Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:27:20 +0200 Manfred Staudinger wrote: On 15/04/2008, Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use this syntax to target all NON-MSIE browsers: !--[if !IE] -- style type=text/css@import url(css/fix/non_msie.css);/style !-- ![endif]-- Thats definitely an unnecessary hack. The correct (although proprietary) syntax would be: !--[if IE]![if !IE]![endif]-- style type=text/css css here /style !--[if IE]![endif]![endif]-- I find these both particularly ugly and use the '@import hack' instead. Just a normal line in the HTML and the real hack in the CSS code itself. After all it is the presentation, design or functionality that is the issue, *not the content*. This is all i have in the (X)HTML link rel=stylesheet href=master.css type=text/css / But heres the CSS master file /* ** master.css ** */ @import url(layout.css); @import url(colour.css); @import url(fonts.css); @import url(.css) all; /* */ That's it; the trick is in that final line. IE loads a file called url(.css) all and all other browsers load a file called .css. It relies on a bug in IE. I usually have very few hacks in the .css file compared to the url(.css) all file. I first read about this hack here: http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/10/ie-import-hack A full range of @import hacks and browsers affected are here: http://imfo.ru/csstest/css_hacks/import.php But my requirements are not that specific. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
David Laakso wrote:
You have height:1%; on the below selector. You may (?) want to feed
that only to IE/6, as compliant browsers might do better without it at
+2 font-scaling.
.p5 {
height: 1%;
}
I have a restructuredtext generated site that now looks as intended in firefox,
but not in the IE
that is installed with Win2K. IE seems to ignore the css positioning of a list
and an image hyperlink.
http://ecosensory.com/
John Griessen
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Ecosensory Austin TX
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Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
I have a restructuredtext generated site that now looks as intended in firefox, but not in the IE that is installed with Win2K. IE seems to ignore the css positioning of a list and an image hyperlink. http://ecosensory.com/ Hi John, You can use this syntax to target all NON-MSIE browsers: !--[if !IE] -- style type=text/css@import url(css/fix/non_msie.css);/style !-- ![endif]-- Use this syntax to target ALL MSIE browsers: !--[if IE] style type=text/css@import url(css/fix/all_msie.css);/style ![endif]-- And this will target specific versions of MSIE browsers: !--[if IE 6] style type=text/css@import url(css/fix/msie_6_0.css);/style ![endif]-- !--[if IE 7] style type=text/css@import url(css/fix/msie_7_0.css);/style ![endif]-- CSS in the last three will not be seen by the validator, the first one will (the non-msie syntax). This is important if you care about validation. Additionally, this sort of technique has advocates and opponents. It uses two semi-frowned-upon approaches: 1. Proprietary syntax. 2. Browser sniffing. I use it because it also one of the most failsafe methods for targeting the two type of browsers: Nice, standards-compliant, user and developer friendly browsers...and anything made my Microsoft. Hope it helps. --Bill Brown TheHolierGrail.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
On 15/04/2008, John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manfred Staudinger wrote: Hi John, If you want to select IE6 and IE7, but not IE8 nor IE5.5 or IE5.01 then you might use !--[if lte IE 7]![if gte IE 6] style type=text/css css here /style ![endif]![endif]-- Thanks, very helpful. Looks like you just put this in line with your stds compliant css and the css here lines are fed to the version of IE you selected, right? Yes. Manfred __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
On 15/04/2008, Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use this syntax to target all NON-MSIE browsers: !--[if !IE] -- style type=text/css@import url(css/fix/non_msie.css);/style !-- ![endif]-- Thats definitely an unnecessary hack. The correct (although proprietary) syntax would be: !--[if IE]![if !IE]![endif]-- style type=text/css css here /style !--[if IE]![endif]![endif]-- Regards, Manfred __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] discuss.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brown Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:27 PM To: Manfred Staudinger Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org; John Griessen Subject: Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers? Manfred Staudinger wrote: On 15/04/2008, Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use this syntax to target all NON-MSIE browsers: !--[if !IE] -- style type=text/css@import url(css/fix/non_msie.css);/style !-- ![endif]-- Thats definitely an unnecessary hack. The correct (although proprietary) syntax would be: !--[if IE]![if !IE]![endif]-- style type=text/css css here /style !--[if IE]![endif]![endif]-- Regards, Manfred Manfred, I could not more *strongly* disagree with you, and I'm not sure why you are calling my syntax incorrect or unnecessary either. If they both do the same thing, mine not only appears (to me, at least) to be more elegant, but is shorter and more understandable. By comparison: Mine: !--[if !IE] -- ... anything at all, including css here !-- ![endif]-- and yours: !--[if IE]![if !IE]![endif]-- ... anything at all, including css here !--[if IE]![endif]![endif]-- What about a simple: !--[if !IE] ... anything at all, including css here ![endif]-- Or am I totally missing something here? Could be me ;) -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
On Wednesday 16 April 2008 12:58 am Thierry Koblentz wrote: What about a simple: !--[if !IE] ... anything at all, including css here ![endif]-- Or am I totally missing something here? Could be me ;) But then every browser would ignore it, which is presumably not what you want. Nicholas __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
On Wednesday 16 April 2008 1:09 am John Griessen wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: What about a simple: !--[if !IE] ... anything at all, including css here ![endif]-- This short one looks good... As I understand this, it goes in default.css, so what else besides css code would you want to put here? John Griessen css newbie building his own selling web site. !-- -- style comments go in the HTML file, not the css file. You can put a link rel=stylesheet ... (/) in there if you need, but only IE supports these type of conditional comments, so you need to use [if IE]. Here is how you would build up the logic of the expression: We have to start with: !--[if IE] Now IE thinks we are not in a comment, and the rest do. !--[if IE]!-- Now IE has started a comment, and ! is ignored by the rest, so they now think they are not in a comment. You mirror this with the closing tag: !--[if IE]!-- ...seen by everything except IE... !--![endif]-- Nicholas __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How do you feed IE versions different css than w3c compliant browsers?
1/ Regarding Conditional Comments, see: Microsoft Developer Network http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512(VS.85).aspx 2/ Regarding using Conditional Comments to feed hacks to IE, see: On havingLayout (scroll down a little to: Alternatively, and possibly more future proof, are conditional comments:) http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html#hacks __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
