[css-d] firefox ignoring the background-color

2009-08-28 Thread adam ambrus
hello,
i know that similar issues are being raised in recent days, however i am
unable to find a solution to my problem.
http://www.gjh.sk/~5ambrus/adif -the site
the problem occurs, when you move the mouse to the middle item. all browsers
pop-up the menu with black text, green background-color and white border.
only firefox completely ignores the background color set to these very
items; at any other place it shows the background-color set.
if you could help me with this issue, i would appreciate it very much :)
also, if you had tipstricks how to make certain things better/simpler those
advices are also very welcome :)
thanks for any answers,
Adam
PS: i know that you are skilled and are able to view the source code of both
the html page and the CSS, but for the sake of simplicity,
http://www.gjh.sk/~5ambrus/adif/index_style.css :)
PPS: also, do you know why the IEs 'see' the parent ul item and thus
change back the image? this does not happen in FF or Opera. thx again
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Re: [css-d] firefox ignoring the background-color

2009-08-28 Thread jeffrey morin
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:25 AM, adam ambrus eidam...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello,
 i know that similar issues are being raised in recent days, however i am
 unable to find a solution to my problem.
 http://www.gjh.sk/~5ambrus/adif -the site
 the problem occurs, when you move the mouse to the middle item. all
 browsers
 pop-up the menu with black text, green background-color and white border.
 only firefox completely ignores the background color set to these very
 items; at any other place it shows the background-color set.


i'm using safari 4 on mac and am not seeing the background you're talking
about there. the popup menu seems to not work right when i hover over it
too. it disappears when i go to mouse from tretia to druha. the architecture
image also comes back when i go to the pop out menu causing the stvrta link
to get covered.


 if you could help me with this issue, i would appreciate it very much :)
 also, if you had tipstricks how to make certain things better/simpler
 those
 advices are also very welcome :)
 thanks for any answers,
 Adam
 PS: i know that you are skilled and are able to view the source code of
 both
 the html page and the CSS, but for the sake of simplicity,
 http://www.gjh.sk/~5ambrus/adif/index_style.css :)
 PPS: also, do you know why the IEs 'see' the parent ul item and thus
 change back the image? this does not happen in FF or Opera. thx again
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Re: [css-d] firefox ignoring the background-color

2009-08-28 Thread S K
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:29 PM, jeffrey morin rufus2...@gmail.com wrote:

 i'm using safari 4 on mac and am not seeing the background you're talking
 about there. the popup menu seems to not work right when i hover over it
 too. it disappears when i go to mouse from tretia to druha. the architecture
 image also comes back when i go to the pop out menu causing the stvrta link
 to get covered.


I find a similar behaviour with Google Chrome too (and FF of course).

S.K

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Re: [css-d] request: a thorough going over

2009-08-28 Thread Michael Venables

Felix,

Sorry it took so long to reply. I had mail client problems yesterday.


On 8/26/2009 10:54 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
 Ah, yes -- Linux... I have to admit, I cheated here, and this was a good
 reminder. I've got a Linux box, and I do a lot of work on it.
 Unfortunately, font support on Linux is pretty bad. So my solution was
 to install the same set of fonts I run on my Windows machines -- at
 which point everything looked really nice, and I forgot how much I hated
 it before.
  
 Installing the Windows fonts isn't much help. You don't see what Linux users
 without them see.

True, but the standard suggestion for the better part of a decade (at 
least) was to install the Windows web font pack. And it's still 
something that comes up in Google searches, so who knows how many people 
are still following that advice.

Now that I think about it, I don't really know what the font situation 
on Mac OS is, either. Should probably do a bit of looking into that.


 Linux font support has gotten much better in recent years. Most recent
 distros install DejaVu by default, and many also include Liberation. Their
 equivalents are:

 DejaVu Sans = Lucida Console = Bitstream Vera Sans
 DejaVu Sans = Verdana = Bitstream Vera Sans
 DejaVu Serif = nothing really close; larger than Georgia; size close to
 Verdana; (same as Bitstream Vera Serif)

 Liberation Mono = Lucida Console
 Liberation Sans = Arial/Helvetica
 Liberation Serif = Times New (Roman)

This is great info. Thanks!


 You also have the option of just accepting their choice of default, or just
 specifying  generic monospace, sans-serif, or serif.

I know about specifying the generics, but how do you leverage the user 
choice of default?


 I tried bumping up the line height like you suggested, but it just
 created really obnoxious rivers on my system. I'm guessing this is all
 related to the font choice(s).
  
