Re: [css-d] IE 5 and 6-- main content div drop

2008-12-22 Thread David Jones
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> [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Todd Bingham
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:42 PM
> To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> Subject: [css-d] IE 5 and 6-- main content div drop
> 
> Hey, everyone, thanks in advance;
> 
> This site:
> 
> http://www.ruthinstitute.org
> 
> seems to have something it my template page that won't play nice with
> IE6 and some times 5DW's checker says it's a word 
> wrap issue and Adobe's page says to use 
> overflow:hidden.didn't seem to work as you can see here.'
> 
> http://www.ruthinstitute.org/browsershot.jpg
> 
> (evidently IE6 doesn't/didn't approve of png's, either)
> 
> I tried overflow:hidden.the option from Adobe is a 
> conditional comment.will you kindly assist me in what 
> that would entail...or if you have another work-around I 
> would be most obliged...
> 
> todd
> ..
> .
> Todd Bingham
> toddbing...@mac.com
> 760806 7699

Valid HTML and CSS would help:

HTML
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruthinstitu
te.org%2F

CSS
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri
=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruthinstitute.org%2F

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Re: [css-d] resetting global font size

2008-12-09 Thread David Jones
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> Angela French
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:46 PM
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> Subject: [css-d] resetting global font size
> 
> I have recently taken over this site: http://checkoutacollege.com/.
> There have been complaints about the small font size on the 
> body content so I'm looking at the CSS to see how I might 
> easily remedy the situation.  The body has a font-size of 
> .625em.  The center content has a font-size of 1.1em.  I 
> thought, since ems are relative to the font-size of their 
> parent containers, that perhaps I could experiment with the 
> font-size for the body, by increasing it to say .7em, or .8em.
> I tried upping it and nothing changed.  Can anyone tell me 
> why changing this would not cascade down to all the other 
> font size settings?

What's wrong with simply trusting that the visitor has their preferred
font setting already set - and not setting a font size on body at all?

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Re: [css-d] [OT] Need Screenshot Please

2008-12-05 Thread David Jones
Here are some other options:

* PC hardware is cheap. You may already have an older PC sitting around.
Install a friendly Linux distribution like Kubuntu on it and you have a
PC handy for testing sites. You can even use it to run your own personal
webserver, useful perhaps for testing.

* Use the free VMWare player to run a Linux image on your existing
Windows PC. There are a number of free Linux VMWare images available,
including official ones of Ubuntu, OpenSUSE 10.2, etc.

* Boot your regular PC using one of the many Live Linux CDs around (I
like Sidux, but every Linux distro has a live CD version) and look at
your site using Konqueror.

You don't have to pay big bucks and put up with slow performance to test
websites under Linux browsers like Konqueror.

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> Subject: Re: [css-d] [OT] Need Screenshot Please
> 
> 
> >> There is a very nifty free screen shot service at 
> >> http://browsershots.org/ that will do a Linux Konqueror 
> 3.5 shot for 
> >> you.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, Sandy, that's good to know.  Unfortunately, it 
> won't work 
> > in  this instance.  To get the screenshot I'm after, you need to 
> > interact  with the page first.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Frank
> > 
> 
> Frank, there is something else you can do.
> 
> http://www.browsercam.com/
> 
> has zombie computers you can take over, and they have 
> Konqueror 3.4.0-5 and Konqueror 4.1.00.
> 
> You get a one day pass, 24 hours and up to 200 captures for free. 
> Monthly passes are pricey, $40 - $80, depending on your 
> options. Running the zombies is very slow, but you do get to 
> see how your page functions interactively.
> 
> Good luck!
> Sandy
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Re: [css-d] Row of Images Position Problem IE6

2008-09-23 Thread David Jones
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> Carol Huddleston
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> Subject: [css-d] Row of Images Position Problem IE6
> 
> This page seems to work okay in FF, Safari, IE7 and Opera, 
> but in IE6, the last row of images floats off to the right.
> 
> http://www.prairiedreamstudio.com/testgallery.html
> http://www.prairiedreamstudio.com/css/layout.css
> http://www.prairiedreamstudio.com/css/allie.css
> 
> I know I probably did the images in some weird, convoluted 
> way, but it's the only way I could figure out how to do it.
> 
> Thanks in advance,

Hmmm, W3C validator reports 10 errors in your "XHTML 1.0 Strict"
document:

