Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-17 Thread Steve Axthelm
On 2010-08-16 Sandy wrote:

Is there a CSS method to hide the current page link in a navigation
list?  ie: if you're on the widgets page, you don't get the See our
crazy widgets! link in the menu.
I'm responsible for looking after a static HTML  site that has  had
more and more pages added to it over the years, and changing the
navigation on each page is becoming a chore.
I know how to do includes, I'd just like to hide the current page link..

hi Val,

Try this bit of style, which I cribbed off
http://www.askthecssguy.com/2006/12/showing_hyperlink_cues_with_cs_1.html

it needs to go in the head of the page you are on, and use that 
page name for yourcurrentpage.html

style type=text/css
!--
#links a[href~=yourcurrentpage.html] {

Not sure if it's a factor for your users, but be aware that 
selector will not be recognized by ie6.

HTH,


-Steve

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[css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Val Dobson
Is there a CSS method to hide the current page link in a navigation
list?  ie: if you're on the widgets page, you don't get the See our
crazy widgets! link in the menu.
I'm responsible for looking after a static HTML  site that has  had
more and more pages added to it over the years, and changing the
navigation on each page is becoming a chore.
I know how to do includes, I'd just like to hide the current page link..

Val

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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Val Dobson wrote:

 Is there a CSS method to hide the current page link in a navigation
 list?  ie: if you're on the widgets page, you don't get the See our
 crazy widgets! link in the menu.

You can do this only if you have some way of distinguishing the current page 
link from other elements in terms of CSS. This normally means it needs to 
have a suitable class (or id) attribute. CSS does not know anything about 
a link pointing to the page itself.

In theory you could use attribute selectors that select elements e.g. on the 
basis of the href attribute value. But there's no way in CSS to couple this 
with the idea of the URL of the page itself.

 I'm responsible for looking after a static HTML  site that has  had
 more and more pages added to it over the years, and changing the
 navigation on each page is becoming a chore.
 I know how to do includes, I'd just like to hide the current page
 link..

Simple server-side includes won't help. You would need to generate the 
navigational elements in a manner that uses some distinguishing markup for 
the current page link. You might ask why not then remove that link instead 
of hiding it from the visual appearance, and that's a good question.

If you cannot use any more advanced server-side techniques, then probably 
the best shot is to add a piece of JavaScript that traverses the links on 
the page and hides any link pointing to the page itself. Here, too, one 
might ask why not remove the link from the document tree instead of just 
hiding it via CSS.

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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Chris Blake
Hi,

 CSS does not know anything about
 a link pointing to the page itself.


What about a:active and/or a:current?
I'm uncertain but a:hover works in style sheets without having to add  
an ID or class of 'hover' to the links so maybe it's the same with the  
former two.
Then perhaps} display: none;

Sorry if it's a bad guess.

br, cb



On 17/08/2010, at 3:01 AM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

 Val Dobson wrote:

 Is there a CSS method to hide the current page link in a navigation
 list?  ie: if you're on the widgets page, you don't get the See  
 our
 crazy widgets! link in the menu.

 You can do this only if you have some way of distinguishing the  
 current page
 link from other elements in terms of CSS. This normally means it  
 needs to
 have a suitable class (or id) attribute. CSS does not know  
 anything about
 a link pointing to the page itself.

 In theory you could use attribute selectors that select elements  
 e.g. on the
 basis of the href attribute value. But there's no way in CSS to  
 couple this
 with the idea of the URL of the page itself.

 I'm responsible for looking after a static HTML  site that has  had
 more and more pages added to it over the years, and changing the
 navigation on each page is becoming a chore.
 I know how to do includes, I'd just like to hide the current page
 link..

 Simple server-side includes won't help. You would need to generate the
 navigational elements in a manner that uses some distinguishing  
 markup for
 the current page link. You might ask why not then remove that link  
 instead
 of hiding it from the visual appearance, and that's a good question.

 If you cannot use any more advanced server-side techniques, then  
 probably
 the best shot is to add a piece of JavaScript that traverses the  
 links on
 the page and hides any link pointing to the page itself. Here, too,  
 one
 might ask why not remove the link from the document tree instead of  
 just
 hiding it via CSS.

 -- 
 Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Val Dobson
On 16 August 2010 20:01, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote:

 If you cannot use any more advanced server-side techniques, then probably
 the best shot is to add a piece of JavaScript that traverses the links on
 the page and hides any link pointing to the page itself. Here, too, one
 might ask why not remove the link from the document tree instead of just
 hiding it via CSS.

+
Thanks for that.
 I suspected I'd have to use something like Javascript, but had hoped
there might be an elegant CSS solution.
Yes, I could include the navigation on every page and remove the
current  document link from every page manually - I already do that,
and it's becoming a pain.


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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Sandy

  Is there a CSS method to hide the current page link in a navigation
  list?  ie: if you're on the widgets page, you don't get the See our
  crazy widgets! link in the menu.
  I'm responsible for looking after a static HTML  site that has  had
  more and more pages added to it over the years, and changing the
  navigation on each page is becoming a chore.
  I know how to do includes, I'd just like to hide the current page link..

hi Val,

Try this bit of style, which I cribbed off
http://www.askthecssguy.com/2006/12/showing_hyperlink_cues_with_cs_1.html

it needs to go in the head of the page you are on, and use that page 
name for yourcurrentpage.html

style type=text/css
!--
#links a[href~=yourcurrentpage.html] {
position : absolute;
top : -1000px;
width:1px;
height:1px;
overflow:hidden;
}
--
/style

good luck!
Sandy



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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Sandy wrote:

 #links a[href~=yourcurrentpage.html] {

This means that you would need a different style sheet, with a different URL 
there, for each and every page. I don't see how this could be any easier or 
otherwise better than simply having, say,

a href=... class=current.../a

for each current-page link or, better still (for current-page links in 
navigation)

a class=current.../a

so that the current-page link ain't no link but can be styled along with 
other a elements but so that it does not look like a link but like a here 
you are now designator.

