Re: [css-d] IE7 problem with lists (other?) next to floated items

2008-01-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jeff Blaine wrote:
 I guess what I am saying is that I am looking for the generalized 
 solution, not the solution to the test case page+image as static 
 files.  The test case exists only to show the problem.

 http://www.kickflop.net/csstest/

In general:
1: eliminate all browser-default differences - especially for lists.
2: line up elements with basic styles.
3: introduce 'Block formatting contexts'[1] / 'hasLayout'[2] where needed.

This will result in something like...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/jb/test_08_0129.html
...where source-code is your original and styles are altered to assure
the same rendering in IE6, IE7, Fx2, Op9, Saf3, etc.

 From there you can tune individual styles to make it fit any case with
somewhat similar use of elements.

regards
Georg

[1]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#block-formatting
[2]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
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Re: [css-d] Menu padding issue

2008-01-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Joanne wrote:
 http://dragonflytanks.com.au/newnav/
 
 I have stripped the bulk of the code out, but can't get the
 positioning quite right or the height of the background-colour on
 mouse over.

 Can someone point me in the right direction?

The addition of...

#navigation a {float: left;}

...will give you the necessary height control.

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[css-d] Menu padding issue

2008-01-29 Thread Joanne
Currently I have been using PVII's PMM for this websites navigation
http://www.dragonflytanks.com.au/ and I need to strip it out because it's
clashing with a form handling script I'm using (and since I'm not using the
drop down menu portion, it's not actually necessary on this site).

The stripped down version is currently at
http://dragonflytanks.com.au/newnav/ 

I have stripped the bulk of the code out, but can't get the positioning
quite right or the height of the background-colour on mouse over. (I'm
pretty sure it's a top/bottom padding issue, but the padding I have in there
isn't working - so I'm obviously missing something important).

Short of cheating and creating images, I'm missing something with the CSS
but I don't know what it is. 

In the #navigation a section:

When I use 
display: block; 
- I get the height I need but only one of the navigation items appear.
 
When I use 
display: inline; 
- I get all the nav items but not the height.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks.

Joanne
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Re: [css-d] IE7 problem with lists (other?) next to floated items

2008-01-29 Thread Jeff Blaine
This is exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks Georg!

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 Jeff Blaine wrote:
 I guess what I am saying is that I am looking for the generalized 
 solution, not the solution to the test case page+image as static 
 files.  The test case exists only to show the problem.
 
 http://www.kickflop.net/csstest/
 
 In general:
 1: eliminate all browser-default differences - especially for lists.
 2: line up elements with basic styles.
 3: introduce 'Block formatting contexts'[1] / 'hasLayout'[2] where needed.
 
 This will result in something like...
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/jb/test_08_0129.html
 ...where source-code is your original and styles are altered to assure
 the same rendering in IE6, IE7, Fx2, Op9, Saf3, etc.
 
  From there you can tune individual styles to make it fit any case with
 somewhat similar use of elements.
 
 regards
 Georg
 
 [1]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#block-formatting
 [2]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
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Re: [css-d] IE7 problem with lists (other?) next to floated items

2008-01-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jeff Blaine wrote:
 This is exactly what I was looking for.
 
 Thanks Georg!

You're welcome.

Note: I left what looks like a couple of typos in the styles for my
example. It was a non-valid quickie I often use during testing.
For correct styles, please reload my example...

 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/jb/test_08_0129.html

regards
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Re: [css-d] Menu background not aligned in IE

2008-01-29 Thread Jeff Blaine
FF2 and IE7 show the menu the same for me.  Can you elaborate
on the problem?

Bill Stemp wrote:
 Please refer to: http://www.pielows.co.za/highlights.htm
 
 The left-hand menu has a background fill that does not align in IE, 
 although fine in FF.
 
 Can anyone please advise?
 