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prairiedrea
mstudio.com%2Ftestgallery.html

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Re: [css-d] a great CSS experiment: how to build it

2008-09-18 Thread David Jones
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Gray
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: Gabriele Romanato; css-discuss
> Subject: Re: [css-d] a great CSS experiment: how to build it
> 
> > Dear all,
> > today I've made a great CSS experiment and I'd like to 
> share it with you.
> > At 11:00 AM I've taken a bus to the local station.
> > I've waited until 11:46 PM. Then I've crossed the railway 
> lines just 
> > before the train was arriving.
> > The police didn't agree that this was an experiment, so I 
> was taken to 
> > the hospital and filled up with antidepressives. The result of the 
> > experiment is: CSS can't save your life.
> 
> Obviously you were not using CSS 2.1 !

No, it's bugs in the Reality Browser's CSS implementation - causing
floated elements to overlap when they're not supposed to. The process of
porting it from The Matrix has been very rough on testers - we should
all applaud Gabriele's courage in testing it!

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Re: [css-d] Possible to install multiple versions of IE?

2008-09-17 Thread David Jones
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> Hedley Finger
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> Subject: [css-d] Possible to install multiple versions of IE?
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> 
> Currently, I was using IE 7 just for day-to-day browsing for years.  
> Just recently I started to build my website and now have 
> installed several browsers for testing.  Is it possible to 
> install IE 5.5.x, 6.x, and 7.x on the same box?
> 
> I ask because when Microsoft was sued for anti-competitive 
> behaviour they tried to claim that IE was part of the 
> operating system, and buried the location of iexplore.exe in 
> a unique location, i.e. not C:\Program Files\.
> 
> So, I am worried that any attempt to install older versions 
> will somehow wipe out 7 or otherwise disrupt it.  Can anyone 
> tell me if this is possible and point to where I can download 
> old browsers?  Microsoft appear to have only updaters 
> available, no good if you don't have the original!

Lots of links in Google about how to do it:

http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+install+multiple+versions+of+IE+on
+Windows

Only caveat I'm aware of is that any IE installed in such a fashion
appears as the highest installed version (IE7, in your case) when
evaluating MS conditional comments.

Another option is to use VMWare or some other virtual PC technology to
install and run a virtual Windows PC on your existing one, and install
the older IE version on it. You can have a separate virtual machine for
each different browser version. Each browser set up this way responds to
IE conditional comments as its own version.

Want an older version of a browser? Try evolt.org:

http://browsers.evolt.org/

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Re: [css-d] Lightweight HTTP server for beginner's http://localhost/ ?

2008-09-05 Thread David Jones

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> Subject: Re: [css-d] Lightweight HTTP server for beginner's 
> http://localhost/ ?
> 
> 
> > Can anybody recommend a suitable lightweight HTTP server 
> that even a 
> > complete newbie from Mars could set up with the local site root 
> > specified, etc.?
> 
> I don't really think this qualifies as lightweight, but I set 
> up apache a couple of times and it was really easy. I only 
> mention this because I feel like I have the same "gaps" in 
> knowledge that you do. I'm a novice css'er, I don't do it for 
> a living, and I actually don't enjoy css and html b/c I feel 
> like it takes a creative person to do anything interesting 
> with it, which I am not. Anyway, I'm sure there are some 
> experienced people who do like it and do do it for a living 
> who will have opinions on this.

Setting it up using Apache2Triad <http://apache2triad.net> makes it very
lightweight. Lightweight enough that I used to run it on my old desktop
Windows98 PC ... Apache2Triad is very easy for novices (and when it
comes to configuring a web server, that's pretty much exactly where I
am!)

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Re: [css-d] Trouble with line-height and overflow:hidden

2008-08-22 Thread David Jones
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> Subject: [css-d] Trouble with line-height and  overflow:hidden
> 
> What I need to achieve:
> A CMS template provides a fix-sized  (height and width are px-
> based) in which I need to display arbitrary text entered by 
> the user.  
> Hence, if the full text doesn't fit into the  it needs 
> to be cut off i.e. invisible. So, the  style will 
> contain overflow:hidden.
> However, since the last line of visible text in the  
> must not be cut off horizontally I need to tinker with the 
> line-attribute, right?
> 
> The inherited font-size for the  is 1em. I played around 
> with the line-height value in 'em' until I could make sure 
> that no pixel of the last visible line of text in the  
> is cut off. Then I switched browser/OS and got totally 
> different results - line-heigths are always different.
> 
> Am I using the wrong approach here? Is it even possible to 
> achieve in CSS what the design folks require in their 
> Photoshop layouts?

