[css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
List, I have a request to fix some layout issues in IE10 Compatibility Mode. Everything I've googled says IE10 CM should render like IE7. When I view my page in IE10 CM, it breaks. When I view it in IE7, it's fine. Can anyone point me in the right direction for trouble shooting this? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
Tom Livingston wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction for trouble shooting this? As always, and with apologies for Raising My Voice : Post a URL ! Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
Tom Livingston wrote: Apologies. I was going for philosophical help as opposed to digging into the code, but here it is: http://everywhere.llbean.com/ OK, I have viewed it in IE9 and IE10 and have not spotted any obvious problems in the latter; what problems should I expect to encounter ? Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit, maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.comwrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
Tom Livingston wrote:
Apologies. I was going for philosophical help as opposed to digging
into the code, but here it is:
http://everywhere.llbean.com/
OK, I have viewed it in IE9 and IE10 and have not spotted any obvious
problems in the latter; what problems should I expect to encounter ?
Philip Taylor
Turn on IE10 Compatibility Mode in the F12 tools in 10. Sidebar drops
down below the main column for me...
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Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com wrote:
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit, maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
Thing is, as I mentioned, it renders correctly in IE7. I need to
distinguish IE10CM from IE7 apparently...
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Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
Tom Livingston wrote: Turn on IE10 Compatibility Mode in the F12 tools in 10. Sidebar drops down below the main column for me... Interesting. I had already added Llbean.Com to my list of View in compatibility mode sites, but only by explicitly requesting compatibility view using the mechanism you identify resulted in a replication of your problem. Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction for trouble shooting this? As always, and with apologies for Raising My Voice : Post a URL ! Philip Taylor Apologies. I was going for philosophical help as opposed to digging into the code, but here it is: http://everywhere.llbean.com/ -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
Tom Livingston wrote: Apologies. I was going for philosophical help as opposed to digging into the code, but here it is: http://everywhere.llbean.com/ OK, I have viewed it in IE9 and IE10 and have not spotted any obvious problems in the latter; what problems should I expect to encounter ? Philip Taylor Turn on IE10 Compatibility Mode in the F12 tools in 10. Sidebar drops down below the main column for me... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
FYI, I know about the validation errors, however they occur in content injected into my page that I have no control over. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction for trouble shooting this? As always, and with apologies for Raising My Voice : Post a URL ! Philip Taylor Apologies. I was going for philosophical help as opposed to digging into the code, but here it is: http://everywhere.llbean.com/ -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
It renders the same for me using IE7 or IE10CM
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit, maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
Thing is, as I mentioned, it renders correctly in IE7. I need to
distinguish IE10CM from IE7 apparently...
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Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
Tom Livingston wrote:
Apologies. I was going for philosophical help as opposed to digging
into the code, but here it is:
http://everywhere.llbean.com/
OK, I have viewed it in IE9 and IE10 and have not spotted any obvious
problems in the latter; what problems should I expect to encounter ?
Philip Taylor
Turn on IE10 Compatibility Mode in the F12 tools in 10. Sidebar drops
down below the main column for me...
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Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
Terrific! This just keeps getting better! LOL.
I have multiple VMs running XP, Vista and 8. One XP is 7, one is 8.
That 7 looks fine, while my 10 VM in compatibility mode breaks...
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com wrote:
It renders the same for me using IE7 or IE10CM
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit,
maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
Thing is, as I mentioned, it renders correctly in IE7. I need to
distinguish IE10CM from IE7 apparently...
--
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Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
I'm having trouble understanding why the width of wrapper is explicitly set
to anything other than 100% anyways. as your main wrapper (#page, I
believe) has a pixel width set. I would first look at something that
doesn't have issues, namely #gHcontainer and #llb-footer, both are not
styled by the IE7 specific stylesheet.
Correct me if I'm wrong: isn't compatibility mode in IE10 supposed to be
the same as IE7?
Also, are you using a polyfill for box-sizing?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
Terrific! This just keeps getting better! LOL.
I have multiple VMs running XP, Vista and 8. One XP is 7, one is 8.
That 7 looks fine, while my 10 VM in compatibility mode breaks...
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
It renders the same for me using IE7 or IE10CM
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit,
maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in
later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell
ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
Thing is, as I mentioned, it renders correctly in IE7. I need to
distinguish IE10CM from IE7 apparently...
--
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Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
The wrapper width was the issue. Thanks for that.
For some reason, in my 7, that wasnt causing an issue, but in 10CM it
was. Removing it, however, didnt cause any bad things to happen
either. Go figure.
Ah, IE
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding why the width of wrapper is explicitly set
to anything other than 100% anyways. as your main wrapper (#page, I believe)
has a pixel width set. I would first look at something that doesn't have
issues, namely #gHcontainer and #llb-footer, both are not styled by the IE7
specific stylesheet.
Correct me if I'm wrong: isn't compatibility mode in IE10 supposed to be the
same as IE7?
Also, are you using a polyfill for box-sizing?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
Terrific! This just keeps getting better! LOL.
