Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
On 10/26/06, Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/26/06, Chris Ovenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is incorrect. It used to be true of other IE versions, but this time around Microsoft have provided a way to roll back the installation to IE6, using the Add/Remove Programs control panel. The functionality is there, but have you tested it? I admittedly haven't tried with the official IE7 release, but when I tried to roll back from the last release candidate it left me with no functioning IE at all. Deskside tech support wasn't able to get it working and we wound up reinstalling Windows. So you might be able to roll back, and if it really works, that's great - but I'm still sticking with the standalone installs. Fair point, and sorry to hear of your troubles. I successfully rolled back the beta a couple of times - haven't actually tried the final release, but I'm not worried that it won't roll back. When I installed, it automatically uninstalled the RC1 version which was on there at the time - which is the correct behaviour. It has to do this so that rolling back the final release results in IE6 not whichever test version. PITA though, as it rebooted my machine twice. If it hadn't done that, though, I would be worried. I didn't know there were standalone versions of IE7. I have to say, I have already started to see IE6 as a browser on which sites may degrade gracefully. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
I didn't know there were standalone versions of IE7. There probably are, but that's not what I meant. I was referring to using standalone versions of IE6, as opposed to trying to roll back to it. -- Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
On 10/27/06, Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know there were standalone versions of IE7. There probably are, but that's not what I meant. I was referring to using standalone versions of IE6, as opposed to trying to roll back to it. Sorry I misunderstod. I thought you meant you were sticking with IE6. I too am happy to use a slightly defective version of IE6 for testing purposes. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
On 10/19/06, Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming you want to upgrade, do be careful about installing it, as there's no going back. This is incorrect. It used to be true of other IE versions, but this time around Microsoft have provided a way to roll back the installation to IE6, using the Add/Remove Programs control panel. -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
On 10/26/06, Chris Ovenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is incorrect. It used to be true of other IE versions, but this time around Microsoft have provided a way to roll back the installation to IE6, using the Add/Remove Programs control panel. The functionality is there, but have you tested it? I admittedly haven't tried with the official IE7 release, but when I tried to roll back from the last release candidate it left me with no functioning IE at all. Deskside tech support wasn't able to get it working and we wound up reinstalling Windows. So you might be able to roll back, and if it really works, that's great - but I'm still sticking with the standalone installs. -- Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
Amazing, they finally installed tabs. Isn't Microsoft extraordinary! ... Maybe it'll run so badly that people will finally stop using IE entirely. ... Or is this going to mean one more web browser to fix things for. I guess Microsoft could keep issuing browsers that were less and less compliant and end up taking up all of everyone's time. ... Here is a relevant link folks on this list might be interested in: Whatever your personal opinions on Microsoft are, please don't vent them on this list. They have nothing to do with CSS. Does anyone know anything about the relationship between this version and CSS and other web standards? There is nothing I could see on the Microsoft introductory site that mentions this. I guess it's not surprising given who Microsoft is, but for most web designers this will be the critical issue. Well you could try checking out the link that's currently included in the footer that gets attached to each and every message this list sends out http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 There you will find both info about what level of conformity to expect from IE7 as well as links to the IE7 teams announcements about such. (Those announcements by the way are on their development blog which has been widely publicised in web design circles) So people, just a word to encourage people to discuss the practical issues that IE7 throws up and to remind you all of the existence of the IE7 page on the wiki. But let's lay off the whole $COMPANY rants please. Alex Robinson css-d moderator __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
snip Kenoli's rant OK, IE7 may just have been officially released this week, but it's been available for download as a beta for months and months. There have been several discussions about its capabilities on this list, and there's a dediated discussion board here: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 ...which I see Alex has pointed out while I was being slow to reply... Anyway, the short answer is that IE7 is a massive improvement in terms of standards compliance. I believe that if everyone upgraded immediately we would see our cross-browser compatibility concerns reduced to various minor issues of the sort that all browsers have, rather than the major gaps which seem to have characterized IE for so long. Sadly, not everyone will upgrade immediately, and we may not see widespread adoption of 7 until there's widespread adoption of Vista, which of course won't happen until some time after Vista's release. Assuming you want to upgrade, do be careful about installing it, as there's no going back. You may want to look into the varioius standalone solutions that let you have multiple versions of IE installed, to make multibrowser testing easier. -- Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
At 4:29 PM +0100 10/19/06, Alex Robinson wrote: So people, just a word to encourage people to discuss the practical issues that IE7 throws up and to remind you all of the existence of the IE7 page on the wiki. But let's lay off the whole $COMPANY rants please. I'd just like to second that. I expect that there will be a lot of discussion about IE7 and how it handles CSS. In fact, I'd be very disappointed if there wasn't. There will no doubt be people here on the list who will try IE7 on their designs, find problems, and need help fixing them. That's what the list is here for: to help each other use CSS. I also do expect there will be a little bit of venting here and there, especially from those who have problems or who didn't get their favorite CSS thingamabob in IE7. I'd just like to ask everyone to try to leave those out as much as possible. Wouldn't you feel silly if you posted a long diatribe about how incompetent Microsoft is in breaking your site, only to find that the problem was actually that IE7 does a BETTER job of CSS than it used to, and some long-forgotten CSS hack or conditionally commented fix was really the culprit? I know I would. So if there are problems, by all means come here for help, but let's all do it civilly. Even if no solution can be found, we'll all learn a lot more by working on the problem than by venting spleens. (Not that I disapprove of spleen-venting in general. I just oppose it here on the list, as it lowers our signal-to-noise ratio and I want to keep that as high as possible.) So, to recap: IE7 is out, and I think just about everyone here is keen to find out what it can and can't do. Discuss problems and new features here, if you like. Summarize findings on http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7. Please dial the rants down as far as possible. Thanks! -- Eric A. Meyer (http://meyerweb.com/eric/), List Chaperone CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously. -- Martina Kosloff (http://mako4css.com/) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
Is there any way of running IE7 or earlier on a Mac? Phil On 19/10/06 16:39, Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kenoli's rant OK, IE7 may just have been officially released this week, but it's been available for download as a beta for months and months. There have been several discussions about its capabilities on this list, and there's a dediated discussion board here: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 ...which I see Alex has pointed out while I was being slow to reply... Anyway, the short answer is that IE7 is a massive improvement in terms of standards compliance. I believe that if everyone upgraded immediately we would see our cross-browser compatibility concerns reduced to various minor issues of the sort that all browsers have, rather than the major gaps which seem to have characterized IE for so long. Sadly, not everyone will upgrade immediately, and we may not see widespread adoption of 7 until there's widespread adoption of Vista, which of course won't happen until some time after Vista's release. Assuming you want to upgrade, do be careful about installing it, as there's no going back. You may want to look into the varioius standalone solutions that let you have multiple versions of IE installed, to make multibrowser testing easier. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: IE7 release
On 10/19/06, Phil Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way of running IE7 or earlier on a Mac? There used to be a Mac version of IE, but it's no longer supported. You can, of course, run IE with any of the various solutions for running a full Windows environment on your Mac - such as Parallels (if you have an Intel system), for example. -- Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
