Re: [css-d] Pixel Terror II - Pixel Strikes Back
David Laakso Wrote:
In plain English, do not impose restrictions on the software when it is not
in the users interest to do so.
#footer {
height:12px; :: delete ::
}
PS
Yet another bottom post brought to you and yours by gmail.
I hope this is not a bottom post. :s
It was the designer that have told me to put the height of the footer to 12px.
But, what you telling me is that, it’s better to leave the browser to deal with
it, and this effect can me arranged by the font-size, so, according to the
font-size, the footer will adapt and that’s better cas it avoids errors?
Thanks once again,
Márcio
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[css-d] Really need help - white spaces on zoom in using IE and FF
On IE 7 and FF 3 Im getting this weird behavior for my page (they are different behaviors, if we ZOOM IN with IE or if we do with FF: http://www.cantinho.org/test6.html the correspondent CSS is the following: http://www.cantinho.org/css/teste_V6.css Notes about the layout: This layout is not an ordinary 3 columns layout with head and footer. He has to have the ability to change the border line differently on each column, and the columns height should always be the same and follow the footer. Thats why Im glad with this layout, is CSS, no table, (but I know that there is now something like table/css correct? But I suppose IE 7 and 6 doesnt support it, right?), and no .js file, and no fake columns. So this seems nice to me anyway, if you have better suggestions I will listen to them. The issue is that white space when we use the zoom functions on IE or FF. (safari works great). Thanks a lot, I really need help on this, Ive google a lot already and Ive found nothing to help me out. :( Kind Regards, Márcio __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Pixel Terror II - Pixel Strikes Back
MEM wrote: It was the designer that have told me to put the height of the footer to 12px. But, what you telling me is that, it’s better to leave the browser to deal with it... Designers are a dime a dozen. Designers who understand the Web are few and far between. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Really need help - white spaces on zoom in using IE and FF
MEM wrote: http://www.cantinho.org/test6.html http://www.cantinho.org/css/teste_V6.css This layout is not an ordinary 3 columns layout with head and footer. He has to have the ability to change the border line differently on each column, and the columns height should always be the same and follow the footer. That's why I'm glad with this layout, is CSS, no table, (but I know that The issue is that white space when we use the zoom functions on IE or FF. Hi Márcio, For kicks, I coded the URL you submitted into TheHolierGrail framework. TheHolierGrail has support for all the border and background changing (including full-height columns) that you're seeking and has been tested in quite a few browser/os combinations. You can find a version with all of the code for TheHolierGrail here: Link: http://theholiergrail.com/cssd/cantinho-maximal.html Size: 3 KB (30 KB uncompressed) ...and this version contains only the code you need for your project: Link: http://theholiergrail.com/cssd/cantinho-minimal.html Size: 2 KB (11 KB uncompressed) It shouldn't break when zooming in any browser, but when stressed in IE (zooming to large text size or unbroken lengthy content like long urls) it will save itself by cutting off some content. There's a thousand arguments for and against the use of frameworks (even mine g) and I don't want to start a debate, but I thought I'd offer it up as a solution for you. I hope it helps. --Bill -- !-- ! Bill Brown - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 484-809-8077 ! WebDevelopedia.com, TheHolierGrail, MacNimble.com ! 24 Countryside Drive, Johnston, RI 02919 -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Content getting pushed out to the side
URL: www.metroatlantaproject.org CSS: www.metroatlantaproject.org/css/main.css FF3, Opera, IE7, and IE6 display the site correctly. When I open the site in Safari and Google Chrome, the body content is pushed out to the right of the containing structure. What's going on? (all browsers tested are on Windows) Thanks, Daniel Hammond Objective Designs 770-842-8817 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.objectivedesigns.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] IE6 and IE7 Correct, everyone else wrong with negative margins
Hi all, Ok, I have a problem where IE6 and IE7 are doing what I want, but the rest of the gang (FF, Safari and Chrome) are not doing what I want. Basically, I'm using negative top and bottom margins to move the top and bottom div in on the inner text. Sorry if I'm not explaining this well, but the test page will explain it much better. What's happing in IE6 and IE7 is want I want. But my natural way of thinking is if it works in IE6 and IE7 but not in the others, then I'm doing it wrong. Here's the link: http://dev.tonedeafdesign.com/test/test27.html There are two balloons on the page. The first one is without the negative margins, and you can see why I want to move the text margins, and the second one is my solution that only works in IE6 and IE7. Check it in IE6 and IE7 to see what I want, then in FF, Safari or Chrome to see the problem. The CSS is in the head. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 and IE7 Correct, everyone else wrong with negative margins
Mark Wheeler wrote:
http://dev.tonedeafdesign.com/test/test27.html
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Hi Mark,
You are experiencing collapsing margins, a semi-intended, somewhat
troublesome component of CSS design in compliant browsers.
