Re: [css-d] floating image question

2005-10-30 Thread Big John
Carol F. Swinehart wrote:

 http://www.controlledairsystems.com/test/
 
 This css is working, but I now want to make the banner narrower by 
 making the left picture smaller and floating the full size of the right 
 picture over the edge of the banner so it hangs down.

I assume you mean in IE, but you didn't say so. if the container
the float resides in is given a width or height, it will aquire
layout in IE and will then contain any float.

To prevent this, you need to avoid giving that container layout,
which means not using a width or height.

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Re: [css-d] IE layout issue - float problem possibly?

2005-10-30 Thread Big John
Jeff D. Chastain wrote:

 I am having problems with a layout design in IE.  Everything works fine in
 FireFox and Opera, but IE as usual is the problem child.  Once it is
 stripped down, the layout is a basic 2 column layout with the left panel set
 at 210px and floated left and the right panel set with a left margin of 210
 px.  The two panels work just fine and line up next to each other without
 issue.  However, in IE, the content in the right panel (not the panel
 itself) gets skewed.
 http://www.admentus.com/prototype/administration/account/suppContacts.cfm

This explains your main problem:

http://nemesis1.f2o.org/aarchive?id=11

I don't have time to track down the shorter grey bar, 
issue, but try using this method:

http://positioniseverything.net/articles/mys-bug.html

Big John



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[css-d] How can I center this menu:

2005-10-30 Thread Michael Hulse
Hello all,

I have been having a heck of a time trying to figure out the best way 
to center this menu:

http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/phantom-links/inline-block_list.php

The above menu works nicely in IE5 mac (avoids phantom links), 
Safari/Mac, Firefox/Mac, IE 5.5+/PC

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  :D

Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] Cree9.dk site check again

2005-10-30 Thread Mette Haahr
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Subject: Re: [css-d] Cree9.dk site check again


 Mette Haahr wrote:

 Now I just have a feeling that it is a boring design, but I guess it will
feel like that, when you've been staring at the same design for weeks:o)
 The URL is here: http://www.cree8.dk/oktober/ny/c.shtml
 The css:
 http://www.cree8.dk/oktober/ny/ddmand.css
 
 It is not a boring design-- creative, and nice use of color. I have the
 feeling you are designing for yourself and IE. Design for your users.
 They will do outrageous things. For example: your content is difficult
 for me to read at 1280. The first zoom click in FF shoots the the text
 right out the bottom of the layout. Rule of thumb is code for good
 browsers, and hack IE. Have you tried centering the page horizontally?
 Best,
 ~dL

When I first started out, I chose a fixed layout, but then I switched to a
flexible layout, that would be readable in low resolutions without
scrollbars and not break in higher resoultions. I was definitely designing
for users - I also checked the effects on userdefined text sixes in the
three different browses I have available. However - Missed the zoom in 1280
in Firefox.
The layout should be flexible, but how come the text drops out of the
wrapper??

I really am trying to design for users, everything else would be silly.
However it is really difficult to make a bulletproof design for alle the
variable insane things the users will do. Especially since browsers
interpret css in many different ways.

Any ideas on how to fix the problem?
Thanks:o)

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Re: [css-d] Font enlarger button

2005-10-30 Thread Christian Heilmann
 You may have seen on some sites a couple of small buttons. One
 enlarges text and one makes it smaller. I'd like to incorporate this
 into my website but havent found any tutorials discussing it. Was
 also thinking about having a style sheet switcher but not sure how to
 do it as well.

 Anyone know of any tutorials for these?

Most of these are pretty useless as they simulate browser functionality.

I have done one in the long long ago:
http://www.onlinetools.org/tools/easydynfont.php

A cleverer way is to put that on the server side:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/phpswitch/

Or offer a view that _really_ helps low vision users:

http://www.joeclark.org/access/webaccess/zoom/


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[css-d] is this a tabular data?

2005-10-30 Thread Jad Madi
guys, what do you think if this kind of organizing data
http://easyhttp.net/files/1.pdf   - 17KB
is it tabular data? or a list?




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Re: [css-d] floating image question

2005-10-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Carol F. Swinehart wrote:
 http://www.controlledairsystems.com/test/
 
 This css is working, but I now want to make the banner narrower by 
 making the left picture smaller and floating the full size of the
 right picture over the edge of the banner so it hangs down.

For a start: set that class=leftone on the image at the left side.

