Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 

I should have designed at 319px width, not 320px width, arghh !

Tom Livingston wrote:


Other than viewport sizes, emulators aren't going to show you anything
reliable.



On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher
> wrote:

Those tools don't list devices by name.

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:


On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Crest
Christopher wrote:


What is the second web developer tools extension for Chrome ?




"resize window" and "wed developer tools" are the names.

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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Tom Livingston 
If one pixel is causing such big issues, you may have bigger issues.


On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher 
wrote:

> I should have designed at 319px width, not 320px width, arghh !
>
> Tom Livingston wrote:
>
>
> Other than viewport sizes, emulators aren't going to show you anything
> reliable.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher
>    crestchristop...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
>
> Those tools don't list devices by name.
>
> Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Crest
> Christopher > wrote:
>
>
> What is the second web developer tools extension for Chrome ?
>
>
>
>
> "resiz e window" and "wed developer tools" are the names.
>
> Best,
>
> Karl DeSaulniers
> Design Drumm
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 

True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:




On Oct 14, 2015, at 07:21, Crest 
Christopher wrote:


I've done some preview on iPhone5c and a iPhone5 the specs are the 
same, why is my footer menu rendering different, makes no sense ? Am 
I right in assuming that there isn't a difference and it's the web 
app to which I'm using ?



The obvious question of course : do those devices run the same OS ? 
Same version of Mobile Safari (which is basically the same question)?


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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Karl DeSaulniers 
On Oct 13, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Crest Christopher  
wrote:

> True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?

Well, not sure on chrome, but you can use safari on a mac to inspect element on 
safari iphone. 
just plug your iphone into your mac. open safari on your phone. go to your page 
on your phone. 
then look at safari on your desktop. Under the menu "Develop" you will see your 
phones name.
hover over it and it should show you an inspect element option for the page on 
your safari mobile.

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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 

Another web developer tool for Chrome ?

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:


For chrome, I suggest one of the many extensions.
Resize Window, web developer tools, etc, etc.

Best,

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On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:



On Oct 13, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Crest 
Christopher wrote:




True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?


Well, not sure on chrome, but you can use safari on a mac to inspect 
element on safari iphone.
just plug your iphone into your mac. open safari on your phone. go to 
your page on your phone.
then look at safari on your desktop. Under the menu "Develop" you 
will see your phones name.
hover over it and it should show you an inspect element option for 
the page on your safari mobile.


Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Karl DeSaulniers 
web developer tools

sorry not wed developer..

Best,

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On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Crest Christopher  
> wrote:
> 
>> What is the second web developer tools extension for Chrome ?
> 
> 
> "resize window" and "wed developer tools" are the names.
> 
> Best,
> 
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Karl DeSaulniers 
On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Crest Christopher  
wrote:

> What is the second web developer tools extension for Chrome ?


"resize window" and "wed developer tools" are the names.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Tom Livingston 
Other than viewport sizes, emulators aren't going to show you anything
reliable.



On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher 
wrote:

> Those tools don't list devices by name.
>
> Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Crest Christopher
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What is the second web developer tools extension for Chrome ?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "resize window" and "wed developer tools" are the names.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Karl DeSaulniers
>> Design Drumm
>> http://designdrumm.com
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 

Those tools don't list devices by name.

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:


On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Crest 
Christopher wrote:




What is the second web developer tools extension for Chrome ?




"resize window" and "wed developer tools" are the names.

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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[css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 
I've done some preview on iPhone5c and a iPhone5 the specs are the same, 
why is my footer menu rendering different, makes no sense ? Am I right 
in assuming that there isn't a difference and it's the web app to which 
I'm using ?


iPhone 5c
Resolution 640 x 1136 pixels (~326 ppi pixel density)


iPhone 5
Resolution 640 x 1136 pixels (~326 ppi pixel density)

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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh 

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 07:51, Crest Christopher  
> wrote:
> 
> True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?

Don’t trust the Chrome emulator. The rendering of the page you see there is 
based on the Blink rendering engine, which nowadays is quite different from the 
Webkit rendering engine.
The only thing where that emulator is useful is evaluating how your page might 
look like given a viewport of xxx px by yyy px.

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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Tom Livingston 
browserstack.com has mobile devices.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher 
wrote:

> I mean; to preview the changes, to verify the changes are done correctly,
> not doing it blind folded !
>
> Tom Livingston wrote:
>
>
> browserstack.com  has mobile devices.
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher
>    crestchristop...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
>
> The other emulator I'm using uses iOS 7.1.2 and the default Safari
> browser.  How can I makes the fixes using a legitimate WebKit
> browser, I thought Chrome used WebKit ?
>
> Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
>
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 07:51, Crest
> Christopher  wrote:
>
> True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?
>
>
> Don’t trust the Chrome emulator. The rendering of the page you
> see there is based on the Blink rendering engine, which
> nowadays is quite different from the Webkit rendering engine.
> The only thing where that emulator is useful is evaluating how
> your page might look like given a viewport of xxx px by yyy px.
>
> Philippe
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Karl DeSaulniers 
On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Crest Christopher  
wrote:

> What if you don't have an iPhone or a Mac to begin with, there is no other 
> options besides Chrome, or am I wrong ?
> 

Not true. Firefox has many developer tools too.
You can still do this on safari on PC with your iphone too I believe.
I just have not tried.

