Re: [css-d] Centering a row of images

[Tim Climis]

On Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:05:29 pm Tim Climis wrote:

Oops.  Just one little edit.

> #logo a img {
>   display: block;
>   border: 0 none transparent;
margin: 0 auto;
> }
> 

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Re: [css-d] Centering a row of images

[Tim Climis]

On Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:21:40 pm Steve Caramia wrote:
> I think this is a simple one:
> 
> Across the bottom of this page I want a row of logos on a background
> that extends 100%. I was able to do it with a table. Is there a way to
> do it in CSS?
> 

this should result in the exact same thing...


http://www.angieslist.com/angieslist/companylist/seattle/electrical.htm?cid=ssabadge";>

Electrical in Seattle

  
 
 




#logos {
background-color: #4A6060;
clear: both;
margin: 0px;
padding: 2px;
text-align: center;
}

#logos a {
color: #ffc;
font-size: 0.8em;
font-weight: bold;
font-style: italic;
text-decoration: none;
}

#logo a img {
display: block;
border: 0 none transparent;
}

#logos a,
#logos > img {
display: inline-block;
vertical-align: middle;
text-align: center;
padding: 0 20px;
}

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[css-d] Centering a row of images

[Steve Caramia]

I think this is a simple one:

Across the bottom of this page I want a row of logos on a background  
that extends 100%. I was able to do it with a table. Is there a way to  
do it in CSS?

http://www.caramiadesign.com/kemly/


and here's the css:

http://www.caramiadesign.com/kemly/kemly.css



Thank you!





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Re: [css-d] New website

[Duncan Hill]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:54:45 +0100, Dipesh Parmar  
 wrote:

> Hello everyone, if anyone is interested i've created phase 1 of the  
> latest site i'm working on. Any thoughts and criticism's gratefully  
> received, as a newbie to web design feedback is essential!
>
> http://rspca-brighton.co.uk
>
> Its my biggest project to date, and luckily, i've been given a free  
> reign over where to take the site. Phase 1 was to clean up the old site,  
> which was horrendous, especially the navigational which was atrocious!  
> Anyway, i've spent the last 3 weeks cleaning it up and making it as  
> user-friendly as possible. The sites not going to win any awards but  
> hopefully it 'does the job'. Phase 2 concerns areas which will be new to  
> me, such as creating a CMS platform, spending more time on the graphical  
> side of it (of most interest to me as i'm an artist), making the site  
> more interactive, more content etc. Theres plenty of scope for  
> experimentation i hope.
>
> regards,
>
> Dipesh
>
Hi Dipesh, nice site for a great cause.

One problem I noticed was a flickering on your menu when hovering close to  
the right side of it.
It seems that you have two different widths set for the link
ul.leftmenu li a is set at 136px wide,
ul.leftmenu li a:hover is set at 116px wide

you have a relatively trivial validation error with some of the images  
having 'Alt' attributes instead of 'alt'.

Duncan
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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Duncan Hill]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:09:33 +0100, tomo jacobson   
wrote:


> 2. i used TABLE and ALIGN attribute and TARGET attribute... TABLE and
> ALIGN appears in the footer.
> the footer is pretty crazy codewise, but i couldn't get it any other  
> way...
> TARGET is my choice, i really would like to open links in a new window.

> Tomo

I've done a quick remake of your footer if you want to get rid of the  
table.
It works down to around 815px wide and then it begins to wrap and so is  
partially hidden because of the fixed footer size.
Two possible solutions to that, a) use an @media statement to change the  
footer parameters for a narrower viewport. b) as you are using html  
scaling of your images, dropping the size in the code to 'height="35" will  
allow a comfortable 800px viewport.
http://redlemonarts.com/dev/strona/news.htm
and the css file is
http://redlemonarts.com/dev/strona/style.css
there are no modifications to your existing css code, and the added rules  
are marked.
HTML changes involve a couple of extra div's but that is still lighter  
weight than your table.