Corrected CSS:
#banner {
text-align: left;
margin-top: 0;
background-color: #EEEADF;
color: #003BB4;
font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
height:160px;
padding-top: 1px;

}
#banner img.leftone
{
float: left;
margin: -1px 0 -30px 0;
}

#banner img.imgabsolute{
z-index: 5;
float: right;
position: relative;
margin: -1px 0 -30px 0;
}


#banner h1
{
text-align: center;
  color: #003BB4;
  background-color: transparent;
  font-size: 18px;
  margin-top: 0;/* or what you like */
}
...is tested, and working as you want in IE6, Opera, Safari and Firefox.

Those negative margin-bottom on floating images make it possible to hang
them over the edge in IE/win - regardless of its layout-mess.
Position: relative and a suitable z-index makes the right image visible
all the way.

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Re: [css-d] is this a tabular data?

2005-10-30 Thread David Dorward
On 30/10/05, Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 guys, what do you think if this kind of organizing data
 http://easyhttp.net/files/1.pdf   - 17KB
 is it tabular data? or a list?

Tabular.

Quickly thrown together example. Only tested in Firefox, I suspect it
will break horribly in IE.
http://dorward.me.uk/tmp/tabular.html

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[css-d] drop shadows

2005-10-30 Thread Bala Clark
hi,

This is a pretty newbie question so please bear with me. I am styling
a blog using css (duh), its going pretty well so far, but I can't
figure out how to add drop shadows to the edges of the divs. I'm not
sure if I can edit much of the structure of the page (I'm using
blogger). Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

my page: test.btswami.com/blog.html
what I want to acheive: http://test.btswami.com/blog-layout2.png

thanks in advance

regards,
Bala Clark
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[css-d] IE Problem

2005-10-30 Thread Chris Edwards
Dear CSS Discuss

I am sure this has been covered before but after many attempts to try 
and fix I now seek help.

http://www.viewnewmedia.com/newid/english/home.php is the page in 
question. It displays as it should in Firefox but IE doesnt play ball. 
The header height is expanded - not sure if it is a height issue or a 
margin issue..

I may have missed something really obvious here but any pointers are 
much appreciated.

Thanks
Chris




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Re: [css-d] drop shadows

2005-10-30 Thread David Laakso
Bala Clark wrote:

 I can't
figure out how to add drop shadows to the edges of the divs. 
my page: test.btswami.com/blog.html
what I want to acheive: http://test.btswami.com/blog-layout2.png
Bala Clark

  

Bala,
This is one method for creating drop shadows for divisions:
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/shadow.html
Best,
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[css-d] One final problem cree8.dk

2005-10-30 Thread Mette Haahr
Again, thanks for all your help.

It seems I have one final problem, that I can't find a solution to in spite of 
googling for hours on end.

http://www.cree8.dk/oktober/ny/c.shtml
http://www.cree8.dk/oktober/ny/ddmand.css

When I enlarge text size in Firefox, the text in my content div bleeds down 
over my footer and beyond. IE does what is is supposed to (!).
Why does it do that and how can I fix it?

Thanks in advance
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Re: [css-d] IE Problem

2005-10-30 Thread Michael ORourke
Remove - background-color : #FF; - from #container.

Michael

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Subject: [css-d] IE Problem


 Dear CSS Discuss

 I am sure this has been covered before but after many attempts to try
 and fix I now seek help.

 http://www.viewnewmedia.com/newid/english/home.php is the page in
 question. It displays as it should in Firefox but IE doesnt play ball.
 The header height is expanded - not sure if it is a height issue or a
 margin issue..

 I may have missed something really obvious here but any pointers are
 much appreciated.

 Thanks
 Chris




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Re: [css-d] One final problem cree8.dk

2005-10-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mette Haahr wrote:
 http://www.cree8.dk/oktober/ny/c.shtml

 When I enlarge text size in Firefox, the text in my content div
 bleeds down over my footer and beyond. IE does what is is supposed to
 (!). Why does it do that and how can I fix it?

Correct content-container to look exactly like this:
#content {
padding:20px;
background-color: #F0EFD1;
border-right-style: dotted;
border-right-width: 2px;
border-right-color: #9A;
display: table;
}

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Re: [css-d] One final problem cree8.dk

2005-10-30 Thread Mette Haahr
 Correct content-container to look exactly like this:
 #content {
 padding:20px;
 background-color: #F0EFD1;
 border-right-style: dotted;
 border-right-width: 2px;
 border-right-color: #9A;
 display: table;
 }

 regards
 Georg

WOW! It works!!!
Thank you! Now, why does it work?:o)
It seems I have finally achieved a good flexible layout, and I could not
have done any of this without you :o)


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Re: [css-d] IE layout issue - float problem possibly?