 Many thanks,
 
 Bill
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[css-d] IE7 needs both width and min-width

2008-01-29 Thread Jason Crosse
After a day of plenty of swearing, I seem to have found something 
out that I think I should have known about before. I'm posting in 
the hope it will help out some other hapless web developer and 
prevent some nasty monitor-forehead interfacing.

For some reason, I know not why, after making a small change to an 
html page, IE7 stopped picking up some percentage widths (for 
floated elements). After a lot of swearing, I found out that 
sometimes, to even pick up a width, IE7 needs *both* a min-width and 
width. As I was using percentages that was not a hassle - so for 
example the rule

 float:left; width: 25.5%;

was having no effect: the width of the element was shrinking down to 
the width of its content, while on IE6, Opera, Safari and Firefox 
everything was fine. Adding a min-width thus

 float:left; width:25.5%; min-width:25.5%;

Sorted everything out. So now everything's hunky dory. I'm sure most 
of you on this list will have known about this and I'm quite 
surprised I haven't come across it before. That's part of the joy of 
the job, I suppose: after the frustration comes the satisfaction of 
learning something new and solving a problem.
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Re: [css-d] Struggling to get height to 100%

2008-01-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 On Behalf Of Chris Brummel
 
 Hey, I'm trying to get two columns to extend to the bottom of my
 layout.
 
 I apply a height of 100% to the two columns (sidebar  posts) and
 height: auto !important; min-height: 100%; to the container, but
 I'm having no luck.  The columns only extend to the end of their
 content and no longer. Both columns are being floated to the left.
 
 The page can be viewed here (in progress - I've only looked at it in
 Firefox so far): http://chrisbrummel.com
 
 I've looked at trying to adapt other people's layouts, but I haven't
 been able to find one that matches what I need.
 
 Any ideas?

You could try this approach:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/float-less_css_layouts.asp

that should let you paint background colors from top to bottom regardless of
content (and without using an image nor script).


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[css-d] Menu background not aligned in IE

2008-01-29 Thread Bill Stemp
Please refer to: http://www.pielows.co.za/highlights.htm

The left-hand menu has a background fill that does not align in IE, 
although fine in FF.

Can anyone please advise?

Many thanks,

Bill
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Re: [css-d] Struggling to get height to 100%

2008-01-29 Thread David Laakso
Chris Brummel wrote:
 I'm trying to get two columns to extend to the bottom of my layout.

 http://chrisbrummel.com


 Thanks,
 Chris

   



There are a number of ways to get any column longest.

One of them is to create a faux column using a repeated background image:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns

Best,

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Re: [css-d] [css-d ] IE and background,IE and imbeded DIV

2008-01-29 Thread Valerie Wininger
John,

Your site doesn't validate, so that is the first thing I would work on.
From what I saw, there were some missing closing tags and also some extra
closing tags in there.  There was a css error also.

Valerie

On Jan 29, 2008 2:46 AM, John Leishman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Could some one please have a look at this site. In FF it works as
 intended but IE ..
 No graded background, a DIV imbedded in a wrapper is outside and
 right of same. As it's a menu system that ' opens ' to the right ...
 no menus visible!

 I've been looping around attempting every thing I can see in the
 archive I have of this list and googling madly, but getting nowhere.
 Could some kind genius with a couple of minutes have a look at
 http://www32smallshipsqn.org.au/demo/Dec29 for me and point out where
 I've screwed up..

 Pretty please

 John

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[css-d] [css-d ] IE and background,IE and imbeded DIV

2008-01-29 Thread John Leishman

Could some one please have a look at this site. In FF it works as 
intended but IE ..
No graded background, a DIV imbedded in a wrapper is outside and 
right of same. As it's a menu system that ' opens ' to the right ... 
no menus visible!

I've been looping around attempting every thing I can see in the 
archive I have of this list and googling madly, but getting nowhere.
Could some kind genius with a couple of minutes have a look at 
http://www32smallshipsqn.org.au/demo/Dec29 for me and point out where 
I've screwed up..