Duncan
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Re: [css-d] New website

[Lauren O'Donovan]

Hello,

I think you've done a good job overall to the site, which is for an
excellent cause, and best of luck with future improvements.

I noticed that you have text in several images, but this text is not
provided in the alt attribute of the img tag. Having text in images is bad
for a few reasons (even if you do give an alt=""):


   1. People can't highlight it and copy and paste
   2. Blind computer users will not know there is text in the image unless
   you provide this text in the alt attribute of the img tag
   3. Visually impaired computer users (or those who like big text) will not
   be able to increase the text size of text in images using controls on their
   browser


Instead of putting the text in the images, you can position the text over
the image with CSS and it will be much more accessible.

I'm thinking that you knew all this already, but were working with the older
stuff that existed on the website, but just thought I'd reply in case it's
useful!




On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:55 PM, David Laakso  wrote:

> Dipesh Parmar wrote:
> > Hello everyone, if anyone is interested i've created phase 1 of the
> latest site i'm working on. Any thoughts and criticism's gratefully
> received, as a newbie to web design feedback is essential!
> >
> > http://rspca-brighton.co.uk
> >
> > Dipesh
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It seems to do well cross-browser -- a little deep in IE/6 -- but that's no
> big deal as that browser is on "death-row" unless you want to take the time
> to correct it [1].
>
> A couple of minor markup errors here and there that you may want to attend
> to...
>
> Brutal stress testing at extreme + and - font settings, and other such
> stress test methods, may bring up some issues... but in general, I think you
> have done a good job.
>
> Best, and good luck.
>
> ~d
>
>
> [1] On having layout
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [css-d] New website

[David Laakso]

Dipesh Parmar wrote:
> Hello everyone, if anyone is interested i've created phase 1 of the latest 
> site i'm working on. Any thoughts and criticism's gratefully received, as a 
> newbie to web design feedback is essential! 
>
> http://rspca-brighton.co.uk
>
> Dipesh 
>
>   






It seems to do well cross-browser -- a little deep in IE/6 -- but that's no big 
deal as that browser is on "death-row" unless you want to take the time to 
correct it [1].

A couple of minor markup errors here and there that you may want to attend to...

Brutal stress testing at extreme + and - font settings, and other such stress 
test methods, may bring up some issues... but in general, I think you have done 
a good job.

Best, and good luck.

~d


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[css-d] New website

[Dipesh Parmar]

Hello everyone, if anyone is interested i've created phase 1 of the latest site 
i'm working on. Any thoughts and criticism's gratefully received, as a newbie 
to web design feedback is essential! 

http://rspca-brighton.co.uk

Its my biggest project to date, and luckily, i've been given a free reign over 
where to take the site. Phase 1 was to clean up the old site, which was 
horrendous, especially the navigational which was atrocious! Anyway, i've spent 
the last 3 weeks cleaning it up and making it as user-friendly as possible. The 
sites not going to win any awards but hopefully it 'does the job'. Phase 2 
concerns areas which will be new to me, such as creating a CMS platform, 
spending more time on the graphical side of it (of most interest to me as i'm 
an artist), making the site more interactive, more content etc. Theres plenty 
of scope for experimentation i hope. 

regards,

Dipesh 

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Re: [css-d] z-index fixed

[David Laakso]

Angela French wrote:
> Regarding my z-index issue that I just posted about... I removed all z-index, 
> using the natural stacking order and it works fine.  Hmmm... I wonder why I 
> had those z-indexes in there?  I must have seen some reason I needed them 
> before, but I sure don't now.
>
> Angela French
>   






Careful. Test. Don't get ahead of yourself. Camino. SeaMonkey. There may 
be others. The document needs a title. Minimum font-size {in the prefs ] 
breaks your three boxes with the little people in them...