2005-10-30 Thread Jeff D. Chastain

Big John -

Thanks.  It turned out to be the 100% width inside of the float that was
causing the problem.  The Holly Hack took care of both issues.

Thanks again,
-- Jeff
 

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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:40 AM
To: Jeff D. Chastain; css-discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] IE layout issue - float problem possibly?

Jeff D. Chastain wrote:

 I am having problems with a layout design in IE.  Everything works 
 fine in FireFox and Opera, but IE as usual is the problem child.  Once 
 it is stripped down, the layout is a basic 2 column layout with the 
 left panel set at 210px and floated left and the right panel set with 
 a left margin of 210 px.  The two panels work just fine and line up 
 next to each other without issue.  However, in IE, the content in the 
 right panel (not the panel
 itself) gets skewed.
 http://www.admentus.com/prototype/administration/account/suppContacts.
 cfm

This explains your main problem:

http://nemesis1.f2o.org/aarchive?id=11

I don't have time to track down the shorter grey bar, issue, but try using
this method:

http://positioniseverything.net/articles/mys-bug.html

Big John



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[css-d] CSS Rendering in Flock

2005-10-30 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Dear All:

I've just installed Flock 0.49[4], a browser which is based off 
Firefox[5]. It implements it's various features fairly slickly, but I 
really wanted to see whether there were significant rendering 
differences between Flock and Firefox.

I've created some screenshots of the Acid 2 test - here is Firefox [1], 
and Flock[2].
As you can see, there is a small ~2px gap in FF, which does not appear 
in Flock.

Furthermore, a quick check on one of my recent sites, shows a problem on 
this page[3]. The background image, sticks to the top of the viewport, 
rather than moving down, as Firefox does. I noticed this in Opera as well.

I'm sure these are merely differences in which stable version of FF 
Flock is based off - I don't know if any of the Flock developers are on 
this list - John Hicks? - but I haven't been able to find this information.

 From the Flock FAQ:
We are building on top of the Mozilla platform, which we believe to be a 
very secure foundation.

This is about all the information I have been able to find. Anymore 
ideas, any more ways to perform tests? Should we not be worried about a 
preview release browser?

I hope this is not too off-topic.

Thanks - I look forward to the responses.
Rahul.


[1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/57505037/
[2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/57505074/
[3] http://elasticjohn.com/music/

[4] Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) 
Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7
[5] Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b5) 
Gecko/20051021 Flock/0.4 Firefox/1.0+
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[css-d] another margin problem?(IE) - mac users plz sitecheck

2005-10-30 Thread Lowen Fan
Hi everyone,

My first site with CSS. So i'm still pretty new and I'm sure i made some
mistakes.. perhaps there are better ways doing it, any suggestion is
welcome!
(Also still don't know what do with the 'gallery' link, but this is a CSS
mailling list...)

Now my problem is in IE you see like 20 or more pixels to the margin(i
think?) of the #container, the image is not lining up with the redish
background,
and it does in Firefox.

sry for the popup from the free host.

the site is here:
http://e.domaindlx.com/lowenf/lj/index.html
CSS file is here:
http://e.domaindlx.com/lowenf/lj/style.css

hope anyone can help me out here!

gr,
Lowen
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Re: [css-d] How can I center this menu:

2005-10-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Michael Hulse wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I have been having a heck of a time trying to figure out the best way
 to center this menu:
 
 http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/phantom-links/inline-block_list.php

Try this:
1. Do not float the UL,
2. Give the UL a width in em (just enough so list items do not wrap),
3. Set the margin to 0 auto

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[css-d] site check

2005-10-30 Thread Bala Clark
hi,

Earlier I asked for help with getting drop shows on my blog, I've
solved that problem now and would appreciate some feedback on the
design. I've simply modified one of the defaut blogger.com stylesheets
with my own css. Right now it seems a little too blue, any other
opinions?

heres the url: http://nandasunu.blogspot.com/

thanks.

Bala Clark
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Re: [css-d] background color warnings

2005-10-30 Thread Michael Nixon
Don't sweat the questions as they're good ones.

The warnings about colors there are simply warnings as you already know.
They're simply saying, 'hey, you're only setting {colour/background 
colour}. If you
inhereit the {background colour/colour} from an ancestor and it's the 
SAME colour,
or simply a hideously contrasting one, things will go snafu.

So it's just a way of getting you to think about your design scheme.

