[css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
If you have IE and would care to have a peek at
http://debiansystem.info/about, I'd appreciate it.

The book's cover at the top of the content should float right of the
table. It does not in IE. Can you help me figure out why?

Relevant stylesheets:
  http://debiansystem.info/plone.css
  http://debiansystem.info/debianbook.css

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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread Niek Emmen | Sebastian Webprojecten
The table contaiing the info about the author, publisher etc. has a width of 
100%. IE can't put the image next to it.

Solution: make the table a bit smaller or make a third column (rowspan=11) 
containing the book's cover.

Good luck!


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Re: [css-d] why width:100% in nested div corner technique

2005-06-22 Thread Bob Easton

Elly wrote:
I'm using a rounded corners technique of nested divs, based on the  
redmelon demo at:

http://redmelon.net/tstme/4corners/ (thanks!).

My demo is here (css embedded):
http://echozone.com/private/corners/

I have not been able to figure out why - width: 100% - commented out  in 
my demo, is used for those divs containing the images. I've  searched 
for what I assumed was a browser bug fix + found nothing.


Without the - width: 100% - this is tested successfully on Mac:  Safari, 
FireFox, Moz, IE 5. - Win IE6, IE5.5, IE5.01, FireFox, Opera.


Can anyone tell me why I would want to add that - width: 100% - ?


Douglas (remelon) included an email address directly on the page you 
referenced.  Why not ask him why he included the 100%?  Whenever 
possible, go to the source, especially when he makes it so easy.


The rest of us would be guessing (albeit experienced quessing).

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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread Ingo Chao

martin f krafft schrieb:

http://debiansystem.info/about

The book's cover at the top of the content should float right of the
table. It does not in IE. 



Same problem in Opera8 btw.

The book does float right, but the following table don't flow at its 
left side.


Another workaround might be to absolutely position the image

#section-aboutfolder-book {position:relative;} /* containing block */

#about-cover { ... /*float: right*/ ... top:3em; right:0; 
position:absolute;}



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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.06.22.1306 +0200]:
 Mh, I am trying hard to stay away from absolute positioning. It has
 a bad taste in my mouth, and I don't think it's supported well
 enough either. I'd be happy to be shown wrong. :)
 
 That would be a strong argument against using floats.

Yeah, looks like it. Damn.

But if you look at http://debiansystem.info -- it's all based on
floats. Why does it not work in this one case???

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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread Ingo Chao

martin f krafft schrieb:

also sprach Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.06.22.1306 +0200]:


Mh, I am trying hard to stay away from absolute positioning. It has
a bad taste in my mouth, and I don't think it's supported well
enough either. I'd be happy to be shown wrong. :)


That would be a strong argument against using floats.



Yeah, looks like it. Damn.

But if you look at http://debiansystem.info -- it's all based on
floats. Why does it not work in this one case???



If hadn't a look, how, do you think, could I ever suggest a fix? My 
cristal ball comes into play when, as often, no URL is provided.


You might want to find this bugzilla entry interesting:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14984
compare the third attachment. And look at the date the bug was reported.

As mentioned by Niek, the table shall not overflow the float the right 
float.

And its in the specs
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#floats

The margin box of a table, a block-level replaced element, or an 
element in the normal flow that establishes a new block formatting 
context (such as an element with 'overflow' other than 'visible') must 
not overlap any floats in the same block formatting context as the 
element itself.


Firefox is _wrong_ , Opera is right, and IE does not know how to handle 
floats at all, and in this time, it looks like as if IE is right, but 
thats not method, but chance. ;)


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Re: [css-d] IE Problem w/ 3 Columns

2005-06-22 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater

jimmy wrote:

I am having a problem in IE6 on XP with a 3 column layout.  The left 
column contains thumbnail images, and sometimes it shows up under the 
text in the center column, and sometimes it shows properly in the left 
column. I can keep clicking on the page refresh and it will move back 
and forth.


Naturally it works fine in FF... and seems to be ok in Opera, although 
I haven't thoroughly checked it there yet!!  Both the html  css 
validate.


http://www.kblevinsinvestments.com/Properties/Properties.php?r=913



Jimmy,

I don't see this happening either (IE6, XP, SP2).  If you are still 
seeing it, is there anything else you can tell us about your setup?  
What size window are you running at?  What text size are you using?  Etc.