Adding a small amount of padding or bordering will generally fix this.
Try this rule in your style sheet:
.balloon_middle {
width: 217px;
background: url(images/photo_balloon_middle_bg_slammed.png) repeat-y;
padding-top: 1px; /* ADD */
padding-bottom: 1px; /* ADD */
}
Hope it helps.
Bill
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Re: [css-d] IE6 and IE7 Correct, everyone else wrong with negative margins
Hi Mark, Your HTML has some problems (doesn't validate). Your best bet would probably be to fix those problems first and then try again. HTH Peter Hi Peter, I'm embarrassed. I usually validate all my html. It validates now, but my problem still exists. Again, any help is appreciated. Thanks, Mark __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 and IE7 Correct, everyone else wrong with negative margins
Hi Mark,
You are experiencing collapsing margins, a semi-intended, somewhat
troublesome component of CSS design in compliant browsers.
Adding a small amount of padding or bordering will generally fix
this. Try this rule in your style sheet:
.balloon_middle {
width: 217px;
background: url(images/photo_balloon_middle_bg_slammed.png)
repeat-y;
padding-top: 1px; /* ADD */
padding-bottom: 1px; /* ADD */
}
Hope it helps.
Bill
Hi Bill,
Yep! That did the trick. I've run into this before, but it was a
while back. What is it about adding the padding that does the trick?
Mark
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[css-d] hover linking sidebar backgrounds
I am still a newbie at this. I've tested this page in Safari, Opera, and Firefox (no IEs for Macs so I'll have to figure a way to test on the IE---later) and I haven't set up most of the links. I have put it through the validation and the HTML validator tells me that various ul and li tags are wrong but I can't figure out why. I'm having a problem with those of my links which I have activated and the sidebar backgrounds. The hover color for my links is supposed to be pink, not the royal blue that shows up. I had set my code up with as a, hover, and then visited then I switched it around to a, visited, and hover. It still shows up blue. What am I doing wrong? CSS test page I have two sidebars: left and right. I added a repeat-y to both of their DIV tags. Now, they end right under the last bit of text. I want them to repeat as long as the central content repeats. Is there a way to make this happen or do I need to create size-specific backgrounds for each page? Kathy __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Really need help - white spaces on zoom in using IE and FF
talofo talofo wrote: MEM wrote: http://www.cantinho.org/test6.html If I use the IE zoom fuction, I'm still having problems. :( The IE/7.0 zoom feature is a *page* zoom. This is a fundamental difference. Opera, Firefox, and Seamonkey zoom functions more as a *text* zoom. Depending on the structure of the base layout, and the content within it, IE/7's page zoom will do funny things to some pages when it zooms the page. Your page is among them. Comment out your horizontal menu, for example, zoom your page in IE/7, and you'll get the anticipated behavior you expect and anticipate-- no huge vertical gap between the content and the menu. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Really need help - white spaces on zoom in using IE and FF
2008/11/18 David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] talofo talofo wrote: MEM wrote: http://www.cantinho.org/test6.html If I use the IE zoom fuction, I'm still having problems. :( The IE/7.0 zoom feature is a *page* zoom. This is a fundamental difference. Opera, Firefox, and Seamonkey zoom functions more as a *text* zoom. Depending on the structure of the base layout, and the content within it, IE/7's page zoom will do funny things to some pages when it zooms the page. Your page is among them. Comment out your horizontal menu, for example, zoom your page in IE/7, and you'll get the anticipated behavior you expect and anticipate-- no huge vertical gap between the content and the menu. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ Thanks a lot. I will give it a try once I'm back on my computer. In firefox I have the same issue but, in this case, it makes horizontal white space between the middle columm and the right colummm. Could this also be a comment issue? Regards, Márcio __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Really need help - white spaces on zoom in using IE and FF
