Re: [css-d] IE6 causes layout to grow vertically
Hi Matthew, I tried clearing the cache and it's still happening. I am running Windows XP and IE6 too. If you scroll to the very bottom so you can see the footer, mouse over any link in the search return and watch the scroll bar grow and the space below the footer grow. Having done more research on IE bugs I am wondering if this is what's called the Guillotine Bug? Cheers, Marcus On 25/6/07 20:39, Matthew Ohlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus Taylor wrote: Search return*: http://dev.high-brandwidth.co.uk/client/mad/searchreturn.html As you can see I am pinning the footer to the bottom of the page, and in IE6 if you scroll to the bottom of the search return and then mouse over a link in the main search return content pane, the page grows by about 200px below the footer. Marcus, I am having trouble re-creating the problem using the Search Return link above. I am running Windows XP Home and using IE 6.0. Perhaps its a browser cache problem? Have you tried clearing your cache and temp files? Matthew -- high-brandwidth branding, graphic design and web design 4 Margaret Street London W1W 8RF Tel: +44 (0)20 7462 1267 Fax: +44 (0)20 7436 5431 Mobile: +44 (0)7786 736 650 Skype: high-brandwidth http://www.high-brandwidth.co.uk __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] IE 6.0 gallery spacing problems
My New site is here:http://www.philturner-uk.com/phil/portfolio.html I am slowly working through the errors I cant look at it in IE 6 and 7 but I know there is something throwing out the spacing on the gallery (thanks for the screen shots Matthew) at the bottom as well as the e-mail and phone number text areas and graphics. I dont know what is causing this any help appreciated, it looks great in firefox, Netscape, Opera, and Camino I also have a white space at the top which again I dont know what is causing that Thanks in advance, tables are starting to call to me.resist, resist Phil Turner FREELANCE DESIGNER TEL: 0161 439 1669 Chartered Graphic Designer MCSD BA Hons [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.philturner-uk.com NEW BOOK - YOUR PLANET NEEDS YOU http://www.yourplanetneedsyou.org P Please consider the environment before printing this email. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check Please
Hallo Matthew, I hope this delay response helps to further reaffirm the advice given so far... For what its worth, I am one of those folks using an iMac Flat panel 800Ghz. I have IE 5.2Mac and have never used it personally, other than when I was checking site I was building. IE5 Mac was just a big fat pain in the Derry Air, and I would have no qualms in saying to you, the number of people with Macs who would still be using it, well, you could count them on the fingers of my left hand. Can you see my left hand from where you are? (O: Cheers, Tigdh P.S. Thanks again to all on this site who are all helping me immensely. On 26/6/07 1:45 AM, Matthew Ohlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, Ingo, and David, Thanks so much for your input and time. I made a few of the changes you suggested, but I don't guess I will go to far trying to support for IE/Mac. I guess the number of users using that combination would be slim these days, plus I don't think I will get very far without having easy access to a Mac! :-D Thanks again, Matthew __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Timothy Gleeson [ p. 6334 2631 m. 0434 249 753 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Po Box 128 Newstead Tasmania 7250 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Advice desired
Hi all, I'm very new to CSS and XHTML, knowing nothing about it as of 2 months ago. I'm also 64 and so my ability to remember many things is showing signs of decline. I inherited a site and was in the process of trying to eliminate all the errors W3C had pointed out, but I decided I would just make everything look better (all the boxes had right aligned text!), and then later, I would make a change in the design. I have recreated the page error free but am unable to place the navigation tabs where they belong, and the side borders do not appear. I have grown to like the layout and would like to keep it. I would like to know what people think of the page and how I should proceed to improve it. http://www.bcam.qc.ca Thanks, Gerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please quote my message in your reply, otherwise I won't know to what you are referring. Thanks __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] see #F3F1E9 on WinMac: weren't Web-safe colours dead?