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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 
I probably need a userAgent for Chrome, that doesn't make sense 
considering iPhone 5 and 5c are identical yet on the 5c the page has a 
few hiccups !


Tom Livingston wrote:


Other than viewport sizes, emulators aren't going to show you anything
reliable.



On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher
> wrote:

Those tools don't list devices by name.

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:


On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Crest
Christopher wrote:


What is the second web developer tools extension for Chrome ?




"resize window" and "wed developer tools" are the names.

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh 

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 07:21, Crest Christopher  
> wrote:
> 
> I've done some preview on iPhone5c and a iPhone5 the specs are the same, why 
> is my footer menu rendering different, makes no sense ? Am I right in 
> assuming that there isn't a difference and it's the web app to which I'm 
> using ?

The obvious question of course : do those devices run the same OS ? Same 
version of Mobile Safari (which is basically the same question)?

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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 
The other emulator I'm using uses iOS 7.1.2 and the default Safari 
browser.  How can I makes the fixes using a legitimate WebKit browser, I 
thought Chrome used WebKit ?


Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

On Oct 14, 2015, at 07:51, Crest Christopher  wrote:

True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?


Don’t trust the Chrome emulator. The rendering of the page you see there is 
based on the Blink rendering engine, which nowadays is quite different from the 
Webkit rendering engine.
The only thing where that emulator is useful is evaluating how your page might 
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 
I mean; to preview the changes, to verify the changes are done 
correctly, not doing it blind folded !


Tom Livingston wrote:


browserstack.com  has mobile devices.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher
> wrote:

The other emulator I'm using uses iOS 7.1.2 and the default Safari
browser. How can I makes the fixes using a legitimate WebKit
browser, I thought Chrome used WebKit ?

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

On Oct 14, 2015, at 07:51, Crest
Christopher wrote:

True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?


Don’t trust the Chrome emulator. The rendering of the page you
see there is based on the Blink rendering engine, which
nowadays is quite different from the Webkit rendering engine.
The only thing where that emulator is useful is evaluating how
your page might look like given a viewport of xxx px by yyy px.

Philippe
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Tom Livingston 
browserstack.com has mobile devices.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, Crest Christopher 
wrote:

> The other emulator I'm using uses iOS 7.1.2 and the default Safari
> browser.  How can I makes the fixes using a legitimate WebKit browser, I
> thought Chrome used WebKit ?
>
> Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
>
>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 07:51, Crest Christopher
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?
>>>
>>
>> Don’t trust the Chrome emulator. The rendering of the page you see there
>> is based on the Blink rendering engine, which nowadays is quite different
>> from the Webkit rendering engine.
>> The only thing where that emulator is useful is evaluating how your page
>> might look like given a viewport of xxx px by yyy px.
>>
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Karl DeSaulniers 
For chrome, I suggest one of the many extensions.
Resize Window, web developer tools, etc, etc.

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
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On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Crest Christopher  
> wrote:
> 
>> True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?
> 
> Well, not sure on chrome, but you can use safari on a mac to inspect element 
> on safari iphone. 
> just plug your iphone into your mac. open safari on your phone. go to your 
> page on your phone. 
> then look at safari on your desktop. Under the menu "Develop" you will see 
> your phones name.
> hover over it and it should show you an inspect element option for the page 
> on your safari mobile.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Karl DeSaulniers
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 
What if you don't have an iPhone or a Mac to begin with, there is no 
other options besides Chrome, or am I wrong ?


Karl DeSaulniers wrote:


On Oct 13, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Crest 
Christopher wrote:




True, how does one compare how Chrome emulates a device ?



Well, not sure on chrome, but you can use safari on a mac to inspect 
element on safari iphone.
just plug your iphone into your mac. open safari on your phone. go to 
your page on your phone.
then look at safari on your desktop. Under the menu "Develop" you will 
see your phones name.
hover over it and it should show you an inspect element option for the 
page on your safari mobile.


Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Karl DeSaulniers 
On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Crest Christopher  
wrote:

> Another web developer tool for Chrome ?
> 


That is what I have are those two.

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Re: [css-d] iPhone difference 5 & 5c ?

2015-10-13 Thread Crest Christopher 

What is the second web developer tools extension for Chrome ?

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:


On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Crest 
Christopher wrote:




Another web developer tool for Chrome ?





That is what I have are those two.

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