Re: [css-d] Safari background issue

2007-09-20 Thread Ingo Chao
Mark Senff wrote:
 I use a PC so I can't test it in Safari -- hopefully we will hear
 that less and less now that the Windows version of Safari is pretty
 much 99% the same as the Mac version. ;)
 

That's not correct; you can't test a Safari 2.0.4 issue with the Safari 
3.0 beta
http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/uamatrix.html

The site is broken as described in Safari 2.0.4. With cleared cache, the 
bg-image appears at the wanted position, but then a horizontal scrollbar 
of +100% runs in and the bg moves to the right.

Removing the #topnav fixes the issue (or applying position:absolute to 
it), maybe someone has time to hunt this down.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] Safari background issue

2007-09-20 Thread Ingo Chao
Seona Bellamy wrote:
 
 http://www.subaru.com.au/about-subaru/subaru-advantage/ .


Got it. The topnav is followed by an empty clearing element.

Inserting a quick fix seems to solve the issue, at least on my local 
testcase.

div style=clear: both;Hello List/div
div id=bannerswf style=overflow: hidden; position: relative;

(its the empty clearing div directly before the swf, not the other one 
some lines above)

Can you confirm?

Ingo


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Re: [css-d] Safari background issue

2007-09-20 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Ingo Chao wrote:

 That's not correct; you can't test a Safari 2.0.4 issue with the  
 Safari
 3.0 beta
 http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/uamatrix.html

Officially...
But this helps for OS X users.
http://michelf.com/projects/multi-safari/
Those builds work as advertised, even if you have 'updated' to the  
Safari 3 beta build.

(builds can be very hard to download. If anyone has spare disk-space 
+bandwidth, I'm sure some help would be appreciated.)


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Re: [css-d] text leaders

2007-09-20 Thread Alex Robinson
  I would like to have solid color leader before some text:

In addition to Georg's (as always) sterling efforts, the css-d wiki 
has a few takes on dot leaders.

   http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=DotLeaders

It should be fairly easy to figure out how to transform them from 
dotted to solid leaders...
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Re: [css-d] site distortion in IE6

2007-09-20 Thread Thijs Hakkenberg
Ah, the problem seems to be typo3's generated xml? Thanks, I'll try to 
exclude that in the generation of the html.


Thanks for the speedy reply!

David Laakso schreef:

Thijs Hakkenberg wrote:
  

Dear list,

This site http://gerbrigseidel.nl/ and it's template 
http://gerbrigseidel.nl/fileadmin/template/simpleDesign/ both validate 
as w3c compliant, and the template show up fine on both IE6 and 
FF1.5/2.0. The rendered frontpage however get's distorted in IE6; it's 
not aligned anymore for example.


Any clues?

Thijs Hakkenberg




This is your file[1] with the xml declaration deleted so IE6 is no longer in 
quirks and with only your style.css embedded.

Looks pretty much the same to me in, but I may be missing something, in: 


Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.7) Gecko/20070914 
Firefox/2.0.0.7

and IE6 and IE7.

[1]

http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/cet1.html

Best,

~dL







  
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Re: [css-d] Safari background issue

2007-09-20 Thread Nick Fitzsimons

On 20 Sep 2007, at 07:37, Ingo Chao wrote:

 Mark Senff wrote:
 I use a PC so I can't test it in Safari -- hopefully we will hear
 that less and less now that the Windows version of Safari is pretty
 much 99% the same as the Mac version. ;)


 That's not correct; you can't test a Safari 2.0.4 issue with the  
 Safari
 3.0 beta
 http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/uamatrix.html

 The site is broken as described in Safari 2.0.4. With cleared  
 cache, the
 bg-image appears at the wanted position, but then a horizontal  
 scrollbar
 of +100% runs in and the bg moves to the right.


It works correctly on the latest WebKit nightly build, so it's a  
2.0.4 bug.

Personally I tend to use the nightly builds for testing as they run  
alongside Safari and I can't sensibly get rid of 2.0.4 by installing  
3 Beta. For example, I encountered a layout issue yesterday and by  
downloading the latest nightly was able quickly to determine that it  
was a Safari issue which was fixed on more recent builds, thereby  
saving myself the time of trying to work out if I'd done something  
wrong which was merely being tolerated by the other browsers.

