Re: [css-d] Compuserve 7.0

2005-12-13 Thread Josine Krant
| Josine Krant wrote:
| I build my two-column forms with CSS and that works fine In IE6 and FF.
|
| http://212.203.14.56/ictb/test/pre-coursequestionnaire.htm
| http://212.203.14.56/ictb/test/ictb.css
| 
| My American client uses the Compuserve 7.0 browser (very uncommon here in
| Europe) and doesn't see the left column of the forms.
| I was informed that Compuserve 7.0 = IE6. But I doubt it.
| 
| It isn't. Displays identically on FF1.5, and IE6, both on Win XPSP2, and
| Opera 9PR1. Did you mean IE/Mac5.2?

Thanks Rahul,
If Compuserve 7.0 is not IE6, what is it ?

And I ment IE5 and Mac browsers, sorry.

Josine Krant 


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Re: [css-d] Compuserve 7.0

2005-12-13 Thread Ingo Chao
Josine Krant wrote:
 If Compuserve 7.0 is not IE6, what is it ?


Google says it's a gecko engine. According to [1], the user agent string 
of Compuserve 7 is

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.2) Gecko/20020502 CS 
2000 7.0/7.0.

So you might want to download this old Moz at evolt.org to check for 
yourself.

Ingo

[1] http://webmaster.info.aol.com/detection.html
[2] http://browsers.evolt.org/


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[css-d] alpha transparency in list background-image?

2005-12-13 Thread Rutger Buijzen
Hi,
 
I don't know whether this is the appropriate mailing list to post this
questions to, if not, my apologies.
 
Is it possible to put a transparent image (PNG, JPEG or GIF with alpha =
50%) in the background of a list item containing a text link?
 
ul
lia href=link 1/a/li
lia href=link 2/a/li
lia href=link 3/a/li
/ul
 
Thanks in advance,
 
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Re: [css-d] alpha transparency in list background-image?

2005-12-13 Thread David Dorward
On 13/12/05, Rutger Buijzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is it possible to put a transparent image (PNG, JPEG or GIF with alpha =
 50%) in the background of a list item containing a text link?

PNG supports alpha transparency.
GIF can fake it with alternating coloured and transparent pixels.
JPEG doesn't support transparency at all.

If you are talking about the filter property in Microsoft's CSS-like
style sheet language, then no. It applies to entire elements, not to
backgrounds.

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Re: [css-d] weird behaviour when adding classes through javascript

2005-12-13 Thread hepabolu
Hello Zoe,

thanks for taking the time to reply. I got a response from someone 
offlist that partially solved my problem, but didn't solve the weird 
behaviour I noticed. I'm sorry I didn't report back.

I currently don't have a public available URL where I can post the page. 
I'm going to find one real soon, because I do want to know why this 
problem arises.

Since the issue was about marking a table row based on the result of 
some calculation, I finally chose to change the marking from pure CSS 
(colors and lines) to adding an asterisk in an extra cell.

The final result can be seen here:

http://www.origami-osn.nl/osn/en/oricalc-paperestimate.html

Thanks again.

Bye, Helma

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Re: [css-d] Seperating behavior and style

2005-12-13 Thread Jesper Brunholm
Rakesh Pai wrote:

 I need to be able to define a class=expanded and class=collapsed.
 When the user asks for somethng that was expanded to be collapsed, the
 JS should read the CSS file for the width to which the pane will
 collapse (need not be 0px), and should accordingly start playing the
 animation. This way, I won't have any hard-coded width values in my
 JS.

Perhaps this can help you:
How do I read stylesheet information in Javascript?
http://www.html-faq.com/scriptingbasics/?scriptstyles

JavaScript tutorial - Manipulating CSS using the W3C DOM
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/index.php?tut=0part=27


Best regards

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Re: [css-d] Site Check - LittleandReid.com [Update]

2005-12-13 Thread David Laakso
Rahul Gonsalves wrote:

Dear All:+

http://littleandreid.com/rc2/

This is a second check, after David, Felix and Kates' suggestions and 
kind words from last week. I've tried to incorporate as many of these as 
possible into the design/code.
  