 If you do a lot of nesting and font size adjustment, pure number line-heights
 are less likely to cause trouble:
 http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/line-height-inherit.html

That little article was fascinating.


 Your 252px limited links column is rather confusing at high resolution:
 http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-michve03.png

How interesting. I haven't seen the site do that before (except under IE6).

What tool are you using for the analysis?


 OTOH, the content paragraph lines are little on the long side, more like a
 term paper (usually double-spaced) than a book (normally single spaced with
 normal leading).

I completely agree. I've been thinking that I probably need to go back 
and cut the line length down (probably 25% at least). Your comment was 
good incentive to go back and do that.

Best,

  michael

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Re: [css-d] firefox ignoring the background-color

2009-08-28 Thread adam ambrus
thank you for replies,
Chrome and Safari are the only browsers i do not have installed on my pc,
thanks for pointing out :) i thought that webkit is webkit, but... yeah,
opera might be already using the new Presto or what.
now that we know where else this problem occurs, are there any suggestions
how to fix it? also i have to add that when the background-color is rendered
(opera  ie), the menu works fine as the mouse's focus does not drop below
the item-level (as it is prevented to do so by the background-color).
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[css-d] on to the nav

2009-08-28 Thread Greg Wilker
Okay - does anyone have a resource, tutorial, etc. that will allow me to
build the mocked-up top nav?

http://www.gorillasuits.com/HTN/

I want to stay away from jquery, etc. if possible.

TIA,
Greg

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[css-d] New site went live today

2009-08-28 Thread Sarah Atkinson
I have been working on this site for almost a year and today it when live
..YAY
http://cookbiotech.com

Check out my nice css people on the products page (rollover and click on
them)
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Re: [css-d] New site went live today

2009-08-28 Thread Theresa Mesa
Your nice CSS has 2 errors and 25 warnings, and your HTML has 5 errors  
and 1 warning.

That's cool what you did with the people, though!


Theresa




On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Sarah Atkinson wrote:

 I have been working on this site for almost a year and today it when  
 live
 ..YAY
 http://cookbiotech.com

 Check out my nice css people on the products page (rollover and  
 click on
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Re: [css-d] New site went live today

2009-08-28 Thread adam ambrus
yeah, looks good :)
however, check the source - script language=JavaScript
type=text/javascript src=
http://INSERT-DOMAIN-AND-PATH-TO-CODE-HERE/s_code.js; is taht really
neccesary ? :)

2009/8/28 Sarah Atkinson sarah.atkin...@cookmedical.com

 I have been working on this site for almost a year and today it when live
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Re: [css-d] on to the nav

2009-08-28 Thread Sarah Atkinson
On 8/28/09 2:41 PM, Greg Wilker jer...@well.com wrote:

 Okay - does anyone have a resource, tutorial, etc. that will allow me to
 build the mocked-up top nav?
 
 http://www.gorillasuits.com/HTN/
 
 I want to stay away from jquery, etc. if possible.
 
 TIA,
 Greg

-
Well PVII has some nice plugins for Dreamweaver you might try those out. I
usually use them as a base then customize the daylights out of them. They do
use some javascript for drop downs
Do you need dropdowns?

If not horizontal lists are the way to go...
http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/csstopmenu.shtml
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/ --really good resource

And of course good old eric meyers lists
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal04.htm
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal05.htm

On a design note---
I suggest loosing or at lease only casually date the rounded borders. These
can be a nightmare in CSS  Well in IE anyway.



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Re: [css-d] New site went live today

2009-08-28 Thread jeffrey morin
Hey Sarah,
when i click the different parts of the people links nothing happens in
Safari 4.

Jeff

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Re: [css-d] on to the nav

2009-08-28 Thread jeffrey morin
Greg if you are looking for a fairly simple nav with JavaScript then jQuery
is a great resource to use. Their css selector support is great and it's a
fun library to work with to really enhance the front-end of your sites.
Best,
Jeff

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Greg Wilker jer...@well.com wrote:

 Okay - does anyone have a resource, tutorial, etc. that will allow me to
 build the mocked-up top nav?

 http://www.gorillasuits.com/HTN/

 I want to stay away from jquery, etc. if possible.

 TIA,
 Greg

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Re: [css-d] on to the nav

2009-08-28 Thread David Laakso
Greg Wilker wrote:
 Okay - does anyone have a resource, tutorial, etc. that will allow me to
 build the mocked-up top nav?

 http://www.gorillasuits.com/HTN/

 I want to stay away from jquery, etc. if possible.

