Re: [css-d] Browser Statistics

2006-01-30 Thread Ian Anderson 
Bob Easton wrote:

 If you are trying to make a decision about which browsers to support, 
 the *only* place you should be looking is your own site's logs. 
 Determine what your actual audience uses, not some sample of an unknown 
 audience.

I think this is potentially bad advice in that it can be easiy 
misapplied. I don't disagree with the basic idea you're trying to get 
across, which is to support what your desired audience uses, but relying 
on your own server logs as the main method is of determining this is flawed.

Imagine that the site in question has some accessibility problems, or 
uses Flash in unpleasant ways. Looking at the server logs will primarily 
tell you which configurations are more successful with the current site, 
not reflect the wider audience that would like to use the site. I have 
seen server logs used to justify maintaining inaccessible design techniques.

Also, many UAs identify themselves as MSIE to get around sniffing 
techniques.

Also, a huge proportion of the site traffic will be search engines and 
other bots.

The server logs can be a really unreliable way to find out what people 
are using, never mind what people would *like* to use to access your 
site. As an example of this, some authors may not be aware that 
assistive technology such as screen readers don't show up in server logs 
at all.

I use this site to get a rough idea of what's going on in the general 
browser world:

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/

Cheers

Ian


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Re: [css-d] Browser Statistics

2006-01-28 Thread Bob Easton 
{tonyFelice} wrote:
 Does anyone know of a good resource for browser/platform statistics?
 
If you are trying to make a decision about which browsers to support, 
the *only* place you should be looking is your own site's logs. 
Determine what your actual audience uses, not some sample of an unknown 
audience.

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Re: [css-d] Browser Statistics

2006-01-28 Thread D Ross 
Google analytics is nice and free...I use it.
http://www.google.com/analytics/


On Jan 27, 2006, at 9:07 PM, {tonyFelice} wrote:

 Does anyone know of a good resource for browser/platform statistics?


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[css-d] Browser Statistics

2006-01-27 Thread {tonyFelice} 
Does anyone know of a good resource for browser/platform statistics?

 

I will need it to win a war against some backward thinking in design.
Senior Developer on team does not believe CSS support is widespread enough.
(!)  I can hold my own in conversation regarding which browsers support
what, but I would need some solid statistics to prove my thinking to the
decision makers.  

 

Anything helps.  I am familiar with the ever-popular w3schools stats, but
they don't cross-ref with platform, and are somewhat skewed.  WebSideStory
is blocked.

 

I am guessing that they look like this:

90% IE

9% FF

-1% other

 

96% PC

2% mac

2% *nix

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Re: [css-d] Browser Statistics

2006-01-27 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun 
{tonyFelice} wrote:
 Does anyone know of a good resource for browser/platform statistics?

http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm
...and more, through:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BrowserStats

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