Pretty please

John

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Re: [css-d] Struggling to get height to 100%

2008-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Be sure you have:

html, body {
height:100%;
}

Then you have to be sure any parents you have are also 100% so the 
sidebars (as children) will follow that rule.

However, it probably won't accomplish what you want.  What it'll do is 
extend to the height of the browser window - so if your sidebars are 
longer, they'll get cut off at the bottom.

if you're trying to extend a background image or something (sorry, I 
didn't look at the site!) then you're better off with other options - 
like the faux-column method, or using the outer container to hold the 
sidebars and background image and adjusting the positioning with margins 
and padding.

Hope that helps!

~Shelly
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[css-d] Struggling to get height to 100%

2008-01-29 Thread Chris Brummel
Hey, I'm trying to get two columns to extend to the bottom of my layout.

I apply a height of 100% to the two columns (sidebar  posts) and  
height: auto !important; min-height: 100%; to the container, but  
I'm having no luck.  The columns only extend to the end of their  
content and no longer. Both columns are being floated to the left.

The page can be viewed here (in progress - I've only looked at it in  
Firefox so far): http://chrisbrummel.com

I've looked at trying to adapt other people's layouts, but I haven't  
been able to find one that matches what I need.

Any ideas?
Thanks,
Chris
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Re: [css-d] Struggling to get height to 100%

2008-01-29 Thread Chris Brummel
After restructuring my markup based off of Jim Davis' recommendations,  
I was able to get the foux columns to extend by faking the  
background color as an image in the parent columns.

Good tips everyone, and thanks for pointing me to the faux column  
resources.

-Chris


On Jan 29, 2008, at Jan 29, 8:45 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:

 On Behalf Of Chris Brummel

 Hey, I'm trying to get two columns to extend to the bottom of my
 layout.

 I apply a height of 100% to the two columns (sidebar  posts) and
 height: auto !important; min-height: 100%; to the container, but
 I'm having no luck.  The columns only extend to the end of their
 content and no longer. Both columns are being floated to the left.

 The page can be viewed here (in progress - I've only looked at it in
 Firefox so far): http://chrisbrummel.com

 I've looked at trying to adapt other people's layouts, but I haven't
 been able to find one that matches what I need.

 Any ideas?

 You could try this approach:
 http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/float-less_css_layouts.asp

 that should let you paint background colors from top to bottom  
 regardless of
 content (and without using an image nor script).


 -- 
 Regards,
 Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com







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Re: [css-d] Struggling to get height to 100%

2008-01-29 Thread Luc
Good afternoon David, 
It was foretold that on 29/01/2008 @ 09:07:43 GMT-0500 (which was
12:07:43 where I live) David Laakso would write:

snipped a bit

 There are a number of ways to get any column longest.

As a 99% lurker i'm taking the opportunity to jump in here because
the topic interests me also.

I've got a page where i've put a border around the wrapper because
everything extends nicely to the bottom of the viewport on my res but
not on a high res monitor as i've been told. They stop well above the bottom of
the viewport. So i had to put a bottom border on the wrapper so that it
looks closed off.

So, any solution would be appreciated for future reference, or is the
faux column the only full-proof method to go?

For those who are interested in a visual look, here's an example:

http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/index.html

http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Styles/MP.css

(just including the css for doing the right thing :-) )

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[css-d] Safari reading IE comments

2008-01-29 Thread jeffrey morin
Hi everyone,
Has anyone ever come across a case where Safari will actually read what is
in your IE conditional comments? i have never seen this before but am
getting that now. IE conditionals are being used to deliver certain jsp
files to certain versions but safari is just treating it like the comment
isn't there. WEIRD! if anyone has had something like this happen and has any
idea what's going on please email me. i'm on digest so you can just email me
directly.