 TIA,
 Greg
   




In no particular order:

http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/default.asp
http://sperling.com/examples/new-menuh/
http://www.positioniseverything.net/css-dropdowns.html

Suggestion:
Build your menu on a clean sheet. Once it is working in the browsers you 
intend to hit, move it into position within your page, and then again 
test it from there

Best,
Quasimodo

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Re: [css-d] request: a thorough going over

2009-08-28 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/08/28 08:22 (GMT-0700) Michael Venables composed:

 Felix Miata wrote:

 Installing the Windows fonts isn't much help. You don't see what Linux users
 without them see.

 True, but the standard suggestion for the better part of a decade (at 
 least) was to install the Windows web font pack. 

Of course.

 And it's still
 something that comes up in Google searches, so who knows how many people 
 are still following that advice.

That's exactly my point. Plenty don't, because they refuse to have anything
to do with anything from M$, or don't want to install any optional or
external source software.

If you do have them installed, you have a poor idea what those who do not are
seeing.

 Now that I think about it, I don't really know what the font situation 
 on Mac OS is, either. Should probably do a bit of looking into that.

I did a fresh Tiger install last week, and immediately updated to 10.4.11. I
installed no other software except for SeaMonkey 1.1.7  Firefox 3.5.2. This
left me with 100% of the M$ web fonts installed.

 You also have the option of just accepting their choice of default, or just
 specifying  generic monospace, sans-serif, or serif.

 I know about specifying the generics, but how do you leverage the user 
 choice of default?

Not sure what you mean by leverage. With browsers other than IE, specifying
only a generic will allow the visitor to see used whatever his defaults are
set to. With IE, specifying only generics will allow the visitor to see the
defaults M$ hard-coded into the browser: Courier new for monospace, Times New
Roman for serif, and Arial for sans-serif. Safari (v4.0.3 at least) will use
its user-selectable monospace default if the requested font(s) are not
available, same as the Geckos, but when the requested serif or sans-serif
fonts are not available, it will supply the user-selectable default
proportional, regardless whether that default is a serif or a sans-serif, and
regardless whether the requested type of font is a serif or a sans-serif.

http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-face-samples-cdef.html might be useful in
confirming for yourself.

Note too that anytime Helvetica is requested on Windows, it is treated as if
the request had been for Arial, which means all the following on Windows
render identically:

font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif
font-family: helvetica, sans-serif
font-family: helvetica, 'lucida sans unicode', 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif
font-family: sans-serif

 Your 252px limited links column is rather confusing at high resolution:
 http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-michve03.png

 How interesting. I haven't seen the site do that before (except under IE6).

 What tool are you using for the analysis?

My eyes? What analysis?
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Re: [css-d] New site went live today

2009-08-28 Thread David Laakso
Sarah Atkinson wrote:
 I have been working on this site for almost a year and today it when live
 ..YAY
 http://cookbiotech.com

 Check out my nice css people on the products page (rollover and click on
 them)
   



Sarah,

All in all I think the site looks good. It may be good idea to spend 
some time doing further testing and fine-tuning.

Some things you might look tnto:

-- validation of all pages
-- is the space above and below the top dotted border intentional?
-- slow initial load/ slow page to page load
-- define a background-color-- not all users default to white
-- check all pages with font-scaling in all browsers
::  home page content passes under image
::  all pages -- footer right/float drop
::  contact page-- stuff in right block walks out the bottom of it
::  too early breaking of top nav?
--  IE/8 contact page broken
-- IE/8 footer appears to not be cleared on all pages
-- Check IE 6/7 for any or all above


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Re: [css-d] request: a thorough going over

2009-08-28 Thread Michael Venables
On 8/28/2009 3:26 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
 Now that I think about it, I don't really know what the font situation
 on Mac OS is, either. Should probably do a bit of looking into that.
  
 I did a fresh Tiger install last week, and immediately updated to 10.4.11. I
 installed no other software except for SeaMonkey 1.1.7  Firefox 3.5.2. This
 left me with 100% of the M$ web fonts installed.

Was that a tyop, or are you saying that either Apple or Mozilla are 
including the M$ web fonts?