Zoe

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[css-d] menu background

2005-06-22 Thread landry Karege
Very new to the magic if CSS, i have been reading quite Eric Meyer books and 
proud to say that they have been really helpfull, the guy is the Pope of 
CSS, Bless him!

Well my post isn't on praising Eric only but i have trouble here that i want 
to share with u and see if you can gvet me any answers. i have built my 
first site with CSS and it looks i little bit fine tho there still some bits 
that i needs to sort out before continuing.


i have created a DIV drop down menu which has a background image, now i'm 
having trouble coz i want this image to change each time that i change the 
page(8 linx menu, will have to create 8 CSS with different 
background-image; 
i tried to bring this ( backgr image) at the HTML but the menu keeps coming 
after the image.

Another question is on the border, i have given by container a border, in IE 
it shows fine but in FF, it doesnt box all DIVS how do i sort our that
CSS

div#nav {width: 95.1%; margin-top:0; padding-left:45px;padding-top:120px; 
background-image:url('menubg_tree.jpg');height:280px; text-align: left;}
htmlbody div#nav {margin-top:2.47em;}
div#nav ul{margin:0; padding:0; width:17em; background:transparent;}
div#nav ul{margin:0; padding:0; width:17em; background:transparent;}
div#nav li{position:relative; list-style:none; margin:0; border-bottom: 1px 
solid #ccc; 
blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablabla


#container{
width:899px;
background: #F4ECD9;
border:7px solid black;
text-align: center;
margin:0 auto;}

Any link where i could find answer, or if someone can assist would be 
appreciated.



landrik
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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater

Ingo Chao wrote:


martin f krafft schrieb:


But if you look at http://debiansystem.info -- it's all based on
floats. Why does it not work in this one case???



You might want to find this bugzilla entry interesting:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14984
compare the third attachment. And look at the date the bug was reported.

As mentioned by Niek, the table shall not overflow the float the right 
float.

And its in the specs
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#floats

The margin box of a table, a block-level replaced element, or an 
element in the normal flow that establishes a new block formatting 
context (such as an element with 'overflow' other than 'visible') must 
not overlap any floats in the same block formatting context as the 
element itself.


Firefox is _wrong_ , Opera is right, and IE does not know how to 
handle floats at all, and in this time, it looks like as if IE is 
right, but thats not method, but chance. ;)



As Ingo said, the reason that this is happening is because FF is 
actually wrong in this case.  Floats shouldn't overlap tables.


But another solution, if you don't want to use absolute positioning, 
would be to move the image into the table cell and just float it from 
within there.  I can't say I've ever played around with floats inside 
table cells (only use tables for data nowadays, and haven't had a need 
for floated data), so this method may have its own quirks.  Worth a try 
at least.  Let us know what you find either way.


Zoe

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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread Bruno Fassino
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

 Firefox, Safari and IE Mac all display your image next to table, the
 way you expect it.

According to what Ingo said before, this means that Gecko, Safari,
IE Mac all share the same wrong behaviour.
What is really strange in Safari is that it seems to display this behaviour
only in some conditions. Look at these very simple test cases:
[1]  A red table, width 300px, is beside a green float. If you reduce the
window enough the whole red table drops down, below the float. This seems a
correct behaviour.
[2], [3]   Here the table has either no specified width, or a percentage
width.  Now when you reduce the window width the float overlaps the table
and its content, which doesn't seem correct.

(btw, in iCab the float overlaps the table in all three cases, like in
Gecko.)

Bruno

[1] http://www.brunildo.org/test/FFtabl.html
[2] http://www.brunildo.org/test/FFtabl1.html
[3] http://www.brunildo.org/test/FFtabl2.html


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[css-d] Three columns layer

2005-06-22 Thread Augusto Murri
Hi all, 
i've a problem to create a simple BOX tableless browsing it in firefox!! This 
is the simple code: 