I was playing around with colors for a css-layout and got pretty satisfied with a light-browns/sandy combination [#E6E3D7 - #F3F1E9] on firefox/OSX. [see http://www.bo.ingv.it ] Then I watched it from a windows box (IE and Firefox) and it looks completely shifted (light-greys/bluish). the win-box scren is set to 32-bit colors hence it is not a color- space remapping/redux issue... I tested the same colors with Mac Win Gamma settings in Photoshop and could not reproduce those greys either... What might such a color-shift be about? ... whole sites and communities discussing color palettes and their implications and there's still no-way to garantee an hex-value is rendered consistently in any browser ?! Thanks, ciao -- Dott. Luca Postpischl Istituto Nazionale Geofisica e Vulcanologia http://www.linkedin.com/in/lucapost via Donato Creti 12, 40100 Bologna Italy +39-051-4151495 - Skype: postpischl -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] see #F3F1E9 on WinMac: weren't Web-safe colours dead?
Hex values are unambiguous and consistent in meaning - but screens are not. What's causing the difference is not the browser but the box itself. Try re-callibrating your monitors acording to their instruction manuals. Regards, Barney Luca Postpischl wrote: I was playing around with colors for a css-layout and got pretty satisfied with a light-browns/sandy combination [#E6E3D7 - #F3F1E9] on firefox/OSX. [see http://www.bo.ingv.it ] Then I watched it from a windows box (IE and Firefox) and it looks completely shifted (light-greys/bluish). the win-box scren is set to 32-bit colors hence it is not a color- space remapping/redux issue... I tested the same colors with Mac Win Gamma settings in Photoshop and could not reproduce those greys either... What might such a color-shift be about? ... whole sites and communities discussing color palettes and their implications and there's still no-way to garantee an hex-value is rendered consistently in any browser ?! Thanks, ciao -- Dott. Luca Postpischl Istituto Nazionale Geofisica e Vulcanologia http://www.linkedin.com/in/lucapost via Donato Creti 12, 40100 Bologna Italy +39-051-4151495 - Skype: postpischl -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] see #F3F1E9 on WinMac: weren't Web-safe colours dead?
On 26/06/07, Luca Postpischl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... whole sites and communities discussing color palettes and their implications and there's still no-way to garantee an hex-value is rendered consistently in any browser ?! There's no guarantee the exact same browser and OS, the exact same model graphics card and the exact same model display will have consistent display. Things such as the configured colour temperature will play into account. Also the screen brightness and environment colouring and lighting will affect the percieved colour. -- David liorean Andersson __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] strange display error in IE 6
Hallo, If you compare the appearance of this page: http://testwww.zeno.org/Bibliothek/Zeno/0/Profisuche?m=1 in Firefox with the one in IE 6, you may recognize that (most of the times when the page is loaded) there is some text misssing above the serach form in the middle. The header (Erweiterte Suche) ist not shown at all, neither it's background color, nor ist white text nor ist border-bottom. The sentence following the header is invisible, too. If I do a select all, the hidden text is not selected. But I can select it manually by dragging the mouse over it. If you refresh the page, sometimes the header and that first paragraph are drawn, sometimes not. In addition, the footer line (ZenoServer 1.5.41 ...) is supposed to be outside of the blue rectangle. And it is in Firefox and IE 7 - but not in IE 6... Could anybode tell me what's wrong there? Best regards, Christian Kirchhoff Directmedia Publishing GmbH · Möckernstraße 68 · 10965 Berlin www.digitale-bibliothek.de AG Berlin-Charlottenburg · HR B 58002 · USt.Id. DE173211737 Geschäftsführer: Ralf Szymanski · Erwin Jurschitza __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] see #F3F1E9 on WinMac: weren't Web-safe colours dead?
Morning Luca You wrote I was playing around with colors for a css-layout and got pretty satisfied with a light-browns/sandy combination [#E6E3D7 - #F3F1E9] on firefox/OSX. [see http://www.bo.ingv.it ] Then I watched it from a windows box (IE and Firefox) and it looks completely shifted (light-greys/bluish). the win-box scren is set to 32-bit colors hence it is not a color- space remapping/redux issue... I tested the same colors with Mac Win Gamma settings in Photoshop and could not reproduce those greys either... What might such a color-shift be about? ... whole sites and communities discussing color palettes and their implications and there's still no-way to garantee an hex-value is rendered consistently in any browser ?! Thanks, ciao The list Wiki has links to several discussion groups on the *off topic* page that may provide an answer this question.[1] hth [1] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic Jim Nannery www.redfernenterprises.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] strange display error in IE 6 (P.S.)