If anybody out there is currently testing their stuff for Safari on  
the version 3 Beta, either Mac or Win, and thinks that if it works  
there then it's OK in Safari, I would suggest they seriously  
reconsider their position. Version 2.0.4 will be around for quite  
some time to come. Yet another browser to support... sigh /

Oh, link for those interested: http://nightly.webkit.org/

Regards,

Nick.
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Re: [css-d] Safari background issue

2007-09-20 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Sep 20, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote:

 Personally I tend to use the nightly builds for testing as they run
 alongside Safari and I can't sensibly get rid of 2.0.4 by installing
 3 Beta. For example, I encountered a layout issue yesterday and by
 downloading the latest nightly was able quickly to determine that it
 was a Safari issue which was fixed on more recent builds, thereby
 saving myself the time of trying to work out if I'd done something
 wrong which was merely being tolerated by the other browsers.

 If anybody out there is currently testing their stuff for Safari on
 the version 3 Beta, either Mac or Win, and thinks that if it works
 there then it's OK in Safari, I would suggest they seriously
 reconsider their position. Version 2.0.4 will be around for quite
 some time to come. Yet another browser to support... sigh /

I'm not so sure that relying on nightly builds is a fully accurate  
testbed for what will be Safari 3 whenever it is released.
A few weeks ago a problem with Safari 2 was mentioned on this list  
(involving floats and adjacent block formatting contexts - a problem  
that also exist in Konqueror 3.5.7). That problem did not exist in  
nightly WebKit builds, but did persist in Safari 3.0 beta. And from  
testing backwards with a few older WebKit builds, that problem was  
fixed there well before Safari 3 beta was first released.

The problem with WebKit, as I see it,  is there doesn't seem to be a  
clear cut branching policy, in the way Gecko has (which is easy to  
track in the Gecko rv numbers in the UA string).

Personally I have the Safari 3 beta installed, the standalone 2.0.0.4  
version I linked to in a previous message, and download the latest  
nightly WebKit builds. I do the same for Gecko browsers .

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Re: [css-d] Safari background issue

2007-09-20 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 20 Sep 2007, at 12:54, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

 I'm not so sure that relying on nightly builds is a fully accurate
 testbed for what will be Safari 3 whenever it is released.

I'm not suggesting that it is; just that it's a useful way of  
checking to see if an existing bug has been fixed. Obviously, being a  
nightly, there's always a chance that a regression will make a bug  
reappear, so it's worth checking in a random sprinkling of nightlies  
if a bug still appears to be present. But if, as I did, you can  
confirm that the behaviour of 2.0.4 is fixed in a later build, then  
you know that the mistake isn't in your own code and can move  
straight on to finding an implementation which _is_supported  
correctly, rather than trying to fix code that wasn't broken in the  
first place.

As for what _will_ work in Safari 3: we won't know until it's  
released. One should never trust a Beta of any product to be anything  
more than a rough guide to what the final version might be like.  
Remember, the Beta isn't released as a platform for web developers to  
work to, imagining that they can make sure that their sites work in  
Safari 3: it's so the community can test and report suspected bugs to  
the WebKit and Safari teams.

Remember when IE 7 Beta 2 came out and people started publishing  
articles on their blogs about how to get things working correctly on  
it? Wasted effort, all of it; they should have been reporting bugs,  
not devising workarounds which were redundant in the finished  
product. It's the same with Safari 3; the time to start testing _our_  
work is when the final version is released. Until that date we are  
testing _Apple's_ work.

Regards,

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[css-d] change colour of bullet on rollover

2007-09-20 Thread Clare AM Green
Hello Everyone!

I've been a member of this group for a couple of weeks now - this is the first 
time I've posted. I was really pleased to find a CSS group like this!

My question at the moment is how can I change the colour of a bullet on 
rollover?

I'm using the following code and really don't want to use images:

ul.products {
 line-height: normal;
 padding: 0px 0px 0px 5px;
 margin: 3px 0px 4px 15px;
 font-size: 12px;
 color: #FF5937;
 font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
  }
ul.products a:link, ul.products a:visited, ul.products a:active {
 font-size:10px;
 font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
 font-weight: bold;
 color:#99
 }
ul.products a:hover {
 font-size: 10px;
 font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
 font-weight: bold;
 color: #FF;
 }

Regards,

Clare Green.
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Re: [css-d] Mad CSS skillz!