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;  
head 
style type=text/css 
!-- 
div.box { 
position:absolute; 
} 
div.middle { 
width: 239px; 
background-image: url(middle.gif); 
background-repeat: repeat-y; 
} 
div.title { 
width: 207px; 
height: 47px; 
float: left; 
background-image: url(top-1.gif); 
background-position: top left; 
background-repeat: no-repeat; 
padding: 7px 7px 7px 9px; 
} 
div.container { 
width: 221px; 
float: left; 
} 
div.down { 
float: left; 
} 
div.close { 
float: right; 
} 
div.bottom { 
background-image: url(bottom.gif); 
background-position: bottom left; 
background-repeat: no-repeat; 
padding: 30px 30px 30px 15px; 
} 



span.title { 
color: #979797; 
font: bold 16px Tahoma; 
} 
span.abstract { 
color: #979797; 
font: bold 11px Tahoma; 
} 

p.text { 
color: #7D7D7D; 
font: 11px Tahoma; 
} 

img { border: 0px; } 
-- 
/style 
/head 
body 

div class=box id=boxTest 
div class=middle 

div class=container 
div class=titlespan class=abstractBAzAr Window/span/div 
div class=downa href=# onClick=down('boxTest')img src=top-down.gif 
width=14 height=46 alt=ok //a/div 
/div 

div class=closea href=javascript:close('boxTest');img 
src=top-close.gif width=18 height=46 alt=ok //a/div 

div class=bottom id=boxTest2_bottom 
pspan class=titleTitolo di prova/spanbr /span class=abstractOn 
line il nuovo sito bazar/spanp 
p class=textPotrebbe essere la chiave perfetta dell'integrazione fra i 
diversamente abili ed il pc. Se così sarà lo scopriremo solo fra qualche tempo. 
Per ora, FaceMouse fa sognare moltissime persone per le quali far muovere il 
puntatore sullo schermo è un'impresa impossibile. È la bella storia di Simone 
Soria, 24 anni, modenese, fresco laureato in Ingegneria -lo scorso 17 febbraio- 
con una tesi che illustra questo innovativo progetto destinato alla produzione 
in serie./p 
/div 

/div 
/div 

/body 
/html 

u can see the code in action at 

http://www.opent.it/romacinema/test/index2.html 

some one know why i can't show it well in firefox!?!

Thx a lot!
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[css-d] CSS rollOver/swapImage problem

2005-06-22 Thread Geoffrey Alan Colbath
Hello,

I'm trying to implement a CSS-driven rollOver/swapImage effect, and it
works fine in browsers such as FF and Mozilla, but not in IE. I followed
the turorial available here:
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html and I viewed in
in IE 6.0.2900...etc..., where it worked fine.

The URL for the page I'm developing is:
http://id.iit.edu/~colbath/stuff/ExternalSiteRedux/Geoff/1.2.1.html

The CSS I'm using to achieve this feat is:

div.divRedBox a img.hidden {
height: 0;
width: 0;
border-width: 0;
}

and:

div.divRedBox a:hover img.hidden {
height: 140px;
width: 140px;
position: absolute;
top: 15px;
left: 413px;
}

I checked on the tutorial page, and there was no mention of a fix for
IE, and I viewed the code, and there were no hacks to make it work in
IE... at least none that I recognized.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

-=gc=-
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Re: [css-d] CSS rollOver/swapImage problem

2005-06-22 Thread Ingo Chao

Geoffrey Alan Colbath schrieb:


http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html and I viewed in
in IE 6.0.2900...etc..., where it worked fine.

The URL for the page I'm developing is:
http://id.iit.edu/~colbath/stuff/ExternalSiteRedux/Geoff/1.2.1.html


div.divRedBox a img.hidden {

...

}
div.divRedBox a:hover img.hidden {

...

}




I checked on the tutorial page, and there was no mention of a fix for
IE, and I viewed the code, and there were no hacks to make it work in
IE... at least none that I recognized.


Geoffrey,

note that in the tutorial, there is this line

div#links a:hover {color: #411; background: #AAA;
   border-right: 5px double white;}

Eric fixes the IE bug implicitely by declaring a hover-transition with a 
background's (and border, and color) change.


Now IE knows that there is something going on on hover, and will look 
further if there is something ahead (IE will reflow = redraw the 
container on such a hover transition, and have to look what else is to 
be changed, I guess)


So you'll have to build your own dummy declaration

div.divRedBox a:hover {background-position: 0 0;}

Looks silly, but works, because it's a change (to IE).



btw. note that this is answered here and there on this list. Google the 
archives with the term:


keyword keyword phrase site:archivist.incutio.com

Ingo

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RE: [css-d] li:hover does not work in IE

2005-06-22 Thread Dennis Bixler
You are going to hear this from a lot of people.  The :hover pseudo
class only work with the a tags in IE.

You can achieve the same results using the :hover on the anchor instead
of the list.  List-o-matic will generate the code, don't have think
right off hand but it is in the wiki.