Your friendly list maniac is back with some totally useless /personal 
opinions/ that have nothing to do with CSS.
Nice site, but not all os/browsers default to a white background. 
Fuchsia does not do you site justice(Opera on my machine).  These are 
stacked flush right in Opera9:
Email:
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I still do not understand the dishwater blonde link background-color 
(#dce2b2), or the thick border beneath--unless  that color has some 
really remote connection to the logo. You might try a yellow ochre or 
raw sienna, or raw umber(or something like that). And a little larger 
font-size for those links would be a nice touch, too. FWIW, Felix can 
look forward to a holy war (on chatZilla, not css-d) regarding em width 
layouts... ;-)

Warmly,
Rahul.

Regards,
~dL
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Re: [css-d] Layout Jumps when links are hovered over

2005-12-13 Thread Larry Winfrey
Thanks for the reply jesper.  I am definitely trying to get the bugs out
of the css.  I am using some pre-built style sheets because of the huge
number of classes and IDs that I don't care to redo.  So I know that
there error is there in the css just with the amount of styles I have to
deal with for the CMS I was going blind and wanted another set of eyes
looking at this.   

I don't know if it's of any help to you if I find the error in one of
your extensive list of stylesheets, it may be necessary with a CMS, but
you sure do get heavy pages   
there :-/

Once I get all the bugs worked out of the css I am going to get rid of a
ton of the rules.  Just want to make sure things are working before I do
that.

Thanks for the clue though.  I will look at menu sheet and see what I
can find.

As far as the search goes, I used all the terms in the subject with
various combinations.  Just didn't have time to go through all the
archives searching by each month.  If there is a better way to search
the archives I would love to hear it.

As far as the site goes...I did goof and give you the wrong address so
you did go to the correct place.

Thanks for the help.

Larry Winfrey

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[css-d] Preloading Background Images

2005-12-13 Thread Kevin Cannon
Hey all,

I've got a website with CSS Tabs. When a user click on a tab it changes the
body class, and using that rule change it hides/shows the approproate div.
Each tab has a different background image, and there is a delay after clicking
each tab while the image loads.

Is it possible to preload the images in anyway, via CSS or Javascript?

I'm not that keen on combining the 6 images into 1 large one and changing the
background position, as that would mean the homepage would take too long to
appear.


I've searched thorugh the archive but not found a definitive answer, can
anyone help?

Thanks very much,

- Kevin
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Re: [css-d] Preloading Background Images

2005-12-13 Thread CJ Larson
 Is it possible to preload the images in anyway, via CSS or Javascript?
 
 I'm not that keen on combining the 6 images into 1 large one and
changing the
 background position, as that would mean the homepage would take too
long to
 appear.

[cj]
I think my brain is dead today, so forgive the newbie question:  How
would preloading 6 different images take less time than loading 1
combined image?
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Re: [css-d] rollover with no link content

2005-12-13 Thread David Dorward
On 13/12/05, pablo dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 div id=menu
   a href=# class=m_home/a
   a href=# class=m_news/a
 /div

Don't do that. You can't depend on images OR CSS being turned on (and
search engine indexing bots certainly won't have them!). Also, a list
of links should be marked up as a list:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/

I've yet to see a technique for having images for links that beats a
regular img with alt text and some JavaScript for handling any
desired rollovers.

Some people like image replacement techniques, but they come with
accessibility problems and provide little in the way of practical
benefits so I avoid them. The Wiki has more information on them if you
are interested.

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Re: [css-d] Purchase of MAC for CSS cross-browser testing

2005-12-13 Thread Paul Menard
I made an official switch from PC to MAC in June. I went with the laptop, 15 
PowerBook. That way I can keep my Desktop system for gaming. 
 
 As far as Browser for the MAC. It comes with Safari (An Excellent browser 
IMHO), You can and should also download IE5 for MAC (Free) and FireFox.
 
 P-

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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:00:54
Subject: [css-d] Purchase of MAC for CSS cross-browser testing

Looks like we have end-year money to purchase a MAC for cross-browser 
testing. 

I'm MAC illiterate, but I am pretty sure I want a laptop, not a desktop, 
unless a laptop won't support all the browsers that a desktop supports.

Any suggestions about what to buy to support the key MAC browsers is 
appreciated.  Money isn't an object with this purchase.

What software will I need to install to maximize my cross-browser 
testing on a MAC?

