Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Chrome Extension to PSD
On 12 Mar 2014, at 0:50, Crest Christopher wrote: I'm looking for a Chrome Extension to save my design as a PSD to complete it ? This doesn't appear to have anything to do with CSS, so if anyone has suggestions for Crest, please make them via direct mail, as in off the list. Thanks! -- Eric A. Meyer - http://meyerweb.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Font Stacks and Web fonts
I started out wanting to ask a question along the lines of How can I set things up so that if a user has a font locally, it will be used, but if not, download it as a webfont?, but that was all of a sudden obvious: the usual method of setting up a font stack, e.g., font-family: preferred-local-font, web-font; This does bring up questions that may be browser/platform dependent, and may give me second thoughts about doing this: 1. In this sort of situation, is the webfont unconditionally downloaded, or is it ignored unless/until actually needed? 2. If I use a character/characters that don't have glyphs defined in the first font of a stack, will the next font in the stack (that does have the glyph) be used for that character, or will some client/system default font be used, or will I just see the symbol for I don't have that glyph? -- Jeff Zeitlin, Editor Freelance Traveller The Electronic Fan-Supported Traveller® Fanzine and Resource edi...@freelancetraveller.com http://www.freelancetraveller.com http://freelancetraveller.downport.com/ ®Traveller is a registered trademark of Far Future Enterprises, 1977-2014. Use of the trademark in this notice and in the referenced materials is not intended to infringe or devalue the trademark. Freelance Traveller extends its thanks to the following enterprises for hosting services: CyberNET Web Hosting (http://www.cyberwebhosting.net) The Traveller Downport (http://www.downport.com) __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Stacks and Web fonts
1. In this sort of situation, is the webfont unconditionally downloaded, or is it ignored unless/until actually needed? I think it is ignored. According to the spec, the fonts can be automatically fetched and downloaded _when_needed_. In a quick check (in Chrome 33) the font was not downloaded if the first font was available (I used Arial, and Open-Sans). I think this will hold true for fonts from services such as Google Fonts since, in the case of Google atleast, it's just adding the @font-face declaration which in turn has the url(). -- Chris Rockwell __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Stacks and Web fonts
On 03/13/2014, at 6:30 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote: 1. In this sort of situation, is the webfont unconditionally downloaded, or is it ignored unless/until actually needed? I think it is ignored. According to the spec, the fonts can be automatically fetched and downloaded _when_needed_. This may not be doable in CSS but is there any configurable or settable timeout? I've noticed significant delays in sites loading recently when they've been downloading things piecemeal from all over including even Google fonts. The sites connect quick enough, then sit there waiting to connect or download other page components. It's gotten so bad after a few minutes of nothing displaying I've had to abandon sites and look elsewhere. With the trend in moving things to clouds and distributed components including fonts, jQuery etc, and increasing issues with routing, connectivity and response time across these distributed resources, is there a way to say for example if this font doesn't load from Google Fonts in so many ms load the locally saved version? If this is not something CSS can address, any suggestions on where else to ask? Or just stick to saving fonts and calling them off the website server if necessary? KathyW. __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Stacks and Web fonts
Hi Kathy, It depends on your approach. Web designers tend to use web fonts for their preferred fonts, and use of web fonts are becoming more prevalent. With load times of fonts you will find different browsers have different strategies, some load a local font then refresh when web font has loaded, some will wait for the web font to download. It is possible to gain more control over what is happening by using javascript libraries, like Web Font Loader: https://developers.google.com/fonts/docs/webfont_loader I tend to work with multilingual sites, and instead of using web fonts are preferred fonts, I use web fonts as last resort fonts, i.e. web font is used if common fonts for the language are unavailable, ie web font is at tail end of the font stack. Andrew On 13 March 2014 10:06, Kathy Wheeler kat...@home.albury.net.au wrote: On 03/13/2014, at 6:30 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote: 1. In this sort of situation, is the webfont unconditionally downloaded, or is it ignored unless/until actually needed? I think it is ignored. According to the spec, the fonts can be automatically fetched and downloaded _when_needed_. This may not be doable in CSS but is there any configurable or settable timeout? I've noticed significant delays in sites loading recently when they've been downloading things piecemeal from all over including even Google fonts. The sites connect quick enough, then sit there waiting to connect or download other page components. It's gotten so bad after a few minutes of nothing displaying I've had to abandon sites and look elsewhere. With the trend in moving things to clouds and distributed components including fonts, jQuery etc, and increasing issues with routing, connectivity and response time across these distributed resources, is there a way to say for example if this font doesn't load from Google Fonts in so many ms load the locally saved version? If this is not something CSS can address, any suggestions on where else to ask? Or just stick to saving fonts and calling them off the website server if necessary? KathyW. __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Andrew Cunningham Project Manager, Research and Development (Social and Digital Inclusion) Public Libraries and Community Engagement State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Australia Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 Mobile: 0459 806 589 Email: acunning...@slv.vic.gov.au lang.supp...@gmail.com http://www.openroad.net.au/ http://www.mylanguage.gov.au/ http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Do modern mobile browsers deliberately ignore font size?
mar 12 2014 22:07 Ezequiel Garzón garzon.luc...@gmail.com:
I specified in my example td,p { font-size: medium }. I would hence expect
the font size in my very simple table and in my single paragraph to be the
same, whether I include a meta viewport tag or not. It turns out it only
happens in modern Android browsers when I include such a tag, even though
that's not the described purpose of the tag.
And, in any event, my main question to you guys is if you don't think it is a
violation of CSS standards for browsers to render text in different sizes
even though it's supposed to be the same size throughout.
You don’t explain what you mean with same size” — in a valid HTML5 document I
wouldn’t get that issue you claim — nor do you post online code as HTML/CSS.
It’s pointless to debate what you think happened with a picture. Make it happen
in all of our browsers too — by posting validated code that illustrates your
problem — or talk about a specific known issue.
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