Dennis Bixler
IT Manager, Web Master
Lashen Electronics, Inc.
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Subject: [css-d] li:hover does not work in IE

Hello,

I'm trying to use the :hover pseudo element for a list, and it works 
great in Firefox and Safari but not at all in IE (all Macintosh). Is 
there a trick to getting the :hover element to work in Explorer?

http://inventionshow.com/development/layout.html

Thanks,

Saul Straussman

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[css-d] Site Checks: Two Web Sites (Ekon Interchange)

2005-06-22 Thread Jason Gennaro, JJPG Communications

Hi All:

I am just completing work on two new Web sites and would appreciate a
site check on either or both.  Any Mac info is also welcome, as I don't
have access to a Mac.

Site #1: 
http://www.ekon.ca/concept.php (Home)
http://www.ekon.ca/Styles/ekon2.css (Stylesheet)

Site #2: 
http://www.theinterchange.net/indexxyz.php (Home)
http://www.theinterchange.net/Styles/interchange.css (Stylesheet)

*Fyi.. on site #2, the homepage is set off to the left instead of
centered.  I know how to fix this, I just haven't got there yet.

Please copy me on your e-mails, as I am on the digest.

Thanks, 
Jason 
jason @ jjpg.com 
www.jjpg.com
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[css-d] Re: width and float problem on Mac

2005-06-22 Thread lessard

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

 I can not see your site, as it appears to be behind a login screen.

Oups! Sorry! The address I gave you was hidden this morning. Here is the
public site: www.chss.uqam.ca

Wild guess based on your code snippets:
http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/float2misc/#fm002

Yep, that seems to be the problem. Thanx for the pointer.

I wouldn't worry much about Netscape 6, that is a very old browser that 
isn't used anymore.

Unfortunately, my client still uses N6 and IE Mac, as many people do
around here :-(

 #banniere span {
   height: 1%;
 }
This one snippet might give problems in IE Mac (having the box collapse 
to a height of 0).

That's weird, I thought this was a fix for IE... I'll test without it.

 When WILL they make browsers W3C compliant? :-(
Good question, although the problems you mention are in very old 
browsers. One isn't used anymore; the other one (IE Mac), although 
still widely used (esp on older Macs), isn't developed anymore. It was 
widely ahead of the pack when it was released, more than 6 years ago.

You're right! I should say: When WILL everybody use up-to-date
W3C-compliant browsers? :-) (..answer: probably never...)

Thanks for everything. If you have any idea what could be affecting the
top banner in both N6 and IE Mac, I'd sure like to know!

Lysanne
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[css-d] semantics of website header

2005-06-22 Thread riquez

Hi,

When creating a website header with the site logo, there are various  
methods  I often wonder which is the best - or most semantically  
correct way. Basically my goal is to provide the best SEO   
Accessible method.


The 3 ways I would consider are:
• Header bar as a background graphic that includes the logo in the  
background and a h1website.com/h1 positioned off the page.
• Header with a background  a logo as a normal graphic with alt  
attribute.
• Header with a background  a logo as a normal graphic with alt  
attribute  also a h1website.com/h1 positioned off the page.


What thoughts are there on this?

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Re: [css-d] semantics of website header

2005-06-22 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When creating a website header with the site logo, there are various  
methods  I often wonder which is the best - or most semantically  
correct way. Basically my goal is to provide the best SEO   
Accessible method.



As you stated yourself, this is not a CSS question, it is a markup, SEO, 
and accessibility question.  I would ask list members to please respond 
off-list, unless there are CSS advantages or disadvantages to the 
scenarios Riquez described.


Thanks,
Zoe Gillenwater
css-d list moderator

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[css-d] Impossible nested list item problem

2005-06-22 Thread Scott Blanchard

I'm attempting to create an accordion style menu using nested list items.
However, I want each list item to indent properly, but at the same time, I
want the element's background to span the entire width of the root UL
element.

For example, in this URL:
http://v5.octane8.com/expandoTestListItems/default.aspx?id=7
Thanks! 
Scott

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Re: [css-d] li:hover does not work in IE

2005-06-22 Thread saul
Thank you to everyone for the assist. I'm working on a couple of the 
suggestions.

Saul

On Jun 22, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Justin Smith wrote:


saul wrote:


Hello,

I'm trying to use the :hover pseudo element for a list, and it works 
great in Firefox and Safari but not at all in IE (all Macintosh). Is 
there a trick to getting the :hover element to work in Explorer?