Sam

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[css-d] Vertical AND horizontal pull-out menus

2005-12-13 Thread Dale Beach
I'm working on a site with horizontal pull-down menus across the top, 
and a couple of vertical pull-out menus along the left side. This is my 
first time doing this. I'm using menus based on Suckerfish menus, 
including the snippet of javascript for IE/WIN. The menu across the top 
works fine in everything, including IE/WIN, but the side pullouts do 
not work in IE/WIN.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance

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[css-d] Positioning Divs without div container

2005-12-13 Thread shlomi asaf
{attached please find a picture describing the problem}

Hi Guys
i get conflicted in those days with this question:
i know that browsers put the HTML as soon as they find the closing tag of
the element- like Table or Div or P . etc...
i use in my sites to build using container div that contain all the
structure and the divs that hold the site.
someone told me that is would be a good idea to separate the divs. in this
way the browser will process the page faster, and will put the HTML faster.

building a site without a container div is strange for my idea.
i cannot put background images, i cannot position divs in the middle. i can
do that only using absolute positioning and use JavaScript to measure user
client width.

bottom line- are divs, inside container div, load fast as outside a main
div, using body as the scope.

can someone contribute me from his experience. ill appreciate that.

Shlomi.A
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Re: [css-d] Purchase of MAC for CSS cross-browser testing

2005-12-13 Thread Bart Hook
You may want to wait just a bit. If the rumors are true the Powerbooks will
be the first Macs to have the Intel chips. Currently the fastest processor
is a 1.67 GHZ G4. The new chips should provide a significant speed increase.

Good luck with the switch. :)

Bart


On 12/13/05 11:14 AM, Paul Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I made an official switch from PC to MAC in June. I went with the laptop, 15
 PowerBook. That way I can keep my Desktop system for gaming.
  
  As far as Browser for the MAC. It comes with Safari (An Excellent browser
 IMHO), You can and should also download IE5 for MAC (Free) and FireFox.
  
  P-
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Sam Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CSS Discuss List css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:00:54
 Subject: [css-d] Purchase of MAC for CSS cross-browser testing
 
 Looks like we have end-year money to purchase a MAC for cross-browser
 testing. 
 
 I'm MAC illiterate, but I am pretty sure I want a laptop, not a desktop,
 unless a laptop won't support all the browsers that a desktop supports.
 
 Any suggestions about what to buy to support the key MAC browsers is
 appreciated.  Money isn't an object with this purchase.
 
 What software will I need to install to maximize my cross-browser
 testing on a MAC?
 
 Sam
 
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Re: [css-d] Preloading Background Images

2005-12-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
CJ Larson wrote:
 I think my brain is dead today, so forgive the newbie question:  How 
 would preloading 6 different images take less time than loading 1 
 combined image?

It may - if the wind-direction is good :-) and the file-sizes are favorable.
Most of the time it's just a way of creating the illusion of a
quick-rendering page, by simply delaying rendering until images are
loaded. When measured; this approach usually adds a small amount of time
instead of reducing it.

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Re: [css-d] rollover with no link content

2005-12-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/13/05, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 13/12/05, pablo dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  div id=menu
a href=# class=m_home/a
a href=# class=m_news/a
  /div

 Don't do that. You can't depend on images OR CSS being turned on (and
 search engine indexing bots certainly won't have them!). Also, a list
 of links should be marked up as a list:
 http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/

Ditto. You shouldn't have empty links, anyway. Anchors (a href) are
supposed to contain something.

You should do:

ul
lia href=# class=m_homeimg src=.../a/li
lia href=# class=m_newsimg src=.../a/li
/ul

li { display:inline; }

You can even give the images relative sizes in the CSS.

Now if these images are just icons and text, then you can consider
taking the icon out, and applying it as the background image to these
list items, while styling the plain text in them.

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Re: [css-d] Purchase of MAC for CSS cross-browser testing

2005-12-13 Thread Yong Lee
There's been rumors the new Intel based Powerbook might be introduced in
January. But then if you need to buy one this year for tax deduction
purpose, you should buy a current model anyway. I'd be a little wary of
buying a first generation model, even though Apple supposedly has been
working on the Intel Macs for a long time.

Yong

On 12/13/05 8:25 AM, Bart Hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You may want to wait just a bit. If the rumors are true the Powerbooks will
 be the first Macs to have the Intel chips. Currently the fastest processor
 is a 1.67 GHZ G4. The new chips should provide a significant speed increase.
 
 Good luck with the switch. :)
 
 Bart
 
 
 On 12/13/05 11:14 AM, Paul Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I made an official switch from PC to MAC in June. I went with the laptop, 15
 PowerBook. That way I can keep my Desktop system for gaming.
  