2007-09-20 Thread Schuyler Towne
Les Mizzell wrote:
 Be amazed...
 
 http://www.xefer.com/maze-generator

It says rendered with only HTML / CSS and I was ready to witness a 
miracle, but it's still javascript doing the actual rendering.

Also - it appears to have trouble printing large mazes (mazes that would 
cross over more than 1 page)
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Re: [css-d] Mad CSS skillz!

2007-09-20 Thread Jon Hughes
 It says rendered with only HTML / CSS and I was ready to witness a
 miracle, but it's still javascript doing the actual rendering.
 


Yea, that disappointed me as well.  It shouldn't auto-solve, it should
simply put those dots in on :hover (or make them anchored links, then
use :visited so they stay on the page) so you can finish it yourself.
Then it could be all CSS.
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Re: [css-d] text leaders

2007-09-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Since William presented something to me [off-list] that doesn't work too
well when subjected to font-resizing and not at all in IE6, I've taken
the subject a bit further and dragged IE6 and IE7 - kicking and
screaming - into the realm of CSS...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_23.html

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Re: [css-d] Mad CSS skillz!

2007-09-20 Thread Schuyler Towne
Jon Hughes wrote:

 Yea, that disappointed me as well.  It shouldn't auto-solve, it should
 simply put those dots in on :hover (or make them anchored links, then
 use :visited so they stay on the page) so you can finish it yourself.
 Then it could be all CSS.
 

That! Would be very clever. That's really really really clever in fact. 
:) With your blessing I might try to develop that bit.
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Re: [css-d] Mad CSS skillz!

2007-09-20 Thread Jon Hughes
 That! Would be very clever. That's really really really clever in
fact.
 :) With your blessing I might try to develop that bit.

HTH! :)
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[css-d] IE Navigation Flicker (non-bg-image related)

2007-09-20 Thread John Gribben
Hello,

 

I'm trying to put together a liquid primary navigation panel (five items,
with each li assigned 20% width), and it is working fine on Firefox, but
on IE 6-7, the last item on the right is flickering:

 

http://windows.pedrera.com/clients/pedrera/nav/

 

It seems as though IE considers the last item to be just on the edge of the
acceptable width for the list.

 

Does anybody know how to address this problem?

 

Thanks,

John

 

John Gribben

Pedrera, Inc.

215 348 7446

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http://www.pedrera.com http://www.pedrera.com/ 

 

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Re: [css-d] text leaders

2007-09-20 Thread William M Conlon
First, my apologies to the list, as I hadn't intended my reply to be  
private.

Secondly, WOW!  Georg always impresses me with his knowledge and  
thoroughness.

best,
bill
On Sep 20, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

 Since William presented something to me [off-list] that doesn't  
 work too
 well when subjected to font-resizing and not at all in IE6, I've taken
 the subject a bit further and dragged IE6 and IE7 - kicking and
 screaming - into the realm of CSS...
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_23.html

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Re: [css-d] hasLayout problem?

2007-09-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kenny Graham wrote:
 IE6 keeps dying horribly in a fire when it's resized on this page I'm
  working on...  anyone know how to fix it?  Please?  :)
 
 http://www.trademarkads.org/brookhaven/site/

Basic fix:
* html body {
position: relative;
}

...to make elements relate to body instead of html/window.

Then add as you see fit...
* html #headwrap,
* html #middlewrap,
* html #middle,
* html #subnav li a {
height: 1%;
}
* html #head {
height: 171px;
}
* html #content {
height: 550px;
}

I didn't bother to download/use the 'ie7-standard-p.js', so I used all
the above styles.

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[css-d] Not that good at tables

2007-09-20 Thread juliann wheeler

Does anyone else want to take a stab at this?

Here's the problem:
I am creating an HTML email (So I have to use tables instead of CSS)

Here is my original design:

http://www.pcg-advisors.com/Newsletter/pcgnewsletter9_07_p2_is.html

It looks great in Firefox, but in IE there is a large gap of white space 
after the third paragraph and the next header Representative PCGA Deals.  
And other similar white gaps of space further down the page.


Someone suggested that I should not put the whole thing in one table, so I 
broke up the content into three tables (one for the header, one for the 
column on the left, and one for the column on the right).


See new layout with three tables:

http://www.pcg-advisors.com/tests/test.html

I wasn't happy with this one because I wanted the purple table to go to the 
right of the yellow, not below it.


Anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks!

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