[css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. Arghh ! __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. Arghh ! __ I can't help still leaning towards browser settings. Have you double checked that zoom/text scaling is at 100% in all browsers? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
Crest Christopher wrote: David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. And your browser font selection for serif in Firefox and IE; is that, too, the same ? And even if it is, there is no guarantee that your real visitors will have the same font customisation. More simply : Adobe PDF is intended for documents that must be rendered identically regardless of platform; HTML and CSS are intended to /suggest/ how a document should appear, without any real control, particularly when it comes to control over fonts, line-breaking, etc. The impossible is the impossible : never seek to question it. Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
Do you have a link to the page in question? Maybe I missed it in the thread? On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Zoom and Text scaling is at 100% in all browsers. Arghh the text won't look right in FireFox, I don't understand, I was expecting this in IE, not firefox. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. Arghh ! __ I can't help still leaning towards browser settings. Have you double checked that zoom/text scaling is at 100% in all browsers? __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Rockwell __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
Here is the updated link http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Zoom and Text scaling is at 100% in all browsers. Arghh the text won't look right in FireFox, I don't understand, I was expecting this in IE, not firefox. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. Arghh ! __ I can't help still leaning towards browser settings. Have you double checked that zoom/text scaling is at 100% in all browsers? Do you have an updated link to look at? __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the updated link. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Zoom and Text scaling is at 100% in all browsers. Arghh the text won't look right in FireFox, I don't understand, I was expecting this in IE, not firefox. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. Arghh ! __ I can't help still leaning towards browser settings. Have you double checked that zoom/text scaling is at 100% in all browsers? Do you have an updated link to look at? Chrome on top, FF Aurora behind: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2616576/Screen%20Shot%202014-03-19%20at%2011.23.10%20AM.png -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Zoom and Text scaling is at 100% in all browsers. Arghh the text won't look right in FireFox, I don't understand, I was expecting this in IE, not firefox. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. Arghh ! __ I can't help still leaning towards browser settings. Have you double checked that zoom/text scaling is at 100% in all browsers? Do you have an updated link to look at? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or nothing at all ? I changed nothing. -- Did you edit browser default style sheets at all? Browser extensions, like Greasemonkey, that manipulate styles for sites? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
Good news, I think I solved it. FireFox 27.x Options Content Fonts Colors: previously it was set on some other font, I don't know how that happened, but firefox was crashing alot a month ago maybe I was unaware things were changing around in the options, that was probably fixed with a Firefox update. Anyhow I changed the default font to, Times New Roman and the font sizes look identical to that of Chrome and IE. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or nothing at all ? I changed nothing. __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
I have a question, how come when I hover over the word 'gallery' the word tutorial changes color as set for the hover rule. How do I confined the anchor size to the word, not so that it spills onto the other text ? Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tom Livingstontom...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or nothing at all ? I changed nothing. -- Did you edit browser default style sheets at all? Browser extensions, like Greasemonkey, that manipulate styles for sites? __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or nothing at all ? Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the updated link. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Zoom and Text scaling is at 100% in all browsers. Arghh the text won't look right in FireFox, I don't understand, I was expecting this in IE, not firefox. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. Arghh ! __ I can't help still leaning towards browser settings. Have you double checked that zoom/text scaling is at 100% in all browsers? Do you have an updated link to look at? Chrome on top, FF Aurora behind: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2616576/Screen%20Shot%202014-03-19%20at%2011.23.10%20AM.png __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or nothing at all ? I changed nothing. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
Zoom and Text scaling is at 100% in all browsers. Arghh the text won't look right in FireFox, I don't understand, I was expecting this in IE, not firefox. Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE. Arghh ! __ I can't help still leaning towards browser settings. Have you double checked that zoom/text scaling is at 100% in all browsers? __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Thank You for the help ! Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: I have a question, how come when I hover over the word 'gallery' the word tutorial changes color as set for the hover rule. How do I confined the anchor size to the word, not so that it spills onto the other text ? They overlap. Hit areas are on top of eachother. Not sure you can avoid this as built. You might butt them up to each other (no overlap) and mess with fixed height containers, text size and overflow:hidden to get close. Maybe. Haven't tested. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