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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Chris Blake wrote:

 What about a:active and/or a:current?

The latter is a mere proposal, though an interesting one. You might find 
experimental implementations, but hardly anything useful in practice now or 
in the near future.

The :active pseudo-class is an old invention (in the www timescale) but with 
vague definition in CSS recommendations and drafts and inconsistent 
interpretation in browsers. Most importantly, it relates to the _state_ of 
the link, as active in some dynamic sense (e.g., the user just clicked on 
it), not to its role on the page or its URL.

 I'm uncertain but a:hover works in style sheets without having to add
 an ID or class of 'hover' to the links so maybe it's the same with the
 former two.

The :hover pseudo-class is a different beast, and it is indeed fairly well 
supported, especially for links. Its meaning is different, and it would 
actually be impossible to replace the use of :hover with a class, since it 
is a dynamic pseudo-class, related to the state of an element (of being 
hovered) - something you cannot do with classes, since if an element has a 
class (as opposite to a pseudo-class), it has the class in all states of the 
element.

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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Sandy

 Sandy wrote:
 
 #links a[href~=yourcurrentpage.html] {
 
 This means that you would need a different style sheet, with a different URL 
 there, for each and every page. I don't see how this could be any easier or 
 otherwise better than simply having, say,
 
 a href=... class=current.../a
 
 for each current-page link or, better still (for current-page links in 
 navigation)
 
 a class=current.../a
 
 so that the current-page link ain't no link but can be styled along with 
 other a elements but so that it does not look like a link but like a here 
 you are now designator.
 

Not a whole different style sheet, just that little bit in the head of 
each page. I think it's actually about the same amount of work as adding 
class=current to the current page on an html page.

The advantage of this approach is if you are using includes - the menu 
can be included and the current page addressed on that page.

Sandy
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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Val Dobson
On 16 August 2010 21:00, Sandy sfeld...@sympatico.ca wrote:


 Not a whole different style sheet, just that little bit in the head of
 each page. I think it's actually about the same amount of work as adding
 class=current to the current page on an html page.

 The advantage of this approach is if you are using includes - the menu
 can be included and the current page addressed on that page.

 Sandy

That sounds like the best idea so far.  Thank you.

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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Sandy

 Not a whole different style sheet, just that little bit in the head of
 each page. I think it's actually about the same amount of work as adding
 class=current to the current page on an html page.

 The advantage of this approach is if you are using includes - the menu
 can be included and the current page addressed on that page.

 Sandy
 
 That sounds like the best idea so far.  Thank you.

you are very welcome Val.

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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread David Hucklesby
On 8/16/10 11:44 AM, Val Dobson wrote:
 Is there a CSS method to hide the current page link in a navigation
 list?  ie: if you're on the widgets page, you don't get the See
 our crazy widgets! link in the menu. I'm responsible for looking
 after a static HTML  site that has  had more and more pages added to
 it over the years, and changing the navigation on each page is
 becoming a chore. I know how to do includes, I'd just like to hide
 the current page link..

Without adding a class to each BODY or HTML element to identify the
page, I don't know of any CSS solution. But you mention includes (I
assume SSI) so you may be interested in a demo I made for a student that
highlights current page links-- I'm sure you can adapt it. For more
about SSI includes, visit the link that's in the index page write-up:

http://webwiz.robinshosting.com/temp/jaime/

Hope it helps.

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
David Hucklesby wrote:

 Without adding a class to each BODY or HTML element to identify the
 page, I don't know of any CSS solution.

How would such class attributes help the least (in this issue)? They cannot 
be used to distinguish between different links on the page.

 But you mention includes (I
 assume SSI) so you may be interested in a demo I made for a student
 that highlights current page links

Actually, it does not highlight them - apparently your SSI code, which is 
not directly visible to us, _prevents_ current-page links in menus, which is 
actually a better idea than hiding them. But this question was apparently 
about other than normal navigation, namely about a repeated list of links, 
where one would like to hide the current-page link.

As previously mentioned, it is better to remove such links than to hide 
them, but the techniques used for that are not a CSS ssue-

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Re: [css-d] Hide current page link

2010-08-16 Thread Duncan Hill
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:44:51 +0100, Val Dobson valdob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a CSS method to hide the current page link in a navigation
 list?  ie: if you're on the widgets page, you don't get the See our
 crazy widgets! link in the menu.
 I'm responsible for looking after a static HTML  site that has  had
 more and more pages added to it over the years, and changing the
 navigation on each page is becoming a chore.
 I know how to do includes, I'd just like to hide the current page link..

 Val

A very similar topic was discussed earlier this month, if you check the  
archives for the thread referring to navigation link a different colour  
when page is active, you might find something to help you.

My own example on that thread is still visible and it works using includes.
http://redlemonarts.com/_dev/textbeast/index.html

Duncan
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