Thanks so much
Jeff
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Re: [css-d] Safari reading IE comments

2008-01-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:css-d-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeffrey morin
 Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:39 PM
 To: CSS-Discuss List
 Subject: [css-d] Safari reading IE comments
 
 Hi everyone,
 Has anyone ever come across a case where Safari will actually read what
 is
 in your IE conditional comments? i have never seen this before but am
 getting that now. IE conditionals are being used to deliver certain jsp
 files to certain versions but safari is just treating it like the
 comment
 isn't there. WEIRD! if anyone has had something like this happen and
 has any
 idea what's going on please email me. i'm on digest so you can just
 email me
 directly.

Safari only? What about Firefox?
Does your CC contain any --?

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Re: [css-d] IE6 and overflow hidden problem

2008-01-29 Thread David Laakso
Phillip Cavaco wrote:
 Hi guys, lately I've being working a lot with overflow hidden.
 But sometimes I have problems with IE6 (it doesn't set the overflow to
 hidden). Till now I solved the most of them but theres one still ahahah


 In other browsers works great. I little help please.

 Phillip

   


A clickable link to the page or a test page would help. Not sure. Try:
* html #agenda-prev,
* html #agenda-next{
border: 1px solid red;
 overflow:visible;
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[css-d] Site not playing right in IE6

2008-01-29 Thread Brian Jones
Hi,

I am developing a site ( http://fatusboutique.com/index2.php ) and it
displays fine in FF and IE7..I came to work today and on friends
computer who still has the old IE, I realized that its not displaying
correctly..It seems like the #right div is dropping and not floating
to the right...can anyone help me out with this?

Here's the CSS
http://fatusboutique.com/css/eb.css

Also does anyone know how i can have IE7 and the older versions on IE
on my computer at the same time so I can test.

Thanx

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Re: [css-d] Presentation vs content issue for interlinear text

2008-01-29 Thread Jim Davis
Have you thought of using a definition list?

dl
   dtOriginal text/dt
ddTranslated text/dd
  dtOriginal text/dt
   ddTranslated text/dd
/dl

You can use css to style the dl dt and dd elements.

Jim

On Jan 29, 2008 10:32 AM, T. R. Valentine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm working on a project to display interlinear text (original
 language with a very literal word-by-word translation immediately
 below). The only presentation which my poor imagination can conceive
 is to place each word in a separate cell with the translating word in
 a separate cell immediately below (centring the text in every cell to
 maintain alignment). But this would make searching for phrases (in
 either language) impossible.


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Re: [css-d] Extra vertical space between LI elements in IE :: correction

2008-01-29 Thread Erik Domingo
Thanks for the tips, David. Adding the display:inline to the #nav-main li
element did the trick of removing the extra bottom margin. Unfortunately,
I'm still working on getting the background image for the element to display
properly, but hopefully I can work that out myself.

Thanks also for all the other responses - always nice to get some advice
from fellow CSSers :)

On Jan 25, 2008 3:25 PM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 David Laakso wrote:
  Erik Domingo wrote:
 
  Validated the markup - except for an issue with a bit of javascript in
 the
  footer, the page is valid Strict XHTML. I also tried removing all the
  whitespace between LI tags, but the extra vertical space is still
 showing
  in IE6  7.
 
  Erik
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Should read:

 In reference toyour uri: http://bdsredesign.bluelangroup.net/index.php

 Good.

 The fix for the evil ones on a local file in XP/IE6.0 and IE7.0 on Mac
 OS X 10.4.11 is:

 #nav-main li {
 height : 17px;  :: delete ::
 margin : 0 0 3.5px 0;  :: delete ::
 margin: 0 0 0.5em 0;  :: add ::
 }

 And add these selectors to target IE 6  7 (and tweak as necessary):

 * html #nav-main li {
 dislpay: inline;
 margin-bottom: 0;
 } /*fix for IE6*/

 *:first-child+html #nav-main li {
 dislpay: inline;
 margin-bottom: 0;
 } /*fix for IE7*/

 HTH.
 Best,

 ~dL:



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[css-d] Presentation vs content issue for interlinear text

2008-01-29 Thread T. R. Valentine
I'm working on a project to display interlinear text (original
language with a very literal word-by-word translation immediately
below). The only presentation which my poor imagination can conceive
is to place each word in a separate cell with the translating word in
a separate cell immediately below (centring the text in every cell to
maintain alignment). But this would make searching for phrases (in
either language) impossible.

