Re: [css-d] Capitalize
Hi,
i am not too fussed about the title transforming because I can just
enter that manually as UC. However I dropped it in so that the
question had something to do with CSS.
From people's answers about the URL being UC it seems that it's just
a bad idea - so I'll just have to go normal.
Thanks for all the info.
CB
On 26/09/2010, at 4:56 AM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
david wrote:
I seem to recall that URLs are not case sensitive?
URLs are case-sensitive, but some parts of them, including the
server part, are defined to be case-insensitive. Whether people know
about this is a different matter. For usability, it is good policy
to announce your server name in lowercase.
If you write the server name in uppercase in a link href, for
example, it will get turned to lowercase by the browser. This is
outside the scope of CSS, as it's not about document rendering but
about the document's address.
Anyway, I don't think CSS can change case of the title tag
contents.
Did you try it?
Well _I_ tried...
The title element is something that you can assign CSS
declarations to. But their impact may vary. Normally the title
element is not displayed inside the document, which is where CSS
plays. But in CSS terms, its absence can be characterized as a
consequence of the default setting of display: none for head and
title. And these are something you can change, in principle at
least.
On Firefox and Opera, for example, the following CSS code makes the
title element content visible at the start of the document, in
uppercase:
head, title { display: block; }
title { text-transform: uppercase }
But you can't style a span of text there, because no inner elements
are allowed inside a title element (by the specifications or in
browser practice).
So it's not particularly useful, especially since it does not affect
the rendering of the title element content in the browser's top
bar - it's displayed by browser functions that are immune to CSS.
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Re: [css-d] Capitalize
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:07:58 +0100, Chris Blake ch...@3pointdesign.com wrote: Hi, i am not too fussed about the title transforming because I can just enter that manually as UC. However I dropped it in so that the question had something to do with CSS. From people's answers about the URL being UC it seems that it's just a bad idea - so I'll just have to go normal. Thanks for all the info. CB Off-Topic but for clarification RFC 4343 states that URL's are case-insensitive. Duncan __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Capitalize
On 9/25/10 8:17 AM, Chris Blake wrote: 2. And what I really want to know, sneaky, is can I make it so the my URL always appears in caps? I have emw8.com and I just think it looks stupid with the 8 sticking up, when really it's the part of the URL I don't like. I'd much prefer WWW.EMW8.COM. Is there anyway to control this, does it effect SEO at all? Thanks, CB Not to kick a dead horse but lowercase will look just fine and will be kind of neat-- mind the 8-ball [8 ball billiards]. Best, Minnesota Fats // -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Capitalize
Duncan Hill wrote: Off-Topic but for clarification RFC 4343 states that URL's are case-insensitive. I hate to be picky, but I really do not think that that can be the case. For a case-sensitive web server, the following two URLs are completely different : http://www.example.org/my-file http://www.example.org/My-File Similarly the next pair are different if the mail server is case-sensitive : mailto:a.n.other:example.org mailto:A.N.Other:example.org Whatever RFC 4343 says (and I've not read it), it must be referring to the host elements and the protocol (although the latter is always normalised to lower-case), and cannot include component of the path or filename, nor can it refer to the local part in a URL using the mailto:; method. Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Capitalize
Hi, Hopefully this is anew one for the list - kind of in two parts and the first being CSS based the second not so much :) 1. Can I use text-transform on the Title'this' to 'THIS'/title 2. And what I really want to know, sneaky, is can I make it so the my URL always appears in caps? I have emw8.com and I just think it looks stupid with the 8 sticking up, when really it's the part of the URL I don't like. I'd much prefer WWW.EMW8.COM. Is there anyway to control this, does it effect SEO at all? P.S. I need to be using sub-script and super-script a fair bit on this site, any warnings or words of wisdom about doing this? Thanks, CB P.S. I want to get this Google chrome speed tracer thing on my mac. I got that dmg fine, but the developers model of the browser, I can't seem to download it (might be the fact I am in China). Does anybody have a link to this file so I can set it up? The only other free resource I have for testing website speeds is http:// tools.pingdom.com/ but I don't think it's very accurate. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Capitalize