I have multiple VMs running XP, Vista and 8. One XP is 7, one is 8.
That 7 looks fine, while my 10 VM in compatibility mode breaks...
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
It renders the same for me using IE7 or IE10CM
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Chris Rockwell
ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit,
maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in
later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell
ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
Thing is, as I mentioned, it renders correctly in IE7. I need to
distinguish IE10CM from IE7 apparently...
--
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Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
Thanks for all the help everyone. I'll file that one under 'weird'.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
The wrapper width was the issue. Thanks for that.
For some reason, in my 7, that wasnt causing an issue, but in 10CM it
was. Removing it, however, didnt cause any bad things to happen
either. Go figure.
Ah, IE
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding why the width of wrapper is explicitly set
to anything other than 100% anyways. as your main wrapper (#page, I believe)
has a pixel width set. I would first look at something that doesn't have
issues, namely #gHcontainer and #llb-footer, both are not styled by the IE7
specific stylesheet.
Correct me if I'm wrong: isn't compatibility mode in IE10 supposed to be the
same as IE7?
Also, are you using a polyfill for box-sizing?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
Terrific! This just keeps getting better! LOL.
I have multiple VMs running XP, Vista and 8. One XP is 7, one is 8.
That 7 looks fine, while my 10 VM in compatibility mode breaks...
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
It renders the same for me using IE7 or IE10CM
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Chris Rockwell
ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit,
maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in
later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell
ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
Thing is, as I mentioned, it renders correctly in IE7. I need to
distinguish IE10CM from IE7 apparently...
--
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Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
I do have a here. With IE7 having a 0.6% share right nowwhy bother with it
at all? Many of the big name pros in the Web Design/Dev industry no long check
for UA versions. Most don't even support the ancient UAs at all.
Just wondering.
On September 4, 2013 at 3:19 PM Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
Terrific! This just keeps getting better! LOL.
I have multiple VMs running XP, Vista and 8. One XP is 7, one is 8.
That 7 looks fine, while my 10 VM in compatibility mode breaks...
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
It renders the same for me using IE7 or IE10CM
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit,
maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
Thing is, as I mentioned, it renders correctly in IE7. I need to
distinguish IE10CM from IE7 apparently...
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Re: [css-d] Site check please IE9/10
David, I really don't see how the three HTML errors would case his problem. And, you might want to check the CSS before running a validation. He's using CSS3 that validation does not appear to have been run under CSS3 but rather CSS2.1 making the error irrelevant. And, even if they were the only time I've run into problems like he describes they had to do with overlapping elements and the use of z-index, which validation won't find. On September 3, 2013 at 8:59 AM David Postill david.post...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:20:01 +0200, Albert van der Veen wrote: | Hi all, | | I'm working on a new site and just found out it looks (and works, as you | can't even click any link) awful in IE8/9 and good in IE10. Can anyone | see whether IE8/9 are choking on something that IE10 has no problems | with? I can't imagine css differences between IE9 and 10 being so huge | it looks this awful. | | http://ideabooks.albertvanderveen.com/ Validation? http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fideabooks.albertvanderveen.com%2F 3 errors http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21warning=0uri=http%3A%2F%2Fideabooks.albertvanderveen.com%2F 42 errors -- David Postill Dance your Life - Biodanza in Alkmaar, Holland - http://www.danceyourlife.eu __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site check please IE9/10
Albert, I'm not seeing your problem. Have your fixed it? On September 3, 2013 at 8:20 AM Albert van der Veen albert.lijs...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi all, I'm working on a new site and just found out it looks (and works, as you can't even click any link) awful in IE8/9 and good in IE10. Can anyone see whether IE8/9 are choking on something that IE10 has no problems with? I can't imagine css differences between IE9 and 10 being so huge it looks this awful. http://ideabooks.albertvanderveen.com/ Thank you for your time! best regards, Albert __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE10 Compatibility mode
I support it because I have to. If a client wants us to support it or
stats indicate it should, then we do.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Eric e...@minerbits.com wrote:
I do have a here. With IE7 having a 0.6% share right nowwhy bother with
it at all? Many of the big name pros in the Web Design/Dev industry no long
check for UA versions. Most don't even support the ancient UAs at all.
Just wondering.
On September 4, 2013 at 3:19 PM Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
Terrific! This just keeps getting better! LOL.
I have multiple VMs running XP, Vista and 8. One XP is 7, one is 8.
That 7 looks fine, while my 10 VM in compatibility mode breaks...
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
It renders the same for me using IE7 or IE10CM
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Chris Rockwell
ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
And it looks like box-sizing: border-box is the ultimate culprit,
maybe
IE7 doesn't handle it well?? Was the box-sizing property added in
later
maybe?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Chris Rockwell
ch...@chrisrockwell.com
wrote:
I see .ie7 .wrapper {width: 940px}
Thing is, as I mentioned, it renders correctly in IE7. I need to
distinguish IE10CM from IE7 apparently...
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