talofo talofo wrote: 2008/11/18 David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] talofo talofo wrote: MEM wrote: http://www.cantinho.org/test6.html If I use the IE zoom fuction, I'm still having problems. :( Thanks a lot. I will give it a try once I'm back on my computer. In firefox I have the same issue but, in this case, it makes horizontal white space between the middle columm and the right colummm. Could this also be a comment issue? Regards, Márcio I do not see the issue you refer to when scaling the fonts in Mac OS X 10.4.11 Firefox/3.0.4, and I do not know what you mean by Could this also be a comment issue. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Really need help - white spaces on zoom in using IE and FF
2008/11/18 David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] talofo talofo wrote: 2008/11/18 David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] talofo talofo wrote: MEM wrote: http://www.cantinho.org/test6.html If I use the IE zoom fuction, I'm still having problems. :( Thanks a lot. I will give it a try once I'm back on my computer. In firefox I have the same issue but, in this case, it makes horizontal white space between the middle columm and the right colummm. Could this also be a comment issue? Regards, Márcio I do not see the issue you refer to when scaling the fonts in Mac OS X 10.4.11 Firefox/3.0.4, and I do not know what you mean by Could this also be a comment issue. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ Using XP and FF 3.0.3 i'm getting the horizontal white space. Tested on two computers. You have told me that, if I remove the comment out in the navigation bar, the vertical difference will become shorter right? In this sense, I thought this was a comment issue... am I wrong? Regards, Márcio __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Content getting pushed out to the side
On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Daniel Hammond wrote:
URL: www.metroatlantaproject.org
CSS: www.metroatlantaproject.org/css/main.css
FF3, Opera, IE7, and IE6 display the site correctly. When I open the
site in
Safari and Google Chrome, the body content is pushed out to the
right of the
containing structure. What's going on?
The navigation consists of floated elements.
WebKit isn't clearing that navigation block, but puts the whole
'#content' to the right of it.
#content {clear:both} to fix.
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Re: [css-d] IE6 and IE7 Correct, everyone else wrong with negative margins
Mark Wheeler wrote: Yep! That did the trick. I've run into this before, but it was a while back. What is it about adding the padding that does the trick? Mark Hi Mark. Glad it helped. Basically, I think when you have an element with no border or padding, the margin looks like this: m m m m -- top margin sometext m m m m -- bottom margin ...which means that when it's followed by another element, it looks like this: m m m m -- top margin sometext m m m m -- bottom margin m m m m -- top margin sometext m m m m -- bottom margin ...and the margins collapse like this: m m m m -- top margin sometext -- top and bottom margin sometext m m m m -- bottom margin ...like a kind of zippering effect. When you add a border or padding, it changes the nature of the imaginary box holding the content inside an element so that the margin now looks like this: m m m m sometext -- some bottom padding will create the solid margin -- allowing this margin to exist on its own... m m m m -- ...separated from this margin here sometext m m m m -- the border on this element will do it too sometext m m m m I know the ASCII might not be the best way to demonstrate this, but hopefully, it gives you at least some idea of what's going on there with the box model. Anyway, I'm glad you were able to get it working. --Bill -- !-- ! Bill Brown - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 484-809-8077 ! WebDevelopedia.com, TheHolierGrail, MacNimble.com ! 24 Countryside Drive, Johnston, RI 02919 -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Can you start a repeating background away from the edge of it's container?
On 18-Nov-08, at 11:56 AM, Seona Bellamy wrote:
What I want is, for example, an image that repeats along the y-axis
to start 50px from the top of its container and repeat all the way
down from that
point on.
#foo { background: #000 url(background.jpg) repeat-y fixed 0 50px;}
Best,
- Rahul.
Ref: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#propdef-background-position
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Re: [css-d] Can you start a repeating background away from the edge of it's container?
On Nov 18, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
What I want is, for example, an image that repeats along the y-axis
to start 50px from the top of its container and repeat all the way
down from that
point on.
#foo { background: #000 url(background.jpg) repeat-y fixed 0 50px;}
Er, no, that won't do.