Suggest instead that you get them away from designing in Photoshop - because 
Photoshop is not dynamic about its presentation but is static - the opposite of 
the web.

I'd set the box height in ems, because then you've got a measure that's 
connected with the font size used. You can set your line height indepently of 
units, so you can calculate a box height to hold X number of lines - I'd think 
that if you're using 1em font size and a line height of 1.4, a box to hold 10 
lines of text would be 10x1.4 = 14 ems. I've not tested this, but I think that 
would make the 10th line of text be right at the bottom of the box, not 
partially cut off by falling outside the fixed height of the box.

Plus the box height would still be usable for visitors who've increased or 
decreased their font size (another feature of the web that makes Photoshop a 
poor design choice).


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Re: [css-d] background works for one page, not for other

2008-08-08 Thread David Jones
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> Jonny Stephens
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> 
> On 8 Aug 2008, at 19:49, CSSHelp wrote:
> 
> > CSS background issue, I think.  Has to do with cacheing possibly?
> >
> > I created a shopping cart using an animated gif as the 
> background.   
> > Here is
> > the website :
> > http://www.universalfulllacewigs.com/
> >
> > Now it works fine except for the product page, when I click on the 
> > product page, the background doesn't load until I hit f5.  
> Here is the 
> > product page:
> > http://www.universalfulllacewigs.com/product.asp?pid=35
> >
> > Has anyone encountered such a thing?  It works for every 
> page except 
> > the product page.
> 
> Please accept the following for the serious observation it's 
> intended to be.
> 
> I'm unable to tolerate looking at this site for more than a 
> few seconds due to feelings of nausea caused by the constant 
> throbbing movement of the animation. I'm not usually 
> susceptible to motion sickness so it's likely that many 
> visitors to the site could be similarly affected. The effect 
> risks distracting attention from the site content.
> 
> Also, on Mac browsers I'm seeing a marked sluggishness with 
> jerky scrolling and page resizing.

Here in FF/WinXP, it scrolled a bit jerky until all the wig images came
down. It took a good while for all the wig images to come down - perhaps
each image is much larger than it needs to be and is being scaled down
in CSS/HTML?

The throbbing stars are cute but very annoying ... Not nauseating, but
like a spoiled child jumping up all the time shouting "Look at me, look
at me!"

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Re: [css-d] a:hover vs images with alpha chanel

2008-08-04 Thread David Jones
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> Subject: [css-d] a:hover vs images with alpha chanel
> 
> hi there,
> 
> does anyone have a good way of universally disabling
> 
>   a:hover{background-color}
> 
> for images? i always have this problem, and i'm never 
> satisfied with the solution. it seems that you could fix it by styling
> 
>   a img {background-color: transparent}
> 
> or
> 
>   a:hover img {background-color: transparent}
> 
> but it seems like these never work. i also couldn't find 
> anything new in the archives. but it's still worth asking: 
> does anyone have a brilliant solution for this that i've 
> never seen before?

Joshn, hmm, not sure what you mean by disabling background-color on
hover? Other than to specify what color you want used.

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Re: [css-d] BETTER! much reduced code, should be a lot easier to see

2008-07-28 Thread David Jones
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> Hi sorry about the last post that may be hard to understand 
> here is a much refined version, I am trying to make the 
> headertop class go to the right top of the page it is messing 
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> all pete tong (for those not in the uk who don't speak 
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Re: [css-d] Who is this person ?

2008-07-25 Thread David Jones
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> Who is the person who created this template for me?
> 
> http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/chris.html

Hmmm, if you go to the parent domain and scroll down a bit, you'll see
his name listed under Contact ... 

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Re: [css-d] IE margin, padding, and .png issues

2008-07-14 Thread David Jones
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> 
> URL: http://www.objectivedesigns.com/amittius/white/index.htm
> CSS: http://www.objectivedesigns.com/amittius/white/index.css
> 
> On Windows XP Pro... FF3, Opera 9.51, and Safari 3.1.2 
> display the site correctly. IE7 and IE6 don't. IE7 shows 
> everything right except the padding on the links in the 
> footer (it doesn't put padding on the bottom of the links, 
> only the sides and the top). IE6 has this same problem, but 
> it also doesn't correctly execute the margins of the light 
> blue boxes that are within the body text. It pushes them too 
> far away from the sides of the container. IE6 also seems to 
> be unable to correctly display PNG images with 
> semi-transparent pixels (the background images that appear 
> around the header, container, and footer).