  As far as Browser for the MAC. It comes with Safari (An Excellent browser
 IMHO), You can and should also download IE5 for MAC (Free) and FireFox.
  
  P-
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Sam Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CSS Discuss List css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:00:54
 Subject: [css-d] Purchase of MAC for CSS cross-browser testing
 
 Looks like we have end-year money to purchase a MAC for cross-browser
 testing. 
 
 I'm MAC illiterate, but I am pretty sure I want a laptop, not a desktop,
 unless a laptop won't support all the browsers that a desktop supports.
 
 Any suggestions about what to buy to support the key MAC browsers is
 appreciated.  Money isn't an object with this purchase.
 
 What software will I need to install to maximize my cross-browser
 testing on a MAC?
 
 Sam
 
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Re: [css-d] Vertical AND horizontal pull-out menus

2005-12-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/13/05, Dale Beach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm working on a site with horizontal pull-down menus across the top,
 and a couple of vertical pull-out menus along the left side. This is my
 first time doing this. I'm using menus based on Suckerfish menus,
 including the snippet of javascript for IE/WIN. The menu across the top
 works fine in everything, including IE/WIN, but the side pullouts do
 not work in IE/WIN.
 Any suggestions?
 Thanks in advance

Wow, that's a lot of menu.

I think everyone will agree that for this question, you'll have to
send us an example. Write a simple test page if you have to.

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Re: [css-d] Layout Jumps when links are hovered over

2005-12-13 Thread Jesper Brunholm
Hi Larry

Larry Winfrey wrote:
 I am definitely trying to get the bugs out
 of the css. [...] and wanted another set of eyes
 looking at this.   

I may be wrong, but I think you would have got more answers than mine if 
you had made that clearer in your opening post, it looked a lot like 
trying to help somebody restyle a CMS ;-)

[on the huge and numberous style sheets]

 Once I get all the bugs worked out of the css I am going to get rid of a
 ton of the rules.  Just want to make sure things are working before I do
 that.

I am afraid that it's a dangerous approach, you will have a hard time 
deciding what covers which effects in those style sheets as far as I can 
see, but perhaps you have seen a pattern that I cannot spot with my 
brief look through...

 Thanks for the clue though.  I will look at menu sheet and see what I
 can find.

When I looked in, it seemed that you have to look for the class 
xar-menu-item, the menu items, and the hover-effekts on li and other 
link-containers.

 Just didn't have time to go through all the
 archives searching by each month.  If there is a better way to search
 the archives I would love to hear it.

The second best is to use Google, see 
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=SearchCssDiscussList for in-depth 
explanation.

I have taken down the archive files from before I got here, and put them 
in a folder together with my list mails, that way I can text-search the 
complete archives. It's a time-consuming way the first time, though, as 
the archives are actually not g-zipped as indicated, but raw text.

Apart from that, I always try the wiki first, but I don't find anything 
there on jump hover or flicker hover which I think is the main 
approaches.

Best regards

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Re: [css-d] [css-d ADMIN OFF TOPIC] Purchase of MAC for CSS cross-browser testing

2005-12-13 Thread Bob Easton
People with recommendations for Sam should answer off list so 6000 
subscribers don't have to wade through it.

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[css-d] How can I code my list properly

2005-12-13 Thread Michelle Tarby
I've got 2 list definitions in my stylesheet - one for navigation and 
one for text.   In order for the text list to work in IE, I've been using

ul id=textlist
li id=textlista href=/adult_education/registration_spring06.htm 
 Spring 2006 Registration/a/li
li id=textlista href=/registrar/schedule/index.htm Course 
Availability/a/li
 /ul

It works, but it doesn't validate.  I'd like to learn how to do this 
properly, but can't figure out what to change:  
http://www.lemoyne.edu/css/adult_ed.css

Any suggestions would be most appreciated!

Michelle

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Le Moyne College
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Re: [css-d] How can I code my list properly

2005-12-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/13/05, Michelle Tarby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got 2 list definitions in my stylesheet - one for navigation and
 one for text.   In order for the text list to work in IE, I've been using

 ul id=textlist
 li id=textlista href=/adult_education/registration_spring06.htm
  Spring 2006 Registration/a/li
 li id=textlista href=/registrar/schedule/index.htm Course
 Availability/a/li
  /ul

 It works, but it doesn't validate.  I'd like to learn how to do this
 properly, but can't figure out what to change:

change id=textlist to class=textlist, and then use .textlist
instead of #textlist. You cannot repeat ID's.