Can anyone here with a more creative mind think of another means of
presentation?


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Re: [css-d] Site not playing right in IE6

2008-01-29 Thread David Laakso

 Brian Jones wrote:
   
 I am developing a site ( http://fatusboutique.com/index2.php ) and it
 displays fine in FF and IE7..I came to work today and on friends
 computer who still has the old IE, I realized that its not displaying
 correctly..It seems like the #right div is dropping and not floating
 to the right...can anyone help me out with this?
 

   



FWIW:

In addition to what Georg Sortun wrote, Tidy On-line [1] will help 
correct some of these [2]:


[1] http://infohound.net/tidy/
[2] 
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffatusboutique.com%2Findex2.php

And changing the font-size from 0.7em to 70% in the body declaration 
will keep IE from going goofy at anything other than text-size medium.
If you changed 0.7em to 100% I would be able to read it.


Best,

~dL

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Re: [css-d] Site not playing right in IE6

2008-01-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Brian Jones wrote:
 I am developing a site ( http://fatusboutique.com/index2.php ) and it
 displays fine in FF and IE7..I came to work today and on friends
 computer who still has the old IE, I realized that its not displaying
 correctly..It seems like the #right div is dropping and not floating
 to the right...can anyone help me out with this?

Add...

* html #left{display: inline;}

...to kill the old margin-doubling on floats bug, and...

* html #right {overflow-x: hidden;}

...to make IE6 (and older IE/win) respect declared dimensions.

That will give the intended line-up in IE6.

regards
Georg
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Re: [css-d] Nested menus in Joomla 1.5

2008-01-29 Thread Nancy E. Sosna Bohm
 Joomla 1.5 ...
 What I want to do...
 
 1. A ...menu item will have... 
the background will change on hover.  
 
 2. ...If the parent is not active, 
i.e. unexpanded, it will have a right arrow, if 
it is expanded it will have a down arrow.
 ...
 
  
ul class=menu
  ...

  li id=current class=parent active item53 !-- Active parent -- 
a href=#spanAbout the Club/span/a 
ul 
  li class=item72 
a href=#spanDocuments/span/a 
  /li 
/ul
  /li 

  li class=parent item74 !-- Inactive parent -- 
a href=#spanThe Schools Programme/span/a
  /li
/ul 
 ...

On a Joomla 1.0x site I did something similar with background-color instead
of images:
http://www.cclf.org/content/view/45/205/

In your CSS you declare:
li.parent {background-image:url(/images/rightarrow.gif);}
li#current {background-image:url(/images/downarrow.gif);}

The id will take precedence over the class.
--Nancy

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[css-d] extra padding in Safari

2008-01-29 Thread Rebecca Richter
Hi!

 

Anyone have a clue why I have a little extra margin or padding on either
side of the content table on this page:
http://www.montola.com/buy/index.html? Only happens in Safari, that I know
of.

 

Thanks!

 

Becca

 

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Re: [css-d] [css-d ] IE and background,IE and imbeded DIV

2008-01-29 Thread John Leishman
As a kind person pointed out, the url, missing a full stop doesn't 
resolve. For those who had given up it's really
http://www.32smallshipsqn.org.au/demo/Dec29/


Could some kind genius with a couple of minutes have a look at
http://www32smallshipsqn.org.au/demo/Dec29 for me and point out where
I've screwed up..

Pretty please

John

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