Best,
~d




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Re: [css-d] help with z-index

[Theresa Newman]

 it's about context, if you add z-index:2000 to div#navcontainer you will be
good, This is the same z-index as outercontentcontainer, which is in the
same context. I suppose the later one in the rendering ends up on top. you
can even remove all z-index of divs under the outercontentcontainer. And
while you're at it, you can make it 1, doesn't need to be so high. Here is a
good article
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/wiki/Overlapping_And_ZIndex





On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Angela French  wrote:

> Hello, I just noticed a z-index problem (which you can see on my test site
> here: http://checkoutacollege.com:8080/ ).  The issue is that when the
> user clicks on one of the "Read animation" links in the "character boxes",
> the resulting div#overlaycontainer is hiding under the top nav bar.  I
> believe there are three elements at play here.  They are as follow with the
> z-index I have assigned to them:
> div#navcontainer (z-index:2000;) (when in use, the top nav's drop down
> submenus must  lay over the character boxes).
> div#characterboxcontainer (z-index: 1000;)
> div#overlaycontainer (z-index:3000!important;) (Should lay over everything)
>
> I even tried putting the z-index inline in div#overlaycontainer, but no
> luck.
>
> I am seeing this issue in IE, FF and Opera (all I tested on).
>
> Any advice gratefully appreciated.
>
> Angela French
> Internet Specialist
> State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
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[css-d] z-index fixed

[Angela French]

Regarding my z-index issue that I just posted about... I removed all z-index, 
using the natural stacking order and it works fine.  Hmmm... I wonder why I had 
those z-indexes in there?  I must have seen some reason I needed them before, 
but I sure don't now.

Angela French
Internet Specialist
State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
afre...@sbctc.edu
http://www.checkoutacollege.com

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[css-d] help with z-index

[Angela French]

Hello, I just noticed a z-index problem (which you can see on my test site 
here: http://checkoutacollege.com:8080/ ).  The issue is that when the user 
clicks on one of the "Read animation" links in the "character boxes", the 
resulting div#overlaycontainer is hiding under the top nav bar.  I believe 
there are three elements at play here.  They are as follow with the z-index I 
have assigned to them:
div#navcontainer (z-index:2000;) (when in use, the top nav's drop down submenus 
must  lay over the character boxes).
div#characterboxcontainer (z-index: 1000;)
div#overlaycontainer (z-index:3000!important;) (Should lay over everything)

I even tried putting the z-index inline in div#overlaycontainer, but no luck.

I am seeing this issue in IE, FF and Opera (all I tested on).

Any advice gratefully appreciated.

Angela French
Internet Specialist
State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
afre...@sbctc.edu
http://www.checkoutacollege.com

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[css-d] The auto value of the top property

[Gabriele Romanato]

Hi!
Just a quick reminder on a technique that I find really useful  
sometimes:

http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/07/css-auto-value-of-top-property.html

HTH :-)

http://www.css-zibaldone.com
http://www.css-zibaldone.com/test/  (English)
http://www.css-zibaldone.com/articles/  (English)
http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/  (English)








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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Bobby Jack]

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, tomo jacobson  wrote:

> hi,
> 
> i'm an amateur. i haven't done any website since early
> high-school...
> 
> anyway this is what i achieved (can't post the link,
> sorry...):
> 
> tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/

I think there are three interweaving factors that /can/ (and often do) compete, 
that need to be taken into account during any design:

1. Pragmatism - are you interested in delivering your message to every single 
last member of your potential audience, or are you happy to serve the majority?

2. Creativity - how much are you looking for the visuals to be a feature of the 
site in their own right, as opposed to merely being a pretty wrapping for the 
content? How much is the site an expression of who you are, as well as a tool 
for communicating information?

3. Morality - how happy are you to enforce certain limitations, bearing in mind 
(partly) how you would feel if it were you on the receiving end?

Most of your issues can be evaluated according to those factors. For example, 
take the issue of the front-page navigation:

1. Pragmatism. Not everyone will 'get' this'. It's certainly not very 
keyboard-friendly. And, I imagine, it's not very touch-friendly, either. Those 
3 points will each diminish your potential audience to some extent, and to 
different degrees.