 With browsers other than IE, specifying
 only a generic will allow the visitor to see used whatever his defaults are
 set to. With IE, specifying only generics will allow the visitor to see the
 defaults M$ hard-coded into the browser: Courier new for monospace, Times New
 Roman for serif, and Arial for sans-serif. Safari (v4.0.3 at least) will use
 its user-selectable monospace default if the requested font(s) are not
 available, same as the Geckos, but when the requested serif or sans-serif
 fonts are not available, it will supply the user-selectable default
 proportional, regardless whether that default is a serif or a sans-serif, and
 regardless whether the requested type of font is a serif or a sans-serif.

 http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-face-samples-cdef.html might be useful in
 confirming for yourself.

 Note too that anytime Helvetica is requested on Windows, it is treated as if
 the request had been for Arial, which means all the following on Windows
 render identically:

 font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif
 font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif
 font-family: helvetica, sans-serif
 font-family: helvetica, 'lucida sans unicode', 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif
 font-family: sans-serif

Some of that I knew, but the rest of it was informative.


 What tool are you using for the analysis?
  
 My eyes? What analysis?

Whatever produced that interesting looking screen-cap you posted, 
overlaid on my page.  =]

Best,

  michael

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Re: [css-d] request: a thorough going over

2009-08-28 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/08/28 19:57 (GMT-0700) Michael Venables composed:

 On 8/28/2009 3:26 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

 I did a fresh Tiger install last week, and immediately updated to 10.4.11. I
 installed no other software except for SeaMonkey 1.1.7  Firefox 3.5.2. This
 left me with 100% of the M$ web fonts installed.

 Was that a tyop, or are you saying that either Apple or Mozilla are 
 including the M$ web fonts?

No typo, and not Mozilla. Apple is a marketing company as much as anything
else. It knows the value of those fonts to users of its OS.

 My eyes? What analysis?

 Whatever produced that interesting looking screen-cap you posted, 
 overlaid on my page.  =]

Plain, ordinary screencap program. Not overlay. Inlay, designed to produce
real-world context. Open the topmost URL and look at its HTML.
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[css-d] collapsing margin blues

2009-08-28 Thread Luc
 Hello list,  

 I know this should be simple but it seems i have a collapsing margin
 issue and can't seem to solve it.

 The image just won't go down 

 Page:
 http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/Contact_success.php

 Css:
 http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Styles/Grupomain.css

 Any hints for these tired eyes?
 
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Re: [css-d] collapsing margin blues

2009-08-28 Thread David Laakso
Luc wrote:
  Hello list,  

  I know this should be simple but it seems i have a collapsing margin
  issue and can't seem to solve it.

  The image just won't go down 

  Page:
  http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/Contact_success.php

  Css:
  http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Styles/Grupomain.css

  Any hints for these tired eyes?
  
   



I give up. You got a hint? For those of us who don't have a crystal 
ball, in exactly what OS, and exactly what browser, will the image not down?
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Re: [css-d] collapsing margin blues

2009-08-28 Thread Luc
Hello David, 

It was foretold that
on 29/08/2009 @ 00:48:37 GMT-0400 (which was 01:48:37 where I live)
David Laakso would write:

oops, sorry for that: tested in opera 9, IE6 on XP pro

 I give up. You got a hint? For those of us who don't have a crystal 
 ball, in exactly what OS, and exactly what browser, will the image not down?  

 
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Re: [css-d] request: a thorough going over

2009-08-28 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Michael Venables wrote:

 Was that a tyop, or are you saying that either Apple or Mozilla are
 including the M$ web fonts?

The MS fonts have been installed by default on OS X since forever [1].  
First as part of IE 5.2 on 10.0~10.1, which was then the default  
browser, then from 10.2 onwards Apple licensed them from Microsoft  
(with web compat in mind).
Doesn't mean that the user will see your page with those fonts. I know  
quite a few Mac users who disable and/or remove those fonts (me at the  
front: you won't find verdana  courier new on any of my machines… :-).

[1] and on OS 9 before that


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Re: [css-d] collapsing margin blues

2009-08-28 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Luc wrote:

 oops, sorry for that: tested in opera 9, IE6 on XP pro

 I give up. You got a hint? For those of us who don't have a crystal
 ball, in exactly what OS, and exactly what browser, will the image  
 not down?

Another hint ? Where is the image suppose to go ?

(bottom posting please)

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Re: [css-d] collapsing margin blues

2009-08-28 Thread Luc
 Hello list,  

 Skip my problem please just noticed the problem: setting a
 padding resolved it.

 It's getting way to late for me..

 Please forgive me for wasting somebodies (David?) time :-)
 
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