In short, with CSS 2.1 you can't do what you want, if I understand
correctly: position a background-image 50px from the top of the
container, and then repeat down from there.
When you think about: 'repeat-y' means repeat the image all over the
height of the container.
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Re: [css-d] Really need help - white spaces on zoom in using IE and FF
Thanks a lot. I will give it a try to learn more about how this works, knowing that I will never controle it. I'm use to it. I've read Plato :-) Thanks once again, Márcio 2008/11/18 David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] talofo talofo wrote: http://www.cantinho.org/test6.html Using XP and FF 3.0.3 i'm getting the horizontal white space. Tested on two computers. You have told me that, if I remove the comment out in the navigation bar, the vertical difference will become shorter right? In this sense, I thought this was a comment issue... am I wrong? Regards, Márcio There is no gap (white space) on the entire right side of the center panel with font-scaling in Mac OS 10.4.11 in Firefox/3.0.4. There is a gap (white space) on the entire right side of the center panel with font-scaling in XP Firefox/3.0.3. The below deals only with the gap you are getting with IE/7 and page zoom, and nothing at all to do with what yo are seeing in XP Firefox/3.0.3. I am suggesting that you use html comments to comment out the menu so that it is not seen by the browser, like so: !-- div class=linksprincipais id=navigationullia href=# title=HomeHome/a/lilia href=# title=CSS LibraryCSS/a/lilia href=# title=NewNew/a/lili id=currenta href=# title=RevisedRevised/a/lilia href=# title=ToolsTools/a/li lia href=# title=DHTML ForumsForums/a/li/ul/div -- The large gap /may/ go away when you view the page with page zoom in IE/7.0 if the menu is not seen by the browser. Note that I have not tried this, and that this is an untested assumption. You and your would be Web designer can attempt to control the Web from now until forever and then some. In the end she'll win. Hands down. -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Really need help - white spaces on zoom in using IE and FF
2008/11/18 Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] talofo talofo wrote: You can find a version with all of the code for TheHolierGrail here: Link: http://theholiergrail.com/cssd/cantinho-maximal.html Size: 3 KB (30 KB uncompressed) ...and this version contains only the code you need for your project: Link: http://theholiergrail.com/cssd/cantinho-minimal.html Size: 2 KB (11 KB uncompressed) Thanks a lot Bill. Unfortunaly, that has done the trick with FF but not on IE. If I use the IE zoom fuction, I'm still having problems. :( No worries. I play around with a lot of urls people submit to this list, but don't generally comment (or at least, don't /always/ comment). Anyway, IE7 requires elements to be relative positioned to maintain their well, relative positions during page zooming. I've added the fix at the top of the page which should now allow this to work properly. Bear in mind that this type of fix brings its own set of baggage, especially if you intend to work with fly-out menus of any kind. Same links as above, if you care to have another look. Best of luck! Bill -- !-- ! Bill Brown - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 484-809-8077 ! WebDevelopedia.com, TheHolierGrail, MacNimble.com ! 24 Countryside Drive, Johnston, RI 02919 -- Thanks a lot. It works! I will study a little the code and see what are the best options (leaving the zoom or put the conditional) knowing that none of them is ideal. I will post back the results in some days. Regards, Márcio. ps- David: sorry for the last reply, I forgot to bottom post. :s __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Can you start a repeating background away from the edge of it's container?
OK, I made a reply to the author here with exactly the same method as Rahul,
but will stick my correction as a lame CSS 2.1 hack here. It requires
extra markup, but works until better alternatives are available (3).
div id=foodiv id=bar/div/div
Apply repeat-y to #foo and position a corner/top (or bottom/corner)
background-image for #bar (which has no explicit content and should
have zeroed-out padding and margins).
It's worked for me a couple of times.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On Nov 18, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
What I want is, for example, an image that repeats along the y-axis
to start 50px from the top of its container and repeat all the way
down from that
point on.
#foo { background: #000 url(background.jpg) repeat-y fixed 0 50px;}
Er, no, that won't do.
In short, with CSS 2.1 you can't do what you want, if I understand
correctly: position a background-image 50px from the top of the
container, and then repeat down from there.
When you think about: 'repeat-y' means repeat the image all over the
height of the container.
Philippe
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