject.org/action/

that is not displaying correctly on IE5 PC - some styles are being 
ignored and it's position is off.  Display seems to be correct on other 
browsers - I am using browsercam for PC and checking on my Mac


There is another peculiar thing that is happening with this navbar - in 
Firefox, the position of the navbar is on top of the title graphic 
until you move the mouse around and then it jumps to the correct 
position.  The same thing seems to be happening on Netscape and Firefox 
on PC but it's hard to tell because I am looking at screen captures


css is here:

http://www.iraqproject.org/base.css

Thanks for looking
-Christy

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