The selectors you mention are different:

  div#summary p

  #summary p

  p#summary


The first is: a p within a div with the id of summary.
The second is: a p within anything with an id of summary.
The last is any p with an id of summary.

Since both p and div are block level, I leave it up to you to think about
why Eric Meyer wouldn't bother with an extraneous div tag.

-Michael

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I get the following warningsa about background color:

   *   Line : 42 (Level : 1) You have no color with your 
background-color : div#utilnav
   *   Line : 78 (Level : 1) You have no color with your 
background-color : div#sidebar
   *   Line : 92 (Level : 1) You have no background-color 
with your color : #profile
   *   Line : 92 (Level : 1) You have no background-color 
with your color : #profile
   *   Line : 161 (Level : 1) You have no background-color 
with your color : a:link
   *   Line : 165 (Level : 1) You have no background-color 
with your color : a:visited
   *   Line : 169 (Level : 1) You have no background-color 
with your color : a:hover

etc etc etc etc...it goes on...

Am I doing something wrong in the CSS that can be easily fixed, or do 
I need to specify the background color explicitly in each style 
mentioned?

The CSS is at http://www.wildscaping.com/stylesheets/ws_stylesheet3.css

---
Also, is there any difference between

  div#summary p

  #summary p

  p#summary

I noticed Eric Meyer was using the 3rd option (p#summary) in a 
tutorial, and I'd never seen it done this way.
  

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[css-d] site check please - Ekstasis.net

2005-10-30 Thread Bob Smith
SiteCheckPlease

CheckEkstasis
 http://ekstasis.net/ http://www.ekstasis.net/

I'm trying to learn CSS and would really appreciate a site check.

I've validated xhtmlcss + links.


Any tips for fixing the following would be most handy:
On the index page:
1. I cannot get a flash movie to position correctly on the horizontal in
Firefox which is positioned as a list item within a 'expanding 'menu' box'
(similar to [TheManInBlue]) within a (white) box within an elastic central
container section. Only the (white) box and the expanding 'menu' box has
padding.
2. The scrollbar in the small lower scrolling box does not work in Firefox
unless you nudge it up with the top arrow then move the bar down.
On other pages:
3. I cannot get Eric's 'box-punch' cut-outs which house the icon for
external/internal links to position correctly on the vertical in Firefox.
I've included them as classes within un-ordered list items on most pages.
In the My blog section (in My sources area - see jar menu):
4. I cannot get the positioningiseverything geckofix layout to work with the
456 BereaSt flexible custom corners in IE. I'd also like to fix the
horizontal menu to the right hand side of the screen.

I've created the site to help me develop my skills and maybe get a better
job.
Many thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] IE6 border color change on refresh

2005-10-30 Thread Kara Taylor
Hi Big John,

On Oct 29, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Big John wrote:

 http://coawfl.appriver.com/press-room.asp
 IE's way of dealing with lists can be incredibly bizarre, but
 I bet that giving the links the same width as the LI's might
 solve the problem, altho it also might cause changes in spacing.

Thanks for looking at this.  Adding width to the links didn't change 
the spacing, but it didn't seem to fix the problem - I'm still seeing 
the weird borders on refresh.  Any other thoughts as to why this might 
be happening or how it could be fixed?

Thanks!
Kara

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[css-d] Strange line appearing in IE6

2005-10-30 Thread Paul Pollock
All:

I have a line (a graphic) that appears in IE6.0, at a site I'm  
developing at:

http://dsctest.com/test2/index.php

The CSS file is at:

http://dsctest.com/test2/style.css

There is a background image (http://dsctest.com/test2/images/ 
menu_bckgnd-1.gif) which seems to be leaking below the menus. I've  
tried whatever I can think of, such as changing the background image  
size and {background-repeat: repeat-y} to no avail. It all looks OK  
in Safari 2.0.

Is this an example of the infamous box problem? Should I be defining  
the height better?

I suspect this is a newbie question, so please don't beat me up too  
much if that's so as this is only my second CSS project.




Regards,



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Re: [css-d] site check

2005-10-30 Thread David Laakso
Bala Clark wrote:

hi,

Earlier I asked for help with getting drop shows on my blog, I've
solved that problem now and would appreciate some feedback on the
design. I've simply modified one of the defaut blogger.com stylesheets
with my own css. Right now it seems a little too blue, any other
opinions?

heres the url: http://nandasunu.blogspot.com/

thanks.