2. Creativity. This is a nice, attractive effect, which certainly isn't 
commonplace. It's a "look at me" kind of feature, and it offers a brief amount 
of enjoyment for the visitor as they sweep their mouse across the letters and 
discover what's underneath. It also adds a nice dash of colour, and is friendly 
and playful.

3. Morality. Does it matter to you that some people won't be able to use this 
interface, and may feel aggrieved or even angered? Are there improvements you 
could make for keyboard users (clue: it may be as simple as adding :focus where 
you currently have :hover in your CSS)?

That's just one example - your screen width issue is also ripe for this kind of 
evaluation.

I'm not trying to answer these questions for you; these are your decisions to 
make. But I think it's worth thinking about the design in these terms, and also 
bearing in mind that, whilst these factors compete to some extent, they can 
also be made to work together, keeping compromise to a minimum. Some of what I 
consider to be the 'best' websites nowadays do exactly that.

BTW, I think that, overall, your site is attractive, funny (in a good way!), 
and fulfils its purpose very well. Good luck in your venture.

- Bobby
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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Chris Blake]

On 22/07/2010, at 10:40 PM, Climis, Tim wrote:

>> i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.
>
> It'd be nice if there was some kind of clue that there are links on  
> the first page.  I don't know that most people will discover that a  
> few random letters produce hover effects.
>

I heard something interesting the other day - as i have a new friend  
that has done loads of crazy flash things for some pretty massive  
brands. it went something along the lines of..
the big brands are corporate weazels but in bid to keep face they will  
execute something that is hard to navigate, kinda weird and so on. the  
theory, cos it has to be money after all they re corporate scum, is  
that the rich will look at this quirky thing - think that they 'get  
it' because they are that brand. but do they really know what the  
artist is doing - does it really serve a purpose?

anyhow, the page is humble and intriguing. I found it easy enough and  
although i remember the first time not being too impressed once ur in  
and u see the rest of the quirkiness then it works - if u have  
ventured this far then u are the right kind of person to be viewing.  
if not u wouldnt have even bothered looking. I think it's kid of cool  
- exclusive in a way. it is something i am battling with designing my  
own.

there are peple, clients that aren't scared of the new, my dig my  
style, might even oay me to spend time dreaming and being an artist  
once more but then there is always the majority looking for functiona  
nd surely there is a template that makes them say 'OK'.

it's toss up - but in a way presenting my cirporate work on an  
slightly quirky, original site shows that iam capable - but left to my  
own devices (is that the word?) I wouldn't bother - unless I was  
learning something new in the process.

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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Climis, Tim]

 > i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.

It'd be nice if there was some kind of clue that there are links on the first 
page.  I don't know that most people will discover that a few random letters 
produce hover effects.

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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[David Laakso]

tomo jacobson wrote:
>
> tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/
>
>
>
> i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.
>
> regards,
>
>   







As already mentioned earlier this morning, below is a suggestion rather 
than a criticism [ I never tire of repeating myself although I am aware 
others find it rather obnoxious... :-) ].


body {
font/*-family*/: 100% Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
/*font-size: 105%;*/
/*text-align: justify;*/
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
background: url(images/kratka.jpg) repeat left bottom fixed;
}


#menu {
position: fixed;
width: 150px;
margin-top: 95px;
/*font-size: 130%;*/
}





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Re: [css-d] new website - critics welcome

[Chris Blake]

mac, safari 5 - it's all good. I think it's really cool and unique!