Try validate your CSS?

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri
=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.objectivedesigns.com%2Famittius%2Fwhite%2Findex.htm

IE6 doesn't support PNG's 256-levels of transparency. Other folk on the
list know what to do about that ... 

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Re: [css-d] image background question

2008-07-09 Thread David Jones
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> trying to figure out how to use a small image (such as a fat 
> arrow) as a background.  want to be able to re use the arrow 
> and place different numbers over it. I've tried the 
> following, but the arrow does not
> display:
> 
> h3 span.arrow{
> height: 5px;
> width: 24px;
> margin: 10px;
> background-image: url(images/arrow.png);
> background-repeat: no-repeat;
> }
> 
> 2. something here
> 
> any ideas?

Hmmm, perhaps try using padding instead of margin?

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Re: [css-d] EM based layout issue between Firefox and Safari on Mac

2008-07-09 Thread David Jones
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> David,
> 
> Thanks for your response, I am surprised to see the rounding 
> you have found but only slightly, heh.
> The article by Georg was also interesting thanks for the 
> link. From reading it I get the sense that he is expecting 
> that what we are intending is that the body text remain the 
> 10px that setting it to 62.5% creates. Really what I am 
> intending is to create a nice even number I can use to build 
> a layout with. I counteract the 10px for the text size by 
> setting the font-size on interior elements to my actual 
> desired font size. My understanding was that by setting the 
> base font size to 62.5% I made 1em = 10px so then I can use 
> that to style my margins and etc in 10px increments using 
> ems. I can also get 12px font by setting a font size of 1.2em 
> on a container, 14px with 1.4em etc.
> 
> So it's really something I am doing to work my layout, not my fonts.  
> The issue I was having was because of some local settings I 
> had at some point changed where my font in safari was changed 
> to a 14 point font rather than the default 16 I was expecting.

Of course, if you can accidentally change your default font setting,
your visitor can deliberately change his or her default font setting,
too, and upset all your design calculations. Perhaps it's better to
think in terms of a 1em grid than a "10px" grid ... 

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Re: [css-d] relative positioning

2008-05-28 Thread David Jones
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> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:44:31PM +0100, Alan K Baker wrote:
> > According to my books position:relative is to give a point of 
> > reference to any absolute positioned elements inside it. 
> That's always 
> > been my understanding and it's always worked.
> > 
> > "CSS The Missing Manual" says: Relative - A relatively 
> placed element 
> > is placed relative to its current position in the HTML flow. So for 
> > example, setting a top value of 20px and a left value of 200px on a 
> > relatively positioned headline moves the headline 20px down 
> and 200px 
> > to the left from wherever it would normally appear.
> > 
> > So if you've set a position say top and left the  will 
> move, but 
> > position:relative is not the reason, it's set for the 
> benefit of other 
> > elements.
> 
> Yes, that all matches my understanding. Goto this 
> browsershots.org url:
> 
> http://browsershots.org/http://lpnc.us/donate.php
> 
> You'll see that IE7 gets it right while IE6 has some 
> unexplainable offset. It also works just fine in gecko browsers.
> 
> In trying to figure it out I removed all the styling from the 
> form and its fieldsets. All ok. Then I added just
> 
> fieldset { position: relative; }
> 
> and there was the crazy offset. It doesn't even seem to be 
> related to any other screen element.

My guess is that IE6 has a different idea about just what it is
positioning the  relative to?

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Re: [css-d] How to align list numbers?

2008-05-27 Thread David Jones
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> On 5/23/08, David Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks, Josh (and Jukka and Phillipe).
> >
> >  I tried the list-style-position: inside option. When text wraps in 
> > the  list item, it wraps back to the start of the item number. That 
> > wouldn't  be acceptable here.
> >
> I could see why that wouldn't work, but also how it could be 
> made to work, so I started tinkering:
> 
> http://www.dramatic.co.nz/testing/lefty_roman_list.html
> 
> It's not a perfect solution, as it requires extra markup 
> inside the list items: A div to make the content line up with 
> itself, and a non-breaking space to force the browser to keep 
> the item number outside the div. I only have Opera, firefox 2 
> and IE6 available to test with at present, but its working 
> fine on all of those

Thanks, Richard, that's not a bad solution, at least in terms of minimal
impact on the markup. I suppose if we knew XSLT, we could have the CMS
automatically adjust the markup to add the parts to it. Unfortunately,
as it is now, the CMS' editor doesn't support adding div tags except in
Code View, and we're doing our level best to keep our content creators
away from Code View.