Sorry, the domain I mentioned is not reachable from outside out companies network. I apologize for the inconvenience and will ask again when I can name a page that you can view from outside. Christian Kirchhoff Directmedia Publishing GmbH · Möckernstraße 68 · 10965 Berlin www.digitale-bibliothek.de AG Berlin-Charlottenburg · HR B 58002 · USt.Id. DE173211737 Geschäftsführer: Ralf Szymanski · Erwin Jurschitza -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Christian Kirchhoff Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Juni 2007 15:44 An: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Betreff: [css-d] strange display error in IE 6 Hallo, If you compare the appearance of this page: http://testwww.zeno.org/Bibliothek/Zeno/0/Profisuche?m=1 in Firefox with the one in IE 6, you may recognize that (most of the times when the page is loaded) there is some text misssing above the serach form in the middle. The header (Erweiterte Suche) ist not shown at all, neither it's background color, nor ist white text nor ist border-bottom. The sentence following the header is invisible, too. If I do a select all, the hidden text is not selected. But I can select it manually by dragging the mouse over it. If you refresh the page, sometimes the header and that first paragraph are drawn, sometimes not. In addition, the footer line (ZenoServer 1.5.41 ...) is supposed to be outside of the blue rectangle. And it is in Firefox and IE 7 - but not in IE 6... Could anybode tell me what's wrong there? Best regards, Christian Kirchhoff Directmedia Publishing GmbH · Möckernstraße 68 · 10965 Berlin www.digitale-bibliothek.de AG Berlin-Charlottenburg · HR B 58002 · USt.Id. DE173211737 Geschäftsführer: Ralf Szymanski · Erwin Jurschitza __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Image replacement with hover effect, not in a nav list
Jen, Can you point a link to an example? I would love to see this effect. TIA, Elli V --- J Siegfried [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, i answered my own question. i used this approach: pa href=somelink.html id=somenamespanText to be replaced/span/a/p I then gave the a a background image, and on hover, adjusted the background position to show the hover state. And finished by giving the span a display:block; and text-indent:-px; granted, i haven't yet checked in the evil IE twins, 6 and 7, but all is well in firefox and safari. i would think that technique is not really so far-out and crazy that it wouldn't work. thanks! jen Original message Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:58:22 -0600 From: J Siegfried [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [css-d] Image replacement with hover effect, not in a nav list To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi - i keep coming across this issue, and i can't seem to find anything in a google search ... i want to replace text with an image, and have the image change its background position on hover, but it's not part of a navlist - it's either placed under a p or floated next to a p. somehow, my brain doesn't know how to approach this if it's not part of a navlist. i keep thinking that if i wrap the hyperlink in an a and move it off the screen, then apply a background image to, say, a p, how does the background position of one element change when you hover over the other? or, if i place the background image on the a, in order to take advantage of the hover property to move the background position, do i then have to use a span to contain the text and move it off the screen? i usually avoid the IR method involving spans, but maybe this is just the way to do this technique, i don't know. i am probably thinking about it all wrong, or making it more complicated than it really is... can someone point me to a link, if you have one, that might address this specific issue? all i've been able to find is regarding navigation lists. thanks in advance! jen __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ My Sites: www.jadynteal.com www.eliazer.com www.e7flux.com Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Site Check in IE Please
Hi Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct? http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/ http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css Thanks. -- Rich http://www.cregy.co.uk Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Romans 12 v 1 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please
Richard Brown wrote: Hi Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct? http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/ http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css Thanks. Yes, that's correct. I haven't looked at your CSS, but are you taking into account that unless fixed, IE6 will add 3px 'gutters' to your columns if they are floated. That could be what's forcing the right-hand column down there. -- http://antanova.blogspot.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please