On 22/07/2010, at 9:09 PM, tomo jacobson wrote:

> hi,
>
> i'm an amateur. i haven't done any website since early high-school...
>
> anyway this is what i achieved (can't post the link, sorry...):
>
> tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/
>
>
> there're some things i don't feel good about:
>
> 1. footer... when u shrink the window and scroll right/left, text in
> the content gets over a sidebar menu. also the footer doesn't scroll
> right/left when u shrink the window.
> (maybe it doesn't matter cause nobody will shrink the window to  
> 820px?)
>
> 2. i used TABLE and ALIGN attribute and TARGET attribute... TABLE and
> ALIGN appears in the footer.
> the footer is pretty crazy codewise, but i couldn't get it any other  
> way...
> TARGET is my choice, i really would like to open links in a new  
> window.
>
> 3. i used help from IE7 script (i'll never do fixed header, footer and
> a sidebar menu at one page again! - damn ie...). i'm affraid that some
> people might have javascript disabled... but maybe nowdays it's almost
> nobody who does it?
>
> 4. i'd like to add RSS, but don't know how yet...
>
> i guess that's all.
> i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.
>
> regards,
> 
> Tomo
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[css-d] new website - critics welcome

[tomo jacobson]

hi,

i'm an amateur. i haven't done any website since early high-school...

anyway this is what i achieved (can't post the link, sorry...):

tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/


there're some things i don't feel good about:

1. footer... when u shrink the window and scroll right/left, text in
the content gets over a sidebar menu. also the footer doesn't scroll
right/left when u shrink the window.
(maybe it doesn't matter cause nobody will shrink the window to 820px?)

2. i used TABLE and ALIGN attribute and TARGET attribute... TABLE and
ALIGN appears in the footer.
the footer is pretty crazy codewise, but i couldn't get it any other way...
TARGET is my choice, i really would like to open links in a new window.

3. i used help from IE7 script (i'll never do fixed header, footer and
a sidebar menu at one page again! - damn ie...). i'm affraid that some
people might have javascript disabled... but maybe nowdays it's almost
nobody who does it?

4. i'd like to add RSS, but don't know how yet...

i guess that's all.
i'd be more than greatful for any kind of ctiticism.

regards,

Tomo
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Re: [css-d] ID vs. Class

[Reese]

On 19-Jul-10 23:26, Beth Lee wrote:

> ...but you can use getElementsByClassName.

That wasn't available in IE, the last I heard. Has that changed?

Reese


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Re: [css-d] footer problem

[David Laakso]

tomo jacobson wrote:
> i didn't really do what u wrote, but it helped me to find my own old
> school way of doing it with tables. i know, i know, but it works and
> that was the only way of doing this i found, which answered all my
> requests.
>
> please take a look and say if it's too terrible:
> http://www.tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/pro-cov.htm
> http://www.tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/style.css
>
> thanks
> 
> Tomo
>
>
>   





Tomo,

Looks fine to me on a quick look in Camino, Safari, FF, Chrome, Opera, 
IE/8, and IE/7. IE/6 does not support position;fixed; consequently the 
whole page scrolls: nevertheless, all the content is present and the 
page is functional and usable in that browser. So, I'd say you are good 
to go.

Couple of minor validation errors in the markup file that you may want 
to collect...

Fwiw, adding Georgia as the first-font in the string will make the text 
a little easier to read; as will deleting text-align: justify.

Best,
~d












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Re: [css-d] footer problem

[tomo jacobson]

thanks a lot for the tips!

i didn't really do what u wrote, but it helped me to find my own old
school way of doing it with tables. i know, i know, but it works and
that was the only way of doing this i found, which answered all my
requests.

please take a look and say if it's too terrible:
http://www.tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/pro-cov.htm
http://www.tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/style.css

thanks

Tomo



On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:17 AM, David Laakso
 wrote:
> tomo jacobson wrote:
>>
>> hi everybody
>>
>> i made a footer:
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> That's nice. I have a red pencil box: and, like most folks on this -- or any
> other list -- a limited amount of time...
>
>
>
>> and it works: http://www.tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/things.htm
>>
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>
> 1/ In what operating system [s] / browser [s] does it work as you intend?
> 2/ In what operating system [s] / browser [s] does it /not/ work as you
> intend.
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>> Tomo
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> Best,
> ~d
>
>
> --
>
> http://chelseacreekstudio.com/
>
>
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