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Re: [css-d] Browser compatibility with basic background formats?

2008-05-22 Thread David Jones
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> 
> On May 23, 2008, at 7:34 AM, e h wrote:
> 
> > I have had a website up and running for ages, www.brierleywines.com 
> > (css iswww.brierleywines.com/images/brierley.css).  It is 
> quite basic, 
> > and I have never had any issues with it before, but now the 
> background 
> > colour and gradient image for the  are not showing up in the 
> > newest (2.0.0.14) Firefox and IE browsers - it appears when 
> I load the 
> > working copy from my hard drive into firefox, but not via the 
> > internet/server.  The host I'm using does have an 
> advertising banner 
> > at the top, but I've checked the html adjustments that it makes and 
> > can't find any issues here, (although it's a possibility, 
> checked via 
> > 'view source').
> 
> Your host _is_ the problem.
> Their scripts are injecting ads into your stylesheet, at the 
> very top of it. As a result, any browser things that all that 
> ad-crap is part of the first selector (body in an 'unedited' 
> stylesheet).
> 
> Time to look for a better host, I think.

Or contact your existing one and let them know that there's no point in
their scripts injecting ads into CSS files - they only mess up the CSS
file and aren't seen by anyone. (Be interesting to know if they're also
injecting ads into external JS files.) Sounds like they don't really
know what they're doing ... 

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Re: [css-d] off-left technique and width

2008-05-22 Thread David Jones
Rainer Wagener wrote:
> Ingo Chao schrieb:
>> The off-left technique [1] often comes with a width set.
>> Does anyone remember the reason for this width? IE5-Mac?
> 
> Because otherwise the hidden element could possibly extend into the 
> viewport. 'overflow:hidden' could also be added to prevent 
> this on scaling.

The thought occurred to me that without a width, IE's autoexpansion bug
might decide that the off-left item really needed to be wide enough to
hold its content and widen the element enough for part of it to appear
in the viewport?

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Re: [css-d] How to align list numbers?

2008-05-22 Thread David Jones
Thanks, Josh (and Jukka and Phillipe).

I tried the list-style-position: inside option. When text wraps in the
list item, it wraps back to the start of the item number. That wouldn't
be acceptable here.

Using generated content is out because our corporate standard web
browser is IE6. IE7 and later aren't even on the testing horizon, and
only a few people get special permission to use Firefox or Opera (for
the purposes of testing our public sites).

Jukka, interesting that you mention using table markup instead. That's
what our current enterprise content management (ECM) system uses. Its
content editing tool has outline buttons that transparently do the heavy
lifting of creating/destroying table elements, calculating outline
numbers, etc. The content editing tool of our soon-to-come new ECM uses
standard list markup instead - so working with
outlines-marked-up-as-tables will be a tedious manual process. (And,
unfortunately, when our content converted over into the new system, the
outlines came across as tables.)

We have hundreds of pages with the outline-tables problem, so I guess
we're just going to have to put up with them and over time get rid of
the outline-tables.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of snak detek+0r
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:39 AM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] How to align list numbers?

David Jones wrote:
> Is there a way to align roman numeral list numbers left, instead of 
> right-aligned on the period?
>  
> Example:
> I. List item 1
> II. List item 2
>  
> Instead of:
>  I. List item 1
> II. List item 2

i suggested this to david offlist, but since it seems like a simple
answer to a simple question, i'm reposting to the list, for the record.

ul { list-style-position: inside }

as described here:
http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/list/lsposition.htm

(happy to read why this is an inferior solution, though :-)

josh

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[css-d] How to align list numbers?

2008-05-21 Thread David Jones
Is there a way to align roman numeral list numbers left, instead of
right-aligned on the period?
 
Example:
I. List item 1
II. List item 2
 
Instead of:
 I. List item 1
II. List item 2
 
Thanks in advance. And apologies for whatever corporate-mandated
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