You might also like to do:

ul class=textlist
liStuff/li
liMore stuff/li
/ul

.textlist { styling for ul }
.textlist li { styling for ul's items }

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Re: [css-d] How can I code my list properly

2005-12-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Michelle Tarby wrote:
 
 It works, but it doesn't validate.  

You can't have more than one element with the same id.

Joel Goldstick
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[css-d] Centering Flickr Badge

2005-12-13 Thread Niels Olson
Hello,

I barely know enough about CSS to keep my blog from returning errors every
time I change the style sheet. I have one fairly directed question: how do I
center my flickr badge in a column? I have added align=center everywhere I
can think of and it still aligns to the left. Help! My blog is here:
http://nielsolson.us/Haversian/

Regards,

Niels

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[css-d] fluidly sometimes show a floating div

2005-12-13 Thread CJ Larson
On some of my pages I want to be able to display a div (shopping cart)
sometimes, but not always.  When the div doesn't exist, I want the main
content area to take up the full width of the browser window.  When the
shopping cart exists, I want the main content to leave room for the
extra div.  I thought I would be able to float it to the right and text
would wrap around it, but I've found that isn't the case (even though it
appears to work just fine for the picture I have nested in the
content-inside div).

Go figure, IE is doing what I'm trying to achieve, but I can't get FF
(1.5) or Opera (8) to look the way I want.  I've tried moving the
shopping cart div around in the source as well, but I've had no luck.

I hijacked our clan's web site, so no more geocities links.  :)  The
cart is the blue box of filler numbers.  The content-inside div is
bordered in green.
http://sltclan.com/images/cj/details.html

The most relevant CSS file is
http://sltclan.com/images/cj/details_files/layout1.css
.cart and .content / .content-inside
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Re: [css-d] Centering Flickr Badge

2005-12-13 Thread Bob Easton
Niels Olson wrote:

 I barely know enough about CSS to keep my blog from returning errors every
 time I change the style sheet. I have one fairly directed question: how do I
 center my flickr badge in a column? I have added align=center everywhere I
 can think of and it still aligns to the left. Help! My blog is here:
 http://nielsolson.us/Haversian/

#zg_div {margin: 0 auto;} should do it.  This says use 0 margin top and 
bottom and auto width margins left and right.

There's more on centering in the WIKI at:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CenteringBlockElement

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Re: [css-d] fluidly sometimes show a floating div

2005-12-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
CJ Larson wrote:
 http://sltclan.com/images/cj/details.html

If I have understood you correctly, then...
.content-inside {display: table-cell;}
...seems to give a close to perfect line-up in Opera9prev1  Firefox
1.5, on windows.

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[css-d] First background or border missing in IE

2005-12-13 Thread Martin Tschofen
I have an XHTML 1.1 complient site with a three column layout.

In the center column I have a bunch of header and p tags.
Each h2 has a border-bottom of 1px dashed #ccc.
In IE 6 (I haven't tested it in earlier versions yet) the border of
the first h2 does not display (FF, Safari... all work just fine). This
behavior is also appearent when I try a background.

If I scroll around in IE eventually it appears again.

Any idea what this could be?
Thanks...martin
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Re: [css-d] First background or border missing in IE

2005-12-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Martin Tschofen wrote:
 I have an XHTML 1.1 complient site with a three column layout.

First: if an XHTML 1.1 compliant page/site shows up in IE6 at all, then
you have done just about everything wrong. Only XHTML 1.0 may ever be
served as HTML, and IE6 doesn't even know what XHTML is when it is
served correctly with an '.xhtml' extension.

Of course, you may have solved this in an appropriate way, but I can't
read that out of your message so I have to raise the flag here.
Ref: http://www.webstandards.org/learn/askw3c/sep2003.html

 In the center column I have a bunch of header and p tags. Each h2 has
  a border-bottom of 1px dashed #ccc. In IE 6 (I haven't tested it in 
 earlier versions yet) the border of the first h2 does not display 
 (FF, Safari... all work just fine). This behavior is also appearent 
 when I try a background.
 
 If I scroll around in IE eventually it appears again.

Sounds like IE6 needs a strategically placed 'hasLayout' trigger. You
will have to experiment a bit by applying the right trigger - normally a
small or zero height-value - to IE/win only.
Ref: http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html

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Georg
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