Thank You for the help ! Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: I have a question, how come when I hover over the word 'gallery' the word tutorial changes color as set for the hover rule. How do I confined the anchor size to the word, not so that it spills onto the other text ? They overlap. Hit areas are on top of eachother. Not sure you can avoid this as built. __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: I have a question, how come when I hover over the word 'gallery' the word tutorial changes color as set for the hover rule. How do I confined the anchor size to the word, not so that it spills onto the other text ? They overlap. Hit areas are on top of eachother. Not sure you can avoid this as built. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Line Height doesn't effect all pseduo elements
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I can successfully change the line height for {h3.contact a: font-size:7em;line-height:40%;} but when I add line-height to {h3.gallery a:hover - color:orange;line-height: 40%;} nothing changes. I know I can change the line height for the list with {nav li}. I want a little more control over each pseudo element. __ You don't appear to be changing anything on hover. Are all links default of 7em and 40% line-height? If so, having 40% line-height on hover won't change. This works, but an extreme amount will get flaky fast: !DOCTYPE html html lang=en head meta charset=utf-8 title/title style a{font-size: 2em; line-height: 20%;} a:hover{line-height: 80%;} p{width: 100px;} /style /head body div class=main role=main pa href=This is a really long link to test line-height on hover./a/p /div /body /html -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Line Height doesn't effect all pseduo elements
Hi, I can successfully change the line height for {h3.contact a: font-size:7em;line-height:40%;} but when I add line-height to {h3.gallery a:hover - color:orange;line-height: 40%;} nothing changes. I know I can change the line height for the list with {nav li}. I want a little more control over each pseudo element. __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
You need validate your HTML because I have noticed you have DIV tags as children of h3 tags. These errors do affect how the page is displayed in Standards Compliant Web Browsers. Same thing with CSS. It should also be validated. I haven't done it but you get the idea. -- From: Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:33 PM To: Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com Cc: CSS-Discuss css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ? I have a question, how come when I hover over the word 'gallery' the word tutorial changes color as set for the hover rule. How do I confined the anchor size to the word, not so that it spills onto the other text ? Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tom Livingstontom...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or nothing at all ? I changed nothing. -- Did you edit browser default style sheets at all? Browser extensions, like Greasemonkey, that manipulate styles for sites? __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?
I will, I only forget to do these things when it's 11:30 PM at night :) When I should be just watching animals on YouTube or going to bed JAY TANNA wrote: You need validate your HTML because I have noticed you have DIV tags as children of h3 tags. These errors do affect how the page is displayed in Standards Compliant Web Browsers. Same thing with CSS. It should also be validated. I haven't done it but you get the idea. -- From: Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:33 PM To: Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com Cc: CSS-Discuss css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ? I have a question, how come when I hover over the word 'gallery' the word tutorial changes color as set for the hover rule. How do I confined the anchor size to the word, not so that it spills onto the other text ? Tom Livingston wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tom Livingstontom...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or nothing at all ? I changed nothing. -- Did you edit browser default style sheets at all? Browser extensions, like Greasemonkey, that manipulate styles for sites? __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Space between text {Chrome}
I want to remove the space between gallery tutorials which only exists in Chrome :-( [Link http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html] __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Space between text {Chrome}
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: I want to remove the space between gallery tutorials which only exists in Chrome :-( [Link http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/ largeprojects/cs_site.html] Adding h3.gallery{margin: 0;} helped -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Line Height doesn't effect all pseduo elements
Also, see: http://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/l/line-height/ *Unitless Line HeightsThe recommended method for defining line height is using a number value, referred to as a unitless line height. A number value can be any number, including a decimal-based number, as is used in the first code example on this page.Unitless line heights are recommended due to the fact that child elements will inherit the raw number value, rather than the computed value. With this, child elements can compute their line heights based on their computed font size, rather than inheriting an arbitrary value from a parent that is more likely to need overriding.* On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Crest Christopher crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I can successfully change the line height for {h3.contact a: font-size:7em;line-height:40%;} but when I add line-height to {h3.gallery a:hover - color:orange;line-height: 40%;} nothing changes. I know I can change the line height for the list with {nav li}. I want a little more control over each pseudo element. __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] what happened to Owen Briggs?
I remember years ago when I first started doing web development and messing around with CSS, Owen Briggs was one of the guys that I would learn from. I was just curious does anyone know what happened to him, is he still part of the web community? -- -bdot There are only 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/