Jason Crosse wrote: Richard Brown wrote: Hi Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct? http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/ http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css Thanks. Yes, that's correct. I haven't looked at your CSS, but are you taking into account that unless fixed, IE6 will add 3px 'gutters' to your columns if they are floated. That could be what's forcing the right-hand column down there. Do you have a link to a page talking about this issue? I ran into this on a similar layout (3 column using floats) I did recently. -- Andrew Gaffney agaffney.org __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] IE 6.0 gallery spacing problems
My New site is here:http://www.philturner-uk.com/phil/portfolio.html I am slowly working through the errors however I cant look at it in IE 6 and 7 but I know there is something throwing out the spacing on the gallery divs (thanks for the screen shots Matthew) at the bottom as well as the e-mail and phone number text areas and graphics. I dont know what is causing this any help appreciated, it looks great in firefox, Netscape, Opera, and Camino I also have a white space at the top which again I dont know what is causing that Thanks in advance, tables are starting to call to me.resist, resist Phil Turner FREELANCE DESIGNER TEL: 0161 439 1669 Chartered Graphic Designer MCSD BA Hons [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.philturner-uk.com NEW BOOK - YOUR PLANET NEEDS YOU http://www.yourplanetneedsyou.org P Please consider the environment before printing this email. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Photo-Gallery - missed thumbnails in IE6
Hi, Problem occurs at: http://www.maujorsite.com/temp/photo-gallery.html Please, load the page in *IE6* and you'll notice that some thumbnails are missed. If it loads all the thumbnails at the first time the page is loaded, please hit F5 (or reload the page) sometimes and violá, you will notice that odd issue. Does anyone knows a fix? and further: Why does it occurs? TIA Maurício Samy Silva http://www.maujor.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] I cant get list style - help!
Hi,
I would like square bullets on my left hand menu but just cant get it to
do it. I added this style to the style sheet #navlist .subnavlist
{list-style-type: square;} and that didn't do it. If anyone can help I
would be very grateful.
Mandy
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[css-d] gradient shadow not covering float
hello, on my test page here: http://www.mellonaidftp.com/ssri/test.php there is a gradient that starts below where the big brown image place holder is, where you see the breadcrumb links and printer/email a friend icons. This gradient needs to extend all the way to the right behind the third column where you see the latest news/upcoming events/Meet the Team boxes. but the gradient is stopping in front of that div. I thought it might be a float clearing issue so I added the CSS found here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html and applied class=clearfix to the divs involved, but this doesn't seem to fix the problem. The gradient still does not continue behind the 'InformationColumn' div. any suggestions? the full CSS is here: http://www.mellonaidftp.com/ssri/CSS/main.css thanks in advance! -- ::Bruce:: __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Urgent help required!
Hi I have a design review tomorrow PM with a site and I need some urgent help getting something to be IE6 compliant. The pages are: http://pkl.net/~toasty/site/process_Test.htm http://pkl.net/~toasty/site/home.htm http://pkl.net/~toasty/site/quality.htm I have no problems with Firefox or Opera, or even IE7 for the most part. It's just damned IE6. We are not supporting IE5.5, thankfully. If there's anything you can suggest or help me with I will be eternally grateful. Specific problems 3 column layout breaks (IE6) - columns aren't right colours, etc. Menu breaks (IE6) Banner image header drops on resize (IE6) Green arrow bullets in centre column don't drop as expected (IE7) - right column floats over them. Thank you! Regards, MP This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] I cant get list style - help!
Mandy,
Have you tried qualifying your class
#navlist li.subnavlist {
list-style-type: square;
}
If you can send a link it'd be easier to troubleshoot
I would like square bullets on my left hand menu but just cant get it to
do it. I added this style to the style sheet #navlist .subnavlist
{list-style-type: square;} and that didn't do it. If anyone can help I
would be very grateful.
--
Susan R. Grossman
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[css-d] List problem
Good evening list, i have a nav menu that uses a class called active to indicate the current page. The class uses a background image but i can't seem to set the distance between the image and the links. I've been experimenting with both margins and padding but to no avail. It's been puzzling me to death. page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/MP/Pages/metalica css: http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/MP/Styles/metallica.css Here's how it should look like: http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/MP/Pages/werkendvoorbeeldcsslist2 -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.3 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. “My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people.” Orson Welles - actor, writer, director. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