Bala Clark



  

I will speak to Bowman regarding his font-size methodology.
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Re: [css-d] another margin problem?(IE) - mac users plz sitecheck

2005-10-30 Thread Lowen Fan
Hi, thanks for your reply.. but it does not seem to work. I uploaded it with
the display: inline, but nothing changed..

On 10/30/05, D Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Add display: inline to the #container in the css. It will fix ie's double
 margin and not hurt anything else.



 Now my problem is in IE you see like 20 or more pixels to the margin(i
 think?) of the #container, the image is not lining up with the redish
 background,
 and it does in Firefox.



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Re: [css-d] another margin problem?(IE) - mac users plz sitecheck

2005-10-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lowen Fan wrote:
 I uploaded it with the display: inline, but nothing changed..

You just defined it on the wrong element.
Look for the element with margins, that is pushing the container-width
from the inside in IE/win...

Setting this:
#contact {display: inline;}
...will fix the margin-doubling bug in IE/win.

Safari and IE/Mac is OK BTW.

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[css-d] Show hide layers

2005-10-30 Thread Alessandro Cordeiro
Hi, I'm making a site right now and have to put a option to language and I
have tried to create in the same place three layers containing each one of
the texts in portuguese, english and spanish. This links when clicked need
to show the preferred language e hide the others, Would like to now how can
I do that?
 Thanks

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Re: [css-d] Show hide layers

2005-10-30 Thread Jason M Roehrig
Alessandro Cordeiro wrote:
 Hi, I'm making a site right now and have to put a option to language and I
 have tried to create in the same place three layers containing each one of
 the texts in portuguese, english and spanish. This links when clicked need
 to show the preferred language e hide the others, Would like to now how can
 I do that?
  Thanks

   
Google is your friend:
http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/13638 for some basic info and pointers.
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Re: [css-d] CSS Rendering in Flock

2005-10-30 Thread Christian Montoya

  From the Flock FAQ:
 We are building on top of the Mozilla platform, which we believe to be a
 very secure foundation.

 This is about all the information I have been able to find. Anymore
 ideas, any more ways to perform tests? Should we not be worried about a
 preview release browser?


I've been testing Flock too. It's almost identical to Mozilla as of
now, but there is some concern among developers and users that Flock
might not keep up with the latest versions of Mozilla. I'm almost
expecting it. I think the best indication of what the Flock team will
do will come after FF 1.5 is released. If they do care, they will
update Flock to match FF 1.5... if they don't, then I'll be concerned.

As of now it looks like the Flock team are not standardistas, I hope
they are.

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[css-d] Auto Positioning

2005-10-30 Thread Ryan Boswell
I'm working on a new entirely CSS-based design, and I'm having a  
problem with the footer. I have it positioned at the bottom of the  
page, of course, and right above it are the content and sidebar divs,  
whenever content overflows from the content div it overlays the  
footer making a really ugly-looking strip on the page where two  
layers of text are fighting for visibility. A pic of this happening  
is at http://ambit-online.net/images/overflow.jpg. I need to be able  
to have the footer's position change automatically depending on if  
content from the content div overflows or not.

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Re: [css-d] background color warnings

2005-10-30 Thread Richard Grevers
On 10/30/05, Trish Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Also, is there any difference between

   div#summary p

   #summary p

   p#summary

They select different things:
The first selects any P element which is a descendant of a div with an
id of 'summary'
The second removes the restriction on the container being a div - if
you had td id=summary it would also work.

The third selects a single paragraph which itself has an id of
summary and is not interchangable with the first two.
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Re: [css-d] CSS Rendering in Flock

2005-10-30 Thread Richard Grevers
On 10/31/05, Rahul Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear All:

 I've just installed Flock 0.49[4], a browser which is based off
 Firefox[5]. It implements it's various features fairly slickly, but I
 really wanted to see whether there were significant rendering
 differences between Flock and Firefox.

 I'm sure these are merely differences in which stable version of FF
 Flock is based off - I don't know if any of the Flock developers are on
 this list - John Hicks? - but I haven't been able to find this information.



 [4] Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12)
 Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7
 [5] Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b5)
 Gecko/20051021 Flock/0.4 Firefox/1.0+

You answered your own question: The dates of the builds used are the
numbers following Gecko in the UA string. So Flock is currently using
a newer build (21st October) than Firefox.
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[css-d] fixing backgrounds

2005-10-30 Thread Walter van den Broek
Made an index.html with some beautiful pictures. Got the idea from
Eric Meyer, chapter 12 of his first book from Eric Meyer on CSS, I
hope a lot of them will follow.
The power of a fixed background worked perfect in safari and IE5/Mac.
When i opened it in IE6 on windows one picture was partly on a black
background of the body the other was placed in the content part but
not overlapping the other. In the content part the picture was also
placed relative to the border on the content part.
Hope this makes the problem clear, I am definitely a newbie in this
field so bare with me.
Does IE6 on windows need a css hack, could not find one??
Or can someone direct me in a direction??
Thanks walter
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[css-d] Put gap in list styled for navigation IE problems

2005-10-30 Thread Paul Jinks
First - big thanks to everyone who replied on this one (see below). In

the end I went with two lists, seemed most correct and put a 
margin-bottom in to separate them.