If you're not concerned with having 100% valid css, you can use the 
proprietary IE 'behavior' property to emulate the :hover pseudoclass.  
There's a good tutorial on how to do just that here:


http://www.vladdy.net/Demos/IEPseudoClassesFix.html
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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.06.22.1433 +0200]:
 You have a width defined static object to be placed next to
 a floated object.

Yeah, this is precisely the problem.

 Have you tried deleting the width declaration from the table ?

I didn't put it there. I was using a wysiwyg editor, which put it
there. That bastard. Now it works as expected in FF, Opera 7, and
Konqueror. 

 (hmm that very long url might still cause problems.)

nothing I can't solve... URL removed. Ah, if all things in life were
that easy.

 BTW, the Euro symbol displays incorrectly on all Mac browsers, you 
 might try with the entity instead (#8364;) - I think it is a problem 
 with the Bitstream fonts. I had problem with other special characters 
 and that font.

Fixed. Now using euro;, which should work. Can you confirm?

Thanks to everyone who answered!

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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.06.22.1427 +0200]:
 ol#section-selectors-aboutfolder can not wrap on narrow windows - below
 1024px or so.

Yeah, I see this problem.

I wonder though: I've added a white-space: normal !important; to
ol.section-selectors, which is just being ignored. Damn!

 Further corrections to your styles depends on which browser you
 are using as reference, as none of them treats that page all that
 well.

I am using FF and checking against Konqueror and Opera 7.

 It also depends on how narrow a browser-width that page is
 supposed to hold its own.

I don't know, but I'd guess 1024 could be assumed standard these
days. I would not mind supporting 800 reasonably well.

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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh


On 23 Jun 2005, at 7:56 am, martin f krafft wrote:


I didn't put it there. I was using a wysiwyg editor, which put it
there. That bastard. Now it works as expected in FF, Opera 7, and
Konqueror.


(hmm that very long url might still cause problems.)


nothing I can't solve... URL removed. Ah, if all things in life were
that easy.


LOL



BTW, the Euro symbol displays incorrectly on all Mac browsers, you
might try with the entity instead (#8364;) - I think it is a problem
with the Bitstream fonts. I had problem with other special characters
and that font.


Fixed. Now using euro;, which should work. Can you confirm?


Unfortunately, it didn't fix that. There seem to be a problem with the 
Bitstream Vera font.

Or maybe I'm having an older version.
I'm not sure how widespread the Bitstream font is on OS X.
You might start your body {font-family:} with 'Lucida Grande', 
which is the default OS X, and looks very similar to 'lucida' on Linux 
or 'Lucida Sans Unicode' on Windoze.


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Re: [css-d] [IE] does not float

2005-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.06.23.0318 +0200]:
 Unfortunately, it didn't fix that. There seem to be a problem with
 the Bitstream Vera font.

Allow me to say that I do find it ironic that the only browsers
which does not show euro; in this case are the Mac ones, when Mac
OS X is probably the most Unicode-friendly system out there right
now. :)

 Or maybe I'm having an older version. I'm not sure how widespread
 the Bitstream font is on OS X. You might start your body
 {font-family:} with 'Lucida Grande', which is the default OS
 X, and looks very similar to 'lucida' on Linux or 'Lucida Sans
 Unicode' on Windoze.

But that would give Lucida Grande a preference. I'll consider it.

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[css-d] hr /not showing in FF

2005-06-22 Thread Arnie Shafer
Could someone please tell me why the hr's are not showing in FF.  Here is the 
css code I am using:

div #container #main-text hr { 
color: #003300; 
background-color: #003300; 
height: 2px;} 

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RE: [css-d] hr /not showing in FF

2005-06-22 Thread Peter Williams
 From: Arnie Shafer
 
 Could someone please tell me why the hr's are not showing in 
 FF.  Here is the css code I am using:
 
 div #container #main-text hr { 
 color: #003300; 
 background-color: #003300; 
 height: 2px;} 
 

I used your css and this markup:
div
div id=container
pContainer div./p
div id=main-text
pMain text div stuff./p
pA hr should be under this para./p
hr /
pAnother hr should follow this para./p
hr
/div
/div
/div

I saw coloured hr's in IE 6 and FF 1.0.4
Although I made them 20px  red so it was easier to see what was happening.

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