[css-d] FF3, on full page zoom background image stops tiling

2010-01-03 Thread lim
I have a curious display quirk in FF3. It's fine in Safari, FF2, and IE etc. I 
really don't know what is going on. I've googled my little heart out to no 
avail.

On full page zoom, +2, the background image disappears. It is possible to 
repeat the image on the x axis, but not the y or both.  Explicitly declaring 
all default background values does not help. If you only specify a colour, the 
colour shows up, but once an image is specified, the background zooms to white 
even if you specify a colour as well, both in shorthand and long style, 
unless... Declaring repeat-x with an image and a colour shows the background 
colour down the page and presumably theoretically repeats the image on the x 
axis. Declaring repeat-y shows the background colour but does not repeat the 
image on the y axis. Declaring repeat shows no colour or image.

Zooming text only does not trigger the same problem.

Declaring anything background related on the body {background-color:#333; 
background-image: url(http://yuletidetreasure.org/yuletide_background.jpg;); 
background-repeat:repeat} in the page head does show a colour but still does 
not repeat the image and on page down it garbles everything, screencap follows: 
http://skitch.com/sklim/np3jy/background-declared-on-body-page-head . (This 
specific behaviour is so unexpected I'm inclined to think it's a problem with 
my own computer; the other behaviours have shown on other machines.)

This *seems* to only happens on a page where the main cell contains some newer 
definition lists, but the contents do not seem to be overflowing or overlapping 
the sidebars and fiddling around with their widths and paddings etc has no 
observable effect. Page address follows:  
http://yuletidetreasure.org/unfilled2009.html

The css http://yuletidetreasure.org/style.css is: 

body {
color: #ff;
font-family: verdana,arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
background-image: 
url('http://yuletidetreasure.org/yuletide_background.jpg');
}
and it's declared on the table as well:
table {
font-family: verdana,arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt;
background-image: 
url('http://yuletidetreasure.org/yuletide_background.jpg');
}
and the white cells have background colours declared:
td.mainpage {
background: #ff;
color: #00;
padding-top: 10px;
padding-bottom: 10px;
padding-left: 10px;
padding-right: 10px;
margin: 0px;
}

table.form {
background: #ff;
color: #00;
padding-top: 10px;
padding-bottom: 10px;
padding-left: 10px;
margin: 0px;
}

table.unfilled {
background: #ff;
color: #00;
}
It's old (1997), so it's layout tables and no doctype. I learnt webdesign post 
layout-tables; I've never ever used one, so I don't have any horse sense of how 
to approach this problem. Can anyone steer me in the right direction?

Regards, Lim
(Excessively Defensive Postscript: Yes, whatever happens I will put a 
background colour on the body. I appreciate the impulse but please do try to 
refrain from lecturing me about the front end. Development is closed on this 
project. The whole shebang is moving to a brand new flexible, accessible, open 
source, fair trade, fat free, entirely woven from tofu, home later this year. 
But in the meantime, they'd like the background image to show on a +2 full page 
zoom in FF3!)
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Re: [css-d] How to explain div v. table

2010-01-03 Thread Tim Climis
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:01:13 pm nancy wrote:

 Aside from screen readers for the visually impaired, are there any other
 reasons I can give?

there's always my favorite: HTML is a language for describing data.  
Therefore, since the data (a column of text) is not tabular, it does not 
belong in table tags.  General rule of thumb: if you can't come up with a use 
for the th tag, there's probably not a use for the td tag either.

---Tim
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Re: [css-d] How to explain div v. table

2010-01-03 Thread Yogesh Agashe
Hi,

Smashing Magazine have a nice article on this topic.
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04/08/from-table-hell-to-div-hell/


HTH,
Yogesh


On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:01 AM, nancy na...@thesmudge.com wrote:

 There are several people editing our website, including my boss and a
 coworker.
 I am officially the manager of the website.
 Last week I showed the coworker how to change a table layout to divs with
 css, but didn't do a very good job of explaining why to do it.
 This week our boss suggested my coworker use tables to create columns on
 another page.
 Again I showed the coworker how to use divs and css for the same purpose,
 but again I didn't give a very good reason why.
 Aside from screen readers for the visually impaired, are there any other
 reasons I can give?
 I've scoured the Internet, but all the reasons don't seem very valid
 anymore.

 TIG,
 N

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Re: [css-d] font-size smaller on IE 8 [error correction] - closing this long thread.

2010-01-03 Thread MEM
Too much errors and inconsistencies. 
I cannot constantly change the structure and ask questions about specific
issues at the same time.
I'm absolutely rocking off.

Sorry all, Alan, thanks a lot for your template, in order to be able to
apply, I would need to print and read line by line. Unfortunately, I don't
have that time at the moment, and I'm really really sorry to give you
trouble, and then, been unable to follow it properly. Sorry for that. :(

Regards,
Márcio





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