However, when I view this in IE6/XP, the line dividing the top two links 
disappeared.  everything else checks out fine - but no line there. I 
can't see anything in there to cause this, and it doesn't happenn FF/NN. 
If anyone could suggest a fix, I'd get them a latte.  Site launch is on 
Monday ;-)

Link: http://www.digitalbeginnings.shef.ac.uk
css: http://www.digitalbeginnings.shef.ac.uk/css/index.css

I've tried to keep the code fairly clean and easy to read. let me know 
if you think not.

TIA

Paul

P.S.: Apologies to Steve for sending this to him instead of the list. A slip of 
the mouse. 

Steve Clason wrote:

 On 10/26/2005 6:01 PM Paul Jinks wrote:

 I've got a ul that I've styled as a nav bar. Fine. My client has 
 now asked to have a gap the width of 1 list item to separate the last 
 two list items as they are links to external sites.  If you want to 
 take a look, go to: http://www.digitalbeginnings.shef.ac.uk


 snip

 I'm missing something really obvious, right. But what?


 I believe I'd go with two lists.



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Re: [css-d] Put gap in list styled for navigation IE problems

2005-10-30 Thread Christian Montoya
 First - big thanks to everyone who replied on this one (see below). In

 the end I went with two lists, seemed most correct and put a
 margin-bottom in to separate them.

 However, when I view this in IE6/XP, the line dividing the top two links
 disappeared.  everything else checks out fine - but no line there. I
 can't see anything in there to cause this, and it doesn't happenn FF/NN.
 If anyone could suggest a fix, I'd get them a latte.  Site launch is on
 Monday ;-)

 Link: http://www.digitalbeginnings.shef.ac.uk
 css: http://www.digitalbeginnings.shef.ac.uk/css/index.css

 I've tried to keep the code fairly clean and easy to read. let me know
 if you think not.


This is what I did:

#sidenav li {
list-style-type: none;
margin: 0px;
text-align: center;
padding: 0;
display: block;
border-bottom-width: 1px;
border-bottom-style: solid;
border-bottom-color: #ccc;
color: #036;
width:100%;   /* SEE THIS? */
}

Did that work?

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[css-d] css problem with margin between header and content - take a look please

2005-10-30 Thread Carol F. Swinehart
http://www.controlledairsystems.com/test2/indexb.php

I have done this site in several iterations but none really works the 
way I want.  Right now I am very close but there is this big chasm 
between the lower brown bar and the navagation and content section. 
Might as well be a glacial chasm. I have tried everything to close the 
gap but just can't seem to find a way. I would settle the navagation to 
the bottom brown bar and the beige bar white. I could them put more text 
on top of the header picture and all would work.
I tried a background in the header instead of two pictures (still have 
one and that helped but now I can't seem to move the navigation up 
without weird things happening.  As you can see in IE there is an extra 
line.  This color is coming from the header background - how do I get 
rid of this Changing the header background causes other issues.

How do I get the navagation to move up to the lower brown line without 
breaking up.

To those who gave suggestions to my last iteration. Thank you very much. 
Things did not work out - other things separated.

Carol F. Swinehart
CKFS Web Pate Design, LLC

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[css-d] Suckerfish blues (again)

2005-10-30 Thread Graham Reeds
I have implemented a suckerfish menu for a redesign of a game site.

However every implementation I come up with works fine in FF and Opera8, 
but fails in IE6 (only tested on Windows).

I also used the block image code which I was having trouble with last 
week (thanks for the help).

The test site is here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/graham.reeds/space 
and the css is here 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/graham.reeds/space/styles/space_styles.css

Originally I grouped all the menu images into one.  This partially 
worked, but had problems with the items being differing heights:  The 
items were between 13 and 21 pixels in size but the items were only 
partially selectable because the text doesn't fill it entirely.

So I then thought about adding a top and bottom li for the menu border 
and making all the items in between the same size.  However this causes 
the top (and the bottom) image to be drawn in correctly due to IE 
deciding that the size you want it be cannot be any smaller than the 
font-size (in this case around 10px).  Add font-size: 5px to the top 
list-item and a similar one to the bottom and it starts to render 
correctly in IE, FF and O8.

Now I am happy that it is rendering correctly, but am unhappy about the 
hack. Why does it do this and is there a cleaner work around?

Also I have noticed that it is very slow updating when I am checking the 
site when hosted on my homepage.  Does anyone else see this sluggishness 
in IE6?  Any ideas on that as well?

Thanks, Graham Reeds.

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[css-d] Rounded corners - rounding errors in IE

2005-10-30 Thread Richard Grevers
I'm working on a site in which various sections will have different
background colors on body with content boxes having white
backgrounds. These boxes are to have rounded corners, will be various
sizes (both fixed and fluid, static and floated), and some will have
content which should be 100% of the box height. Fortunately, the boxes
do not have borders.

Because of the colour changes, I'd like to achieve the roundy corners
with as few images as possible, ideally with one image such as
http://www.dramatic.co.nz/testing/corner_green.png
I want the images to be css backgrounds only for consistent results
with styling off.
So far I've been using a floated element at top right and absolute
positioning for the two bottom corners (the full height content
requirement). This is working well in everything tried on Windows
except for IE, which is suffering from random 1px errors.
e.g. on one box the bottom right image might be 1px too high, on
another it might be at the correct height but 1px too far left. My
fluid element seems to be working fine.

Does anyone know of a method which avoids these errors? I wouldn't
have thought there was a lot of calculation involved with fixed size
elements.

XHTML
div id=foospan class=tr/span
h2Heading/h2
pblah blah/p
p blah blah could be floated content or all sorts of things./p
span class=bl/spanspan class=br/span
/div

CSS
* {
margin:0; padding:0;
}
#foo{ /*this particular example is fixed-size*/
position:relative; width: 275px; height: 360px; margin: 10px;float: 
left;
background:#fff;
}
#foo h2 {
font-family: geneva,arial,'lucida sans', sans-serif; color:#fff;
background: url(../img/foo_h2.png) no-repeat; text-align: center;
position: relative; top: -7px; left: -7px; width: 225px; height: 30px;
font-size: 21px; line-height:28px;
}
 #foo p {
margin: 8px;
}
.tr {
display:block; float:right; background: url(../img/corner_green.png)
bottom left no-repeat; width: 15px; height: 15px;
vertical-align: bottom;font-size:1px;line-height:1px;
}
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url(../img/corner_green.png) top right no-repeat; width: 15px; height:
15px;
vertical-align: bottom;font-size:1px;line-height:1px;
}
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display:block; position:absolute; top:100%;right:0; background:
url(../img/corner_green.png) top left no-repeat; width: 15px; height:
15px;
vertical-align: bottom;font-size:1px;line-height:1px;margin-top:-15px;
 /* using bottom:0 also produces random errors in IE */
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Re: [css-d] IE6 border color change on refresh

2005-10-30 Thread Ingo Chao
Kara Taylor wrote:
 Hi Big John,
 
 On Oct 29, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Big John wrote:
 http://coawfl.appriver.com/press-room.asp
 IE's way of dealing with lists can be incredibly bizarre, but
 I bet that giving the links the same width as the LI's might
 solve the problem, altho it also might cause changes in spacing.
 
 Thanks for looking at this.  Adding width to the links didn't change 
 the spacing, but it didn't seem to fix the problem - I'm still seeing 
 the weird borders on refresh.  Any other thoughts as to why this might 
 be happening or how it could be fixed?

Kara, I somewhat managed to reproduce the problem locally (after
refreshing the cache a couple of times, reloading, refreshing ... and 
opening several instances of IE6). The problem is that we cannot 
identify a trigger locally that might cause the bug after several 
refreshes only.

The good news is that the color of the 2px dotted border is not
changing, so you could safely ignore this !important on the border color.
The bad news is that the problem affects the space between the border
dots.

I have changed the colors of the logo.gif and the colors and
widths in the CSS for contrast (gray dots, black background).

Screenshot:
   http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/bizarre/kara5.png

In line 1 and 3 there are colored pixel filling the space between the
gray dots. Note that these are parts of different transparent gifs you
are using on the page. In the first line, there are some green spots,
and the third line there are parts of the logo.gif (to the left) and
from the headline.gif (to the right).

