Re: [css-d] Font sizing [was: Font-color issue]

2009-02-17 Thread Brian Funk
Ron Koster wrote:
 At 10:02 AM 2/13/2009 -0800, David Hucklesby wrote:
 I find that these percentages work best
 cross-browser: 69%, 75%, 82%, 94% ... with a base font-size of 100%.

 Firstly, from past threads, my understanding is that one shouldn't be 
 going any smaller than 100% -- or at least should try not to -- if 
 only to be in keeping with whatever it is that any particular user 
 has set their own settings at

The 100% is needed as a base to avoid problems in certain browsers - 
others can explain this in detail far better than I. With regard to 
respecting users settings it seems more important to create in a way 
that the text /can/ be scalable to let them do what they want with it - 
hopefully without breaking your page design. Some ways of sizing prevent 
this from being possible - or at least make it difficult or problematic.

As an avid typophile the following page may be interesting to you. 
http://www.webtypography.net/Harmony_and_Counterpoint/Size/3.1.1/

regards,
Brian

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Re: [css-d] Font sizing [was: Font-color issue]

2009-02-17 Thread Ron Koster
At 07:45 PM 2/17/2009 -0600, Brian Funk wrote:
The 100% is needed as a base to avoid problems in certain browsers - 
others can explain this in detail far better than I. With regard to 
respecting users settings it seems more important to create in a way 
that the text /can/ be scalable to let them do what they want with 
it - hopefully without breaking your page design. Some ways of 
sizing prevent this from being possible - or at least make it 
difficult or problematic.

Well, in that regard, I've been completely re-doing the CSS for my 
one of my sites (and, in doing so, that will have ultimately have 
implications across the board for all of my sites), and I've been 
trying to take the advice that I've gotten here and have set my base 
font size at 100%, with all my other font sizes done in percentages 
relative to that (I'm not using em or px anywhere at all, except for 
in the tiny copyright notice at the bottom of each page).

In that regard, the site you pointed out...

As an avid typophile the following page may be interesting to you. 
http://www.webtypography.net/Harmony_and_Counterpoint/Size/3.1.1/

...brings up exactly what part of my issue is! Firstly, thanks so 
much for pointing that out -- I'm amazed that I've never come across 
that site before, and I'll certainly enjoy spending some time there. :)

However, it's quite intriguing because Bringhurst's The Elements of 
Typographic Style -- upon which that site is based -- has largely 
influenced me (among other sources) with regard to typographic 
choices. More specifically, his discussion in that book about the 
Golden Section has had me adopt various font sizes (for headings, 
etc.) within any particular site by using proportions that fall 
within that theory/observation of his, and which have made for 
visually effective and aesthetically pleasing designs.

However, the font sizes/proportions/percentages that David mentioned earlier...

At 10:02 AM 2/13/2009 -0800, David Hucklesby wrote:
I find that these percentages work best
cross-browser: 69%, 75%, 82%, 94% ... with a base font-size of 100%.

...have nothing to do with the Golden Section, and to me would look 
*disproportional* (even if it somehow gets rid of that blur effect 
that was referred to earlier in the thread) and, well, basically 
that's why I'm wondering what it is that's going on if/when one uses 
other, different, in-between percentages. On my system (WinXP) 
everything looks fine, no matter what browser I'm viewing anything 
in, and no matter what percentage (or pixel size or whatever else) 
I'm using for my font sizes.

By the way, just to throw another question into the fray, is there 
anything wrong with using non-whole numbers (like 61.8, etc.) in 
one's font size percentages? For reference, the closest amounts (to 
one decimal place) to the percentages that David mentioned that would 
indeed be perfectly within the Golden Section would be: 61.8%, 76.4%, 
85.4% and 94.4%.  Those are the sorts of percentages that I'd *like* 
to use, if I could (without causing problems anywhere/anyhow).

Ron :) 

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