Chris Blake wrote: P.S. I need to be using sub-script and super-script a fair bit on this site, any warnings or words of wisdom about doing this? In my experience, sub- and superscripts only too easily destroy the regularity of the underlying text grid; in order to re-instate this regularity, I had to use the following : vertical-align: baseline; position: relative; bottom: some factorex; Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Capitalize
On 25/09/2010, at 9:13 PM, Kate wrote: It seems: Officially Google it doesn’t care about the case: http://www.searchenginejournal com/page-title-in-all-caps/10846/#ixzz10Xw5kOAI 52% thinks 'it makes the site stand out', I chose 'It is associated with spam ' and good lord, 82% think same as me. Kate http://jungaling.com/katecorner/ Hi, Hopefully this is anew one for the list - kind of in two parts and the First being CSS based the second not so much :) 1. Can I use text-transform on the Title'this' to 'THIS'/title 2. And what I really want to know, sneaky, is can I make it so the my URL always appears in caps? I have emw8.com and I just think it looks Stupid with the 8 sticking up, when really it's the part of the URL I Don't like. I'd much prefer WWW.EMW8.COM. Is there anyway to control This, does it effect SEO at all? So is there a way to block capitals in mail apps, or cloud apps? I wouldn't spam anyone - just newsletter to subscribers and customers that have already contacted me. For mail it could work lowercase anyway - it's more to do with standing out - the logo is very much in caps - with EMW being the same shape just rotated and the '8' in the background reinforcing this loop, unity idea. Branding is key and I don't want to use lowercase for the company name at all - and I thought that if the URL auto to caps that would be quite a new approach to brand consistency. I appreciate your advice, just needa bit more clarity. ty, cb __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Capitalize
Chris Blake wrote: On 25/09/2010, at 9:13 PM, Kate wrote: It seems: Officially Google it doesn’t care about the case: http://www.searchenginejournal com/page-title-in-all-caps/10846/#ixzz10Xw5kOAI 52% thinks 'it makes the site stand out', I chose 'It is associated with spam ' and good lord, 82% think same as me. Kate http://jungaling.com/katecorner/ Hi, Hopefully this is anew one for the list - kind of in two parts and the First being CSS based the second not so much :) 1. Can I use text-transform on the Title'this' to 'THIS'/title 2. And what I really want to know, sneaky, is can I make it so the my URL always appears in caps? I have emw8.com and I just think it looks Stupid with the 8 sticking up, when really it's the part of the URL I Don't like. I'd much prefer WWW.EMW8.COM. Is there anyway to control This, does it effect SEO at all? So is there a way to block capitals in mail apps, or cloud apps? I wouldn't spam anyone - just newsletter to subscribers and customers that have already contacted me. For mail it could work lowercase anyway - it's more to do with standing out - the logo is very much in caps - with EMW being the same shape just rotated and the '8' in the background reinforcing this loop, unity idea. Branding is key and I don't want to use lowercase for the company name at all - and I thought that if the URL auto to caps that would be quite a new approach to brand consistency. Well, I just tried going to a number of well-known sites (IBM, Apple, and your famous EMW8). I found the all uppercase URL annoying to type. Regardless of case that I typed in, it went to the same site. I seem to recall that URLs are not case sensitive? Or it might depend on browser and web server platform - IIRC, Windows IIS is case-sensitive, Apache on Linux is not. Anyway, I don't think CSS can change case of the title tag contents. Did you try it? Failing that, you could do it programatically in the backend, I suppose. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Capitalize
david wrote:
I seem to recall that URLs are not case sensitive?
URLs are case-sensitive, but some parts of them, including the server part,
are defined to be case-insensitive. Whether people know about this is a
different matter. For usability, it is good policy to announce your server
name in lowercase.
If you write the server name in uppercase in a link href, for example, it
will get turned to lowercase by the browser. This is outside the scope of
CSS, as it's not about document rendering but about the document's address.
Anyway, I don't think CSS can change case of the title tag contents.
Did you try it?
Well _I_ tried...
The title element is something that you can assign CSS declarations to.
But their impact may vary. Normally the title element is not displayed
inside the document, which is where CSS plays. But in CSS terms, its absence
can be characterized as a consequence of the default setting of display:
none for head and title. And these are something you can change, in
principle at least.