How bizarre. Here, I have used a couple of lines this way to simulate a 
screen:

http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/bizarre/bizarrebug.html

Screenshot:
   http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/bizarre/bizarre.png
   (http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/bizarre/bizarre.jpg)

A list entry with a dotted border-bottom and a transparent 
background-gif and padding-bottom seems to be all what is needed to 
mirror the video memory between the dots? Is this a variant of the 
creeping text bug [1]?

Strange one.

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Re: [css-d] Suckerfish blues (again)

2005-10-30 Thread Graham Reeds
Bill Gates wrote:

 I don't know whether you care or not, but it doesn't work right on OS 
 X, Firefox or Opera. IE5.2 is hopeless, as well.

 On Oct 30, 2005, at 7:26 PM, Graham Reeds wrote:

 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/graham.reeds/space


Is that on just the 'main' menu or you saying for all of them?  Only the 
main menu has been implemented.  No point in coding up the rest until I 
have one of them working.  Really I would like a fix or a more elegant 
workaround for the font-size hack, and why IE6 is really slow compared 
to FF and Opera when the page is remote.  Also do other people see it as 
being really slow.

Also I don't really care about any browser less than a couple of years 
old, and IE5.x on both Mac and Windows is really a dying breed.  For Mac 
I only really care about Safari, FF  Opera, but I don't have access to 
a Mac for continuous testing, so I hope that FF and Opera will be like 
their Windows counterparts.  Safari, I hope, will be quite compliant (it 
seems to be) so I hope the rendering will be similar to FF (and 
therefore work).

Thanks, Graham.



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Re: [css-d] Suckerfish blues (again)

2005-10-30 Thread Graham Reeds
Linda H wrote:


 IE5.x on both Mac and Windows is really a dying breed.


 Don't I wish! Unfortunately, some 95% of the people accessing the site 
 I'm working on are using IE and the people in charge don't take kindly 
 to me telling the users they should download Firefox in response to 
 complaints :-(

 Linda H

Let me get this straight.  95% of people accessing your site use IE5.5 
or less on both Windows and Mac, so the remaining 5% is distributed 
amongst IE6, FF, Opera, Safari, etc.?

Last time I checked 95% of users used IE6  FF.  The remaining 5% is 
distributed amongst IE5 (the most at around 3%) and Safari, Opera being 
the more significant of the others.

G.


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[css-d] Assistance Needed

2005-10-30 Thread Tracy Shorrock
Hi,

I know this is off topic, but didn't know where else to go.

One of my websites has been hacked by the 'byond crew'. They've changed 
the index page, the rest of the site it there though.

I've contacted my host provider here in the UK, but it's 3:40am here 
and I don't think there's anyone there.

If anyone knows of anything I can do myself, then please contact me off 
list.

Cheers,

Tracy

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[css-d] div problems

2005-10-30 Thread meeester kode
I cant seem to get div to work while trying to use
absolute positioning.

Im readin two css books right now core css and css
web design for dummies and both have code snippets
for this and it doesnt work right for me in firefox or
ie6! wtf is going on? TIA, mrk0de




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Re: [css-d] div problems

2005-10-30 Thread Jim Davis
Hard to tell without some code to look at.

Be sure the containing div is not static. The containing div should
include something like:

{...position: relative...} for example.

Jim

On 10/30/05, meeester kode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I cant seem to get div to work while trying to use
 absolute positioning.

 Im readin two css books right now core css and css
 web design for dummies and both have code snippets
 for this and it doesnt work right for me in firefox or
 ie6! wtf is going on? TIA, mrk0de
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Re: [css-d] Assistance Received, thanks.

2005-10-30 Thread Tracy Shorrock
Thank you to those who were awake at this hour and online to come to my 
assistance.

Sorry to have posted Off Topic, but I was desperate!

Cheers, Tracy

On Monday, October 31, 2005, at 03:45  am, Tracy Shorrock wrote:

Subject: Assistance Needed

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[css-d] left margin on styled list in IE

2005-10-30 Thread Jim Meier
Hi folks,

I've got a chunk of page that renders as I expect in firefox, but shows 
a big offset in ie. I can't seem to find where it's coming from.

The page is at http://dsdd.org/vorivore-cart-down-mock.html

In the cart at top, the short descriptions (class=desc) should be 
about 18 pixels from the left border, and indeed in firefox they are.
Internet explorer is shifting the whole works right by some 50 or 60 
pixels. It's even overflowing the cart borders.

A further problem, but one that has little to do with css, is that the 
DHTML cart show/hide fails horribly on IE.

Thanks for any suggestions or input!
-Jim
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