Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
At 13:23 -0800 on 01/15/2010, Thierry Koblentz wrote about Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?: I don't agree. RADAR is an acronym because you're not supposed to spell the letters. CPU is an initialism, because you are supposed to spell the letters. Considering CPU (or else) as both an acronym and initialism would allow two different pronunciations. Initialisms are a subset of Acronyms - IOW: All Initialisms are Acronyms since both stand for the initial letter(s) of a phrase (RAdio Detection And Ranging and Central Processing Unit respectively). The way the string is pronounced determines where an Acronym is also an Initialism. The pronunciation does NOT prevent a Initialism from being an Acronym. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Bob Rosenberg wrote: At 13:23 -0800 on 01/15/2010, Thierry Koblentz wrote about Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?: I don't agree. RADAR is an acronym because you're not supposed to spell the letters. CPU is an initialism, because you are supposed to spell the letters. Considering CPU (or else) as both an acronym and initialism would allow two different pronunciations. Initialisms are a subset of Acronyms - IOW: All Initialisms are Acronyms since both stand for the initial letter(s) of a phrase (RAdio Detection And Ranging and Central Processing Unit respectively). The way the string is pronounced determines where an Acronym is also an Initialism. The pronunciation does NOT prevent a Initialism from being an Acronym. You have that backwards. Acronyms are a subset of initialisms; not all initialisms are acronyms. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
I do believe Eric himself shut this conversation down a couple of days ago. It's not in any way related to CSS. Theresa On Jan 17, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Bob Rosenberg wrote: At 13:23 -0800 on 01/15/2010, Thierry Koblentz wrote about Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?: I don't agree. RADAR is an acronym because you're not supposed to spell the letters. CPU is an initialism, because you are supposed to spell the letters. Considering CPU (or else) as both an acronym and initialism would allow two different pronunciations. Initialisms are a subset of Acronyms - IOW: All Initialisms are Acronyms since both stand for the initial letter(s) of a phrase (RAdio Detection And Ranging and Central Processing Unit respectively). The way the string is pronounced determines where an Acronym is also an Initialism. The pronunciation does NOT prevent a Initialism from being an Acronym. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
Initialisms are a subset of Acronyms - IOW: All Initialisms are Acronyms since both stand for the initial letter(s) of a phrase (RAdio Detection And Ranging and Central Processing Unit respectively). The way the string is pronounced determines where an Acronym is also an Initialism. The pronunciation does NOT prevent a Initialism from being an Acronym. You have that backwards. Acronyms are a subset of initialisms; not all initialisms are acronyms. That means that Merriam-Webster's Collegiate also has it wrong with their entries of: INITIALISM : an *acronym* formed from initial letters ACRONYM : a word (as NATO, radar, or snafu) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term I'm not going to labor the point, but I stick with my original assertion that initialisms are acronyms, but not all acronyms are initialisms. Rob Emenecker @ Hairy Dog Digital www.hairydogdigital.com Please note: Return e-mail messages are only accepted from discussion groups that this e-mail address subscribes to. All other messages are automatically deleted. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
You're right. Sorry. He did. Rob Emenecker @ Hairy Dog Digital www.hairydogdigital.com Please note: Return e-mail messages are only accepted from discussion groups that this e-mail address subscribes to. All other messages are automatically deleted. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Rob Emenecker wrote: Initialisms are a subset of Acronyms - IOW: All Initialisms are Acronyms since both stand for the initial letter(s) of a phrase (RAdio Detection And Ranging and Central Processing Unit respectively). The way the string is pronounced determines where an Acronym is also an Initialism. The pronunciation does NOT prevent a Initialism from being an Acronym. You have that backwards. Acronyms are a subset of initialisms; not all initialisms are acronyms. That means that Merriam-Webster's Collegiate also has it wrong It wouldn't be the first time. with their entries of: INITIALISM : an *acronym* formed from initial letters If that definition is correct, then FBI, RCMP, etc. are not initialism because they are not words. ACRONYM : a word (as NATO, radar, or snafu) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term I'm not going to labor the point, but I stick with my original assertion that initialisms are acronyms, but not all acronyms are initialisms. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfajohnson.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
initialism |iˈni sh əˌlizəm| noun an abbreviation consisting of initial letters pronounced separately (e.g.,CPU). • an acronym. Okay, I accept that. The earlier post suggested that an initialism was a *different* entity from an acronym. Rather, an initialism is an acronym, but an acronym (based on pronunciation) is not always an initialism. They are not mutually exclusive. Since initialisms are acronyms, the ACRONYM element would still apply to them. :-) Rob Emenecker @ Hairy Dog Digital www.hairydogdigital.com Please note: Return e-mail messages are only accepted from discussion groups that this e-mail address subscribes to. All other messages are automatically deleted. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
initialism |iˈni sh əˌlizəm| noun an abbreviation consisting of initial letters pronounced separately (e.g.,CPU). • an acronym. Okay, I accept that. The earlier post suggested that an initialism was a *different* entity from an acronym. Rather, an initialism is an acronym, but an acronym (based on pronunciation) is not always an initialism. They are not mutually exclusive. Since initialisms are acronyms, the ACRONYM element would still apply to them. :-) I don't agree. RADAR is an acronym because you're not supposed to spell the letters. CPU is an initialism, because you are supposed to spell the letters. Considering CPU (or else) as both an acronym and initialism would allow two different pronunciations. -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