On Firefox and Opera, for example, the following CSS code makes the title
element content visible at the start of the document, in uppercase:
head, title { display: block; }
title { text-transform: uppercase }
But you can't style a span of text there, because no inner elements are
allowed inside a title element (by the specifications or in browser
practice).
So it's not particularly useful, especially since it does not affect the
rendering of the title element content in the browser's top bar - it's
displayed by browser functions that are immune to CSS.
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Re: [css-d] Capitalize is making capitals after Apostrophe. e.g. Neil's -Neil'S
On 1/21/07, ~davidLaakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christopher Blake wrote:
http://www.neilp.newwavemedia.co.uk/europe.html
http://www.neilp.newwavemedia.co.uk/stylefile/style1.css
The capitalize has been added to h1. I can turn it off and do the
capitals freestlye but was wondering if there was a simple solution
to this i.e. without using span for 1 letter!
Try:
h1{
/*text-transform: capitalize;*/ delete
text-transform: lowercase; add
}
And add this ruleset to you css:
h1:first-letter {
text-transform: uppercase;
}
Which would (in supporting browsers) capitalize the first letter of
the heading, but not the first letter of each word the way
text-transform:capitalize should.
By the way, which browsers exhibit the error? Looks fine in Opera
(unless you've changed the markup)
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Re: [css-d] Capitalize is making capitals after Apostrophe. e.g. Neil's -Neil'S
On Jan 24, 2007, at 3:44 AM, Richard Grevers wrote: http://www.neilp.newwavemedia.co.uk/europe.html http://www.neilp.newwavemedia.co.uk/stylefile/style1.css The capitalize has been added to h1. I can turn it off and do the capitals freestlye but was wondering if there was a simple solution to this i.e. without using span for 1 letter! ... Which would (in supporting browsers) capitalize the first letter of the heading, but not the first letter of each word the way text-transform:capitalize should. By the way, which browsers exhibit the error? Looks fine in Opera (unless you've changed the markup) Safari 2.0 is wrong. Capitalised 's' in Neil's Committees. It has been fixed in the WebKit nightly builds. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Capitalize is making capitals after Apostrophe. e.g. Neil's -Neil'S
http://www.neilp.newwavemedia.co.uk/europe.html http://www.neilp.newwavemedia.co.uk/stylefile/style1.css The capitalize has been added to h1. I can turn it off and do the capitals freestlye but was wondering if there was a simple solution to this i.e. without using span for 1 letter! Hello weekend workers! (isn't it fun!) Best wishes, Chris Christopher Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07816163420 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Capitalize is making capitals after Apostrophe. e.g. Neil's -Neil'S
Christopher Blake wrote:
http://www.neilp.newwavemedia.co.uk/europe.html
http://www.neilp.newwavemedia.co.uk/stylefile/style1.css
The capitalize has been added to h1. I can turn it off and do the
capitals freestlye but was wondering if there was a simple solution
to this i.e. without using span for 1 letter!
Hello weekend workers! (isn't it fun!)
No. Not really :-) .
Christopher Blake
Try:
h1{
/*text-transform: capitalize;*/ delete
text-transform: lowercase; add
}
And add this ruleset to you css:
h1:first-letter {
text-transform: uppercase;
}
Best,
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Re: [css-d] Capitalize is making capitals after Apostrophe. e.g. Neil's -Neil'S
~davidLaakso wrote:
Try:
h1{
/*text-transform: capitalize;*/ delete
text-transform: lowercase; add
}
And add this ruleset to you css:
h1:first-letter {
text-transform: uppercase;
I thought that first-letter doesn't work in Windows IE 5.x. Not sure
about MAC. Are folks still taking IE 5 issues into account when
designing? I've been working with drop caps, and have been hesitant to
use first-letter.
Vicki
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Re: [css-d] Capitalize is making capitals after Apostrophe. e.g. Neil's -Neil'S
I thought IE ignored all psuedo classes except :hover and that only works on anchors... Mike -Original Message- I thought that first-letter doesn't work in Windows IE 5.x. Not sure about MAC. Are folks still taking IE 5 issues into account when designing? I've been working with drop caps, and have been hesitant to